Subcool's Super Soil

subcool said:

I get 4 off Tiny and 5 off Apollo-13 and jacks Cleaner can go 8 zipps easy



Sub

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Sounds fantastic. Are you still @ 4 plants under a 1000W?

For those yields, and veg height, you must be finishing between 3-5 feet? Or do you always, always LST?

i'm having the hardest time getting the last bit of ingredients together for the super soil mix. i have visited 3 different places now and can't take the frustration anymore lol. humic acid, epson salt, azomite, and rock phosphate is all i have left to get. does anyone know of a website that i can just get this stuff from? seems that places only carry 1 or 2 of the ingredients and then sends me somewhere else. man it's just getting under my skin so much...hell i had to special order the damn RO soil at 20 dollars a bag. totally got bent over and Fu***d on the price. any help is appreciated , and can't wait to start mixing.

Rock Phosphate is easily obtained through any garden store or nursery, please keep looking. Epsom salts are just as easily found in the Bath aisle at any pharmacy. Walgreen's will have some for sure. Azomite is a little trickier, but can be purchased at: http://www.wheatgrasskits.com

And lastly, the most difficult to source is Humic Acid Powder. Check out this seller:http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170349631477&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

hey sub how do you top dress? do you remove soil from the top and replace, transplant or what? Thank you for all of the valuable info. I'm in the process of reading all of your threads and plan on buying your book. Thanks again!

ok i'll give the sources a shot. thanks...

subcool said:

I have no Idea of NPK ratios I mix up the soil and use it and see what happens.

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I have moved away from the NPK regime. Only using base soil and SS. This is so sweet - I cant thank you enough for doing all of this Subcool.

Just a tip for northern European growers. Azimot can be replaced by Algomin. Its produced by a swedish company.

"ALGOMIN CONTAINS EVERYTHING
YOUR PLANTS AND SOIL NEED

Algomin® helps plants absorb nutrients in the soil, raises its pH value, encourages worms to thrive and improves their root systems.
Algomin® Ekogödsel (Eco-Fertilizer) or Algomin® Trädgårdsgödsel (Garden Fertilizer) gives your garden a great start.

• It's a natural product.
• It maintains lime levels as you fertilize. Raises the pH value, which prevents acidification. 85% of growth problems with plants are a result of acidification of the soil.
• Calcium in Algomin® is highly soluble, and contains 2-3 times more free calcium ions then ordinary lime. These release the nutrients in the soil for plants’ root hairs.
• It acts rapidly, and at the same time provides continuous fertilizing and lime application over a long period.
• Stimulates the microorganisms that transport nutrients.
• Stimulates root growth.
• Enhances the soil structure; humus builds up.
• Increases the access of earthworms that help loosen up the soil and digest organic materials.
• Enhances the absorption of nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium.
• Adds micro-nutrients in an organic form that is natural and easily accessible for plants.
• Counteracts the precipitation of heavy metals.
• Can be spread in the proximity of people and animals.

"


There are 3 different packages. One that can be used in veg, one for flower and even one you can use in your base soil.


Check out their site and read up on their product declaration. You can buy this in any garden shop all over Scandinavia and it does not cost much!



Arda

Edit: Forgot the link http://www.algomin.se/Default.aspx?alias=www.algomin.se/eng
Direct product links:
Algomin Eco-Fertiliser (pdf)
Algomin Garden Fertilizer (pdf)
Algomin Grass Fertilizer (pdf)
Algomin Professional Green (pdf)

Mendojuana said:

I had the same question as MikeFresh,so you are saying this soil will not work well outdoors?

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I know this is an older post but I wanted to comment and vouch for this soil mix for outdoor use.I use subcools soil mix outdoors and it works excellent. I dig a hole thats equal to a 5-7 gal bucket and act as if it was a bucket and follow his directions, sometimes I use a buckets also and paint them camo colors.

As far as the ants go, I always leave a few inches space at the top and add a thin layer of sand and finish off with the native soil I dug out. I broadcast the remaining soil with my shovel.

I can attest that this soil mixture works best in any situation that Ive tried. Another big plus is I dont have to go back and feed..EVER,

i have had ants in soil and hempy grows before i did nothing to kill them i noticed no negatives with there presence and figure they kill some undesirables here and there. there mostly carnivorous depending on species i dont think they eat plant roots or foliage.

Hey Sub what kind of yields do you normally get off of JTR when you veg. for 60 days using this soil mix?
Oh yeah I love the stuff your doing and I have bought lots of your beans can't wait to try out the JTR and Deep Purple but i have another question not pertaining to the soil.
Do you or any of the seed banks that sell your beans sell them in bulk pack of like 50 or 100?

Do you veg at all after the transplant into the 7gal with SuperSoil or do you go straight to bloom light cycle?


Any experience growing Purple or OG Kush in super soil? If so, what percentage of super soil would you suggest using?

Does the use of co2 mandate a more liberal amount of super soil in the container?


Thanks a ton! Just ordered EVERYTHING that youre using copying your instructions to a "t", cant wait for some dank!

also, I ordered this rock phosphate as it was one of the only ones I could find. It says "soft" rock phosphate and also says that it is faster acting than the normal "hard" rock phosphate.

http://www.groworganic.com/item_F2101_Calphos_Soft_Rock_Phosphate__Reg.html

Will this cause me any issues or is this one cool to use?

Thanks!

Been using my own "super" soil recipe that this close to this for some time now. Your's seems like it has a lot less stuff in it than mine, so I may try yours out. Does it matter with either RO water or could you just use city tap (high TDS)? Because I usually add more dolomite lime to mine since I have been using RO water, with granular slow release dolomite as well, so they can get slow release CalMag too.

have any of you guys used super soil with c02 enrichment? Would the increased metabolism require more SS?

i just transplanted some plants into their final 7 gal pots. i was unsure how much supersoil to use as i haven't been able to find a real clear answer.

i'm running a variety of strains. some of my light feeders are in 15% supersoil while some of the heavier feeders are in 35% supersoil. after doing some more research on it, i think i may have gone a little too light on the supersoil.

can i just topdress some supersoil down the road and be fine? i was thinking of doing a light topdress in the first week of flower and a heaver one around day 30.

how will i be able to tell when the plants are hungry again?

I would top dress around day 30 and you should have no problems

as long as the plants stay happy and green if you see the plant starting to fade a slight yellow you have to anticipate this and feed em lightly but it super soil with 30% in bottom its rare a plant needs anything if it runs out add more super soil for next run. I know what each of my strains wants by now as far as amounts cheese wants almost zero super soil and space queen wants almost 60%

Does anyone have any thoughts/experience on using charcoal as a soil amendment Terra preta style?

cheers
-g

true that cheese is so so easy to overfert screwed one up bad once.

Sub-

Maybe you missed my previous questions...

Are you still @ 4 plants under a 1000W?

Finishing height between 3-5 feet?

Or do you always, always LST?

Lastly, what's the status on the Deep Purple (I've heard a delayed ETA of a couple of months) ?

Andy Botwin said:

Sub-

Maybe you missed my previous questions...

Are you still @ 4 plants under a 1000W?

Finishing height between 3-5 feet?

Or do you always, always LST?

Lastly, what's the status on the Deep Purple (I've heard a delayed ETA of a couple of months) ?

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I still run 4 under a 1k and its more like 4-5 these days

Deep Purple was distributed and pretty much sold out but were making more now.


Sub

I'm waiting on 2 of your strains from attitude seeds, Jack the Ripper and Jilly Bean. I plan on using your supersoil formula in 10 gal pots in my greenhouse next season. I'll spend this winter indoors choosing my mothers(hopefully at least 2 pheno's of both strains), I'll take clones in Feb and eventually transplant them into the 10 gal pots for about a 4 month veg period before they flower next July. I've spent hours reading your posts on different sites and must admit you have become an idol to me, was just hoping you could recommend the ratio's at which to use the supersoil for JTR and Jilly Bean(i.e 50% etc)... maybe even some characteristics to look for when choosing which Jilly pheno's to grow.. I already read up on JTR. Many thanks and much respect -Greenhouser