SuperSoil vs Organic Bottled Nutes

genuity

genuity

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Yodaweed said:
Sorry to tell you, bottled nutrients aren't organic :( neither is fox farm soil. Stop pretending to be an organic farmer you are just a synthetic soil farmer, don't be ashamed but don't claim to be organic because you are not, your plants look awesome no doubt, but its not organic.
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You are a sad guy.....did I say they was 100% organic?
 
Joe Blows Trees

Joe Blows Trees

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Is it worth buying 10 beans for $300? I got 10 grape krush by DJ Short for $175 and I'm upset with myself moreso for buying into the name. I hope his gear is worth it.

I'm seeing there is a difference between organic and TLO. I'm going TLO and focusing on the soil web! Looking into nematodes, thanks to this thread, and lacewings for my vegetable garden. Got three totes of soil cooking for a little over a month now and I'm so glad I got the worms. Each tote has a handful of worms and there's a main bin and all of the soil in the totes is becoming so black and rich with nutrients for plants. Someone said none of us are growing organically. That may be true, but I believe the closer I can get to recreating mother earth's natural soil food web, the healthier all my plants will be and more nutritional value for me and top quality medicine! :bigjoint::weed:
 
Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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genuity said:
You are a sad guy.....did I say they was 100% organic?
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If you say organic it means 100% organic, not half organic, any amount of synthetics in your grow = you are not an organic grower, and that includes fake organic bottled nutrients and fox farm dirt that has sewer sludge in it.
 
Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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Joe Blows Trees said:
Is it worth buying 10 beans for $300? I got 10 grape krush by DJ Short for $175 and I'm upset with myself moreso for buying into the name. I hope his gear is worth it.

I'm seeing there is a difference between organic and TLO. I'm going TLO and focusing on the soil web! Looking into nematodes, thanks to this thread, and lacewings for my vegetable garden. Got three totes of soil cooking for a little over a month now and I'm so glad I got the worms. Each tote has a handful of worms and there's a main bin and all of the soil in the totes is becoming so black and rich with nutrients for plants. Someone said none of us are growing organically. That may be true, but I believe the closer I can get to recreating mother earth's natural soil food web, the healthier all my plants will be and more nutritional value for me and top quality medicine! :bigjoint::weed:
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What's TLO? Sorry i'm not hip enough to know all these abbreviations.
 
unwine99

unwine99

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Joe Blows Trees said:
Is it worth buying 10 beans for $300? I got 10 grape krush by DJ Short for $175 and I'm upset with myself moreso for buying into the name. I hope his gear is worth it.

I'm seeing there is a difference between organic and TLO. I'm going TLO and focusing on the soil web! Looking into nematodes, thanks to this thread, and lacewings for my vegetable garden. Got three totes of soil cooking for a little over a month now and I'm so glad I got the worms. Each tote has a handful of worms and there's a main bin and all of the soil in the totes is becoming so black and rich with nutrients for plants. Someone said none of us are growing organically. That may be true, but I believe the closer I can get to recreating mother earth's natural soil food web, the healthier all my plants will be and more nutritional value for me and top quality medicine! :bigjoint::weed:
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You won't regret the nematodes. When I first started mixing my own soil I got a nasty fungus gnat outbreak. I filled up an ass wad of sticky traps; I tried the mosquito bits; the little fuckers were flying around my house and getting into my drains -- it sucked balls. I finally ordered some nematodes and they were all gone inside of two weeks. I never had to retreat either. Quite a few commercial greenhouses around here swear by them as well -- nematodes are the shit. They take care of quite a few other pests too from what I read.
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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Beemo said:
WOW your a perfect example of a TROLL...:clap:
go see why i posted a link of a bottle that's omri listed...
yodaweed going up and down organic threads saying omri true organics... everything else is NOT organic....
LOL... my opinion has ALWAYS been the same about OMRI...



umm who started the name calling??? dim wit? nothing but hypocrites..
its ok if you do it... LOL
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I don't normally name call. I lost my composure. It happens. I don't troll either.

I made a statement that you agree with. I tried to tell you that. I made that statement based just on this thread. I told you that I read that you agreed after I quoted you.


I don't have a dog in this fight anyways.

I am organic. That's for my cannabis and vegetable garden. I went no till for my veggie garden. I have a compost pile, worm bins and we use manure from our livestock.

I am organic but I'm not the preachy type of organic. I do what I do because I want to be self sufficient. I also prefer organic over synthetic.

I spend time in the grow sections. I will still help if someone is using synthetics. I have even recommended synthetic products.
 
Beemo

Beemo

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Yodaweed said:
I said I knew fox farm and bottled nutrients aren't organic.
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umm,, yes they are.....
what happend to sewer sludge and omri... your bs is starting to grow.....:dunce:

Yodaweed said:
They not gonna admit unless you ask the right question, ask where they get their urea and what its made from/how its made.
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urea is only in their synthetic products...

please stop with your advice's...
 
hyroot

hyroot

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Beemo said:
just called FOX FARM...
http://www.foxfarmfertilizer.com/index.php/frontpage/contact-us.html

there is NO SEWER SLUDGE in any of there products... PERIOD...

why arent you talking about OMRI anymore???
what other b.s. are you going to spew out next?
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Fox farm soil does have synthetic urea though. So not organic.

Edit ( just saw you said that ^^^)


Branded Products Containing Sewage Sludge aka bio solids

All-Gro (Synagro)
Granulite (Synagro)
Chesapeake Sunshine
PEarthMate (Philadelphia, PA)
Nutri-Green (Virginia Beach, VA)
MetroGro (Madison, WI)
ORGRO (Baltimore, MD, Veolia Water North America)
Bay State Fertilizer (Boston, MA)GroCo (Seattle, WA)
SilviGrow (Seattle, WA)
Oceangro (NJ)
TAGRO (Tacoma, WA)
SoundGro (Pierce County, WA)Milorganite (Milwaukee, WI)
WeCare Compost (NY)
CompostT (Pennsylvania)
EKO Compost (Missoula, Maui, Lewiston plant on Idaho-Wahington border)
Dillo Dirt (Austin, TX)
Glacier Gold (Olney, MT)
EarthBlends (New York City, a product of Synagro, sold by WeCare)
Agresoil (MA)
Earthlife (New England, a product of New England Organics)
TOPGRO (Los Angeles, CA)
N-Viro Soil
N-Viro BioBlend
Landscapers' Advantage (Camden, NJ)
Hou-Actinite (Houston, TX)
ComPro (Washington, D.C.)
Mine Mix (Philadelphia, PA)
Kellogg Nitrohumus,
Gromulch,
Amend and Topper (Kellogg Garden Products, Los Angeles, CA)
Growers' Blend by Earthwise Organics (a Synagro subsidiary)
Unity Fertilizer (Unity Envirotech LLC, Florida-baded)
Miracle-Gro Organic Choice Garden Soil (Scott's Miracle-Gro Company says,
"Some of the most common organic plant foods are bone meal, cottonseed meal, blood meal, fish emulsion, activated sewage and manures.")
PocoNite (Sumter, SC)
 
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2ANONYMOUS

2ANONYMOUS

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Yodaweed said:
If you say organic it means 100% organic, not half organic, any amount of synthetics in your grow = you are not an organic grower, and that includes fake organic bottled nutrients and fox farm dirt that has sewer sludge in it.
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OMG no wonder new growers tend to get confused first off the way you are talking then perhaps your truly not growing organically ,
Lets face it if you think your truly growing organic in your closet ask your self sure i may have microbes in my soil SHIT you got microbes under your fingernails lol
Where are the animals , insects that are also the big game players in true 100 percent organic growing
so in reality what your talking is a moot point all indoor organic made soils are man made nothing natural or 100 percent organic about that
your compost bin if you have it is not natural again its man made
where does it end
People got to stop spewing non sense a plant does not know the difference between organic nutes or Chemical nutes
and contrary to popular belief there is no difference between either grown properly Again another myth run wild
Simple really
organic bottled nutes is the same god dam thing as a tea
And remember the most important thing about organic nutes >>>???? is there is no such thing its called amendments when you add it into your soil
as for bottled nutes its greens some thing made from a living organisma just like compost tea ...
Be it potato peels ground up and mixed into water screened with high N plant species screened and put into a bottle

I sense with all the tree huggers and think green everyone is trying to claim organic is only way to go
Remember its just one way to grow
Myself been playing with notill indoor and although its organic remember its not 100 percent cause i got no insects , animals etc which is a important factor

People have to realize organics is best grown out door for indoor its all about speed efficiency and YIELD Cause its costs you for power right
my no till indoor is experiments is really for my out door greenhouse grows which are not run @ -40 below in winter

its really amusing when people growing weed think there the best organic growers in the land lol and scouring the net it appears most organic grown indoor journals plants are actually hurting hence why people are chasing there plants by playing the game feed the microbes when in fact there making teas in hopes for corrections
Check out video that is what its all about specally growing indoor
https://shop.greenhouseseeds.nl/train-wreck-grow-video.html

growing purple train wreck and BB this year 100 percent out door organic grown with all the insects and animals that complete the cycle we can not pick n choose and say this is organic grown BS
That is the problem with organics to many ways and variables
 

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2ANONYMOUS

2ANONYMOUS

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There is much confusion and contention around the issue of organic vs. inorganic minerals and the efficacious application of one over the other. There is a lot of information and there are a lot of opinions circulating as to the best sources of dietary minerals, pitting plant sourced (organic) against rock sourced (inorganic). Since opinions run the gamut, and depending what you read, you will get conflicting information.

You will read some opinions that emphatically state that not only are rock sourced minerals not usable by the body, but are downright dangerous. Given the discrepancies and the confusion these opinions engender, it is imperative to interject some logic into this debate about what form of mineral is emphatically best for your body.

Of critical importance in this organic versus inorganic debate is to understand what organic means in this context. When addressing organic as a mineral description, it means that the element in question is bonded to a carbon atom, which is another inorganic element. Because all living creatures are carbon based, being bonded to a carbon atom theoretically makes any element more bioavailable and usable by a living organism. Without any research to prove this however, it remains conjecture. Furthermore, if it is a true statement then drinking mineral water in nature would be of no benefit to an animal or human. We know this is not true. In nature, our mineral sources have always been water based (we are 70% water) either from the foods we eat or the water we drink. When minerals come from water, they are inorganic. When one ingests sea salt for the mineral content they are utilizing inorganic forms of the minerals that have been recognized as beneficial to human health.

Some say we can only utilize mineral elements if we get them from food (organic) yet others believe ground up rock (pill/capsule form-inorganic) will supply our mineral needs. Others are proponents of liquid sources in an ionic form such as one would obtain from natural mineral water or sea water or a good ionic supplemental formula. In a perfect world there would be no need for supplementation at all.

Today, due to pollution, you take great risks drinking from a mineral stream and sea water at this point in time is problematic. Additionally, most foods grown today are quite deficient in what science has measured as normal mineral content, primarily due to poor farming practices and inadequate soil replenishment, natural erosion, pesticides and chemical fertilizers that create imbalances. Much of the food consumed today is excessively processed to the point of having little or no mineral nutrient content.

Realistically, it makes no difference where you get your minerals. The most important factor is the size and the form they are in. Minerals are most effectively delivered in a water base fully ionized (in their atomic state) as in nature. A plant takes the inorganic minerals from the soil where it is growing. It then synthesizes them into a molecular size and form by uptake through the root where the minerals are combined with water and pushed through the entire plant. A mineral stream that is saturated with inorganic molecules of minerals derived from rocks processes them into ionic form by forces of nature but they remain inorganic. An ionic liquid supplement derived from the elemental mineral is essentially the same process but processed by man. Once ingested, one’s body knows intuitively what mineral is available and exactly what to do with it regardless of its source. Again, the important thing to remember is that it does not matter if you consume minerals from plant sources, water base, or solid pills or even dirt. What matters is how much time it takes the body to break down the minerals into their atomic (ionic) state in order to be effectively utilized at the cellular level.

Food and water are by far the most logical sources, and yet both delivery systems have become so mineral deficient and/or polluted that they are poor sources for a full compliment of one’s essential daily mineral intake. As a result we have become a minerally deficient society. Results of supplementing with inorganic ionic minerals speak to the effectiveness of inorganic individual ionic elements (not bonded to carbon) and can therefore attest to the fact that the body does not need its minerals bonded to carbon for beneficial absorption and utilization. It is therefore the belief of this author, based upon personal history and the history of the human race (with observation and results), that the body intuitively knows what to do with minerals regardless of the form in which they come, and if it didn’t, we would not be alive.

A very important component to understanding all of this starts with understanding the actual time frame that the body has to process a mineral in order to convert it into an ionic (atomic) size suitable for transport to and functionality within all of the cells of the body. The more tightly bound the mineral element (as in a powder or pill), the more time it takes for the body to atomize the element.
 
Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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2ANONYMOUS said:
OMG no wonder new growers tend to get confused first off the way you are talking then perhaps your truly not growing organically ,
Lets face it if you think your truly growing organic in your closet ask your self sure i may have microbes in my soil SHIT you got microbes under your fingernails lol
Where are the animals , insects that are also the big game players in true 100 percent organic growing
so in reality what your talking is a moot point all indoor organic made soils are man made nothing natural or 100 percent organic about that
your compost bin if you have it is not natural again its man made
where does it end
People got to stop spewing non sense a plant does not know the difference between organic nutes or Chemical nutes
and contrary to popular belief there is no difference between either grown properly Again another myth run wild
Simple really
organic bottled nutes is the same god dam thing as a tea
And remember the most important thing about organic nutes >>>???? is there is no such thing its called amendments when you add it into your soil
as for bottled nutes its greens some thing made from a living organisma just like compost tea ...
Be it potato peels ground up and mixed into water screened with high N plant species screened and put into a bottle

I sense with all the tree huggers and think green everyone is trying to claim organic is only way to go
Remember its just one way to grow
Myself been playing with notill indoor and although its organic remember its not 100 percent cause i got no insects , animals etc which is a important factor

People have to realize organics is best grown out door for indoor its all about speed efficiency and YIELD Cause its costs you for power right
my no till indoor is experiments is really for my out door greenhouse grows which are not run @ -40 below in winter

its really amusing when people growing weed think there the best organic growers in the land lol and scouring the net it appears most organic grown indoor journals plants are actually hurting hence why people are chasing there plants by playing the game feed the microbes when in fact there making teas in hopes for corrections
Check out video that is what its all about specally growing indoor
https://shop.greenhouseseeds.nl/train-wreck-grow-video.html

growing purple train wreck and BB this year 100 percent out door organic grown with all the insects and animals that complete the cycle we can not pick n choose and say this is organic grown BS
That is the problem with organics to many ways and variables
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Lost me right there.
 
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