Taxation without representation.....seems so.

UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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nevyn said:
Oh well that just proves my observation then about your intellect, we don't have such things as Wallmart, we have MacDonald's and burger king, but that's about it. Oh and we have the rothchilds and company panting and drooling after our resources because they have stolen all yours, but they don't count anyway..
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so you believe in a nefarious worldwide jewish conspiracy as well?

that's astounding.
 
nevyn

nevyn

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UncleBuck said:
so you believe in a nefarious worldwide jewish conspiracy as well?

that's astounding.
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Damn, how do you even know how to get out of bed, wow. You know I have always been told how stupid the Americans are, I mean you voted obama in to office, twice no less, so I believed it for awhile, then I met a few and that changed, but holy shit if you were the first one I met, I would have given up there and then. Pity for you I didn't.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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nevyn said:
Damn, how do you even know how to get out of bed, wow. You know I have always been told how stupid the Americans are, I mean you voted obama in to office, twice no less, so I believed it for awhile, then I met a few and that changed, but holy shit if you were the first one I met, I would have given up there and then. Pity for you I didn't.
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you should give up on yourself and kill yourself, just like your hero did.
 
burgertime2010

burgertime2010

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Rob Roy said:
Of course when both sides of your mouth stop, you will realize you just stated two opposing ideas at the same time. With government, or a coercive government, there is an entity placing limits on your freedom ALREADY. No need to wait for somebody else to enslave you, you're already owned.

Whether somebody might or a group of somebodies might decide to try to take your freedom or not in the absence of government doesn't prove that government hasn't already taken your freedom now does it?
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All you are doing is deluding yourself. This absence of government is just a dream you are holding on to. Live in real time and space for a moment, talk about things besides the freedom you never had.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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burgertime2010 said:
All you are doing is deluding yourself. This absence of government is just a dream you are holding on to. Live in real time and space for a moment, talk about things besides the freedom you never had.
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No. I'm not deluding myself. A person that is deluding himself would call himself "free" and then out of the other side of his mouth declare that this "freedom" must be metered out by a coercive system, which is of course impossible and oxymoronic. Freedom does not spring from coercion, it's delusional to believe this.

Maybe you should refer to what you are calling freedom by a word that more correctly applies? You know, stop deluding yourself that freedom is something that can be given or taken away by others that regularly control you.

The word you are looking for is privilege. When you say "freedom", you really mean privilege. Privileges can be good or bad, but they can be revoked by the giver of the privilege or they can be denied outright.

However your confusing a granted privilege with freedom is a fairly common error made by many people. In real time, you could never have freedom that is based on choices of others who decide your choices for you. False dichotomy much? The idea that the biggest force gets to change the meanings of words is very popular with those who redefine words.

Anyhow, as far as freedoms we don't have, why don't we have them might be a good question to ask?
 
burgertime2010

burgertime2010

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Rob Roy said:
No. I'm not deluding myself. A person that is deluding himself would call himself "free" and then out of the other side of his mouth declare that this "freedom" must be metered out by a coercive system, which is of course impossible and oxymoronic. Freedom does not spring from coercion, it's delusional to believe this.

Maybe you should refer to what you are calling freedom by a word that more correctly applies? You know, stop deluding yourself that freedom is something that can be given or taken away by others that regularly control you.

The word you are looking for is privilege. When you say "freedom", you really mean privilege. Privileges can be good or bad, but they can be revoked by the giver of the privilege or they can be denied outright.

However your confusing a granted privilege with freedom is a fairly common error made by many people. In real time, you could never have freedom that is based on choices of others who decide your choices for you. False dichotomy much? The idea that the biggest force gets to change the meanings of words is very popular with those who redefine words.

Anyhow, as far as freedoms we don't have, why don't we have them might be a good question to ask?
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I don't claim we are free nor do I claim we are slaves. The delusion is a fixation on your notion of freedom is attainable or has any bearing in reality. Basically, it is escapism. By, retelling the story of coercive government you avoid issue, questions, and solutions to any other real world debate. Your scope is narrow and redundant. Nobody is free....we get it, what now?
 
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