Thanks Obama, seriously.

Hazydat620

Hazydat620

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BigNBushy said:
If you think someone making $14 an hour would be unaffected by raising the minimum wage from 7.5 to 10.1, then you are a total retard.

Dude, about the plumber trainer thing. You act like that is absurd.

If you have very little knowledge of a skilled trade, and you want to break into it, how do you do it? Your answer would be go to some school, get into debt, just to get out and make the same money you could make if you did the arrangement I mentioned.

When I was in law school, we all got internships. There are only a handful of paid internship programs in the entire country. You work for free to learn. Because even if you graduated law school, passed the bar and became a full fledged attorney, you would still have no idea how to practice law unless you worked for free to learn.

Doctors get out and have to work for crumbs for 4 to 6 years before they are able to practice medicine.

That is how it is done.

If you are a 19 year old kid who has only worked fast food jobs, you aren't worth anything to plumbers, electricians, or any other skilled trade.

It is how the world always did it until recently, and it took a long time, it was called being an apprentice.

If you call a big national companies they won't have helpers and stuff.

If you call a local small business, they might, they could if they wanted to, and many do.

You seem to be of the opinion that if you spend 40 hours a week helping do something that you are entitled to me fully funding your existence, at a level you dictate.

I think you and I are too far apart on our views on this that we don't have any common ground.

I'm in favor of the person who signs the front of the check, it's his business.

You know why flipping burgers isn't worth $10/hr right now? Because there are millions of people doing it for much less right now.
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You really have had no REAL work experience and have a very distorted sense of the trade work force and how it actually operates. I hope you die in a car fire.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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BigNBushy said:
The concept of a living wage is offensive to me.

It implies that it is the responsibility of your employer to ensure your financial well being. It isn't, your financial well being is your own responsibility.

Let us examine the habits of the so called working poor...

What socioeconomic group is most likely to; smoke, play the lottery, have a dvd/blue ray collection, and has most of the children? That's right, the working poor.

Smoking is an expensive habit at five dollars a day.

Every time I see someone buying lottery tickets, they leave the store and get into a piece of shit car.

Every time I see someone buy a movie at the store, they have to pay for them separately since the EBT card does not cover it.

Lower socioeconomic people are having much more children, and children are expensive, and limit your ability to work.

I can't help but feel these people make most of the problems they face in their lives.

The quality of life of the person making fries and cleaning toilets is not my concern. I am my concern. They are their concern. I have done a better job addressing my concerns then they have of theirs. Heroin addiction not withstanding. It set me back a few years, but I think I'll be alright.

I have several people I call employees, I'm a non managing junior partner in a business. Which means I take home a share of the profits, above my salary and fees.

We don't have any minimum wage employees. We have a girl who answers phones, schedules stuff, office manager is what we call her. She makes $14/hr and is worth every penny.

If minimum wage were increased we couldn't necessarily give her a huge raise. So instead of almost doubling the minimum wage, she would only be 40 percent over. It would suck for her.

Shit, it would suck for me.

The person who decides what the fry cook and janitor should make are themselves and their employer. It's nobody else's business.

The employer decides what a position should be compensated. The employee then decides that either is or isn't enough. If it isn't, they find a skill that is more valuable to their employer or someone else.

Very few of these minimum wage types work more than 40 hours a week, and most not that much so their employers can keep them at part time classification.

You know what I would do there?

I look up a plumber, call him and ask if he needs part time help. If he says no, I tell him I'll work for free. Even then he will probably throw you a few dollars just because most people are decent enough to do that.

I would work for free, or very little with that plumber. After a few months, after you've learned some things and can be of help, ask him for a job, or a reference.

Boom, you just got a $10/hr job as a plumber helper.

You work there for a year or two, growing your skills and knowledge as his helper, and you've probably gotten a raise by then to 12 or better. Gain his trust by coming to work on time, staying sober, not stealing from him or the customers, and not being a dick head.

Then you get your plumbers license. In this time you could have easily accumulated a bunch of tools, and saved enough money for a van or truck. Depending on circumstances, he can expand his business through your license, your truck, and you make even more money.

After a few years of this, guess what, it's time for your plumbing company.

But most of those McDonald's fry cooks wouldn't ever dream of that.
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TL;DR "I am a total piece of shit of a human being"
 
Behind Dark Clouds

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MidwesternGro said:
So people working for under whatever they want to raise the minimum wage to aren't working hard enough to earn a break, but some liberal artist who is teaching a class is?

I think that the liberal arts fried your brain -- along with all that heroin you shot up.

Working a job adds value to the economy, sitting in a classroom and "learning" about liberal artistry adds NOTHING to the economy. How many people are going to use their Art History degree?

How about instead of expecting the tax payer to bail out these student loans via IBR we create an incentive to work by raising the minimum wage. That way people will work instead of being liberal artist cockroaches subsisting on student loans.
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The butthurt is strong in this one.
 
Behind Dark Clouds

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MidwesternGro said:
Why would it suck for her? She would be entirely unaffected by it.
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When the bottom of the ladder removes 2 rungs, and you are standing on the fifth, you just got a lot closer to the bottom.

I don't know if your brain can conceptualize it or not but either way the proof is in the puddin.
 
Behind Dark Clouds

Behind Dark Clouds

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Hazydat620 said:
You really have had no REAL work experience and have a very distorted sense of the trade work force and how it actually operates. I hope you die in a car fire.
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The shitty thing about most of what he said is its right. But that still doesn't mean that an employer should pay you a low ass wage where you must deal drugs or smoke poles to make rent. Not cool at all
 
Hazydat620

Hazydat620

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Behind Dark Clouds said:
When the bottom of the ladder removes 2 rungs, and you are standing on the fifth, you just got a lot closer to the bottom.

I don't know if your brain can conceptualize it or not but either way the proof is in the puddin.
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Why does that bother you? Is it a superiority complex? You were fine with your wage before, You and your boss both felt it was acceptable at the time ? What has changed? You don't feel as superior to those below you enough now, only way you feel good about yourself is by the despair of others? Sad that you base your wage on what you think other people are earning and not what you think you are worth.
 
Behind Dark Clouds

Behind Dark Clouds

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Hazydat620 said:
Why does that bother you? Is it a superiority complex? You were fine with your wage before, You and your boss both felt it was acceptable at the time ? What has changed? You don't feel as superior to those below you enough now, only way you feel good about yourself is by the despair of others? Sad that you base your wage on what you think other people are earning and not what you think you are worth.
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The price of gas, groceries, rent, utilities etc. Will go up as a result of a minimum wage increase. I don't care if we all make the same wage I don't need more than my fair share but I don't like the thought of having to pay an ever increasing price on living. I don't think 10 bucks would kill us but if we raised it to 15 it would destroy us. CEO's don't stop taking bonuses just because people can't pay rent.
 
DonAlejandroVega

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if you spent all your energy stealing Skittles from 7-11, breaking into houses, and getting into fights, instead of putting time and energy into making yourself valuable to an employer, you deserve whatever you get.
 
Hazydat620

Hazydat620

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Behind Dark Clouds said:
The price of gas, groceries, rent, utilities etc. Will go up as a result of a minimum wage increase. I don't care if we all make the same wage I don't need more than my fair share but I don't like the thought of having to pay an ever increasing price on living. I don't think 10 bucks would kill us but if we raised it to 15 it would destroy us. CEO's don't stop taking bonuses just because people can't pay rent.
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Does all the raises for everyone else in every other company raise prices on everything? Who says a company NEEDS to make a certain % or else prices will go up? Do you really think the price of things goes up because of wages? Why does gas go up in the summer? is there special summer wage increases I don't know about? Why is it in my town the groceries stores hike up their already outrages prices whenever the rodeo comes to town? It would be more accurate to say that the price of things are set by spending trends? It's chickenshit to blame it on somebody who values themselves more than what they are getting paid.
 
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Harrekin

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Hazydat620 said:
Does all the raises for everyone else in every other company raise prices on everything? Who says a company NEEDS to make a certain % or else prices will go up? Do you really think the price of things goes up because of wages? Why does gas go up in the summer? is there special summer wage increases I don't know about? Why is it in my town the groceries stores hike up their already outrages prices whenever the rodeo comes to town? It would be more accurate to say that the price of things are set by spending trends? It's chickenshit to blame it on somebody who values themselves more than what they are getting paid.
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Companies are formed for one and only reason, Rule of Acquisition No.1.

Profit.
 
MidwesternGro

MidwesternGro

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Behind Dark Clouds said:
The price of gas, groceries, rent, utilities etc. Will go up as a result of a minimum wage increase. I don't care if we all make the same wage I don't need more than my fair share but I don't like the thought of having to pay an ever increasing price on living. I don't think 10 bucks would kill us but if we raised it to 15 it would destroy us. CEO's don't stop taking bonuses just because people can't pay rent.
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You are simple-minded. People still buy these things, they just need government help to do it. Instead of foisting the problem on the tax-payer, making us subsidize their low wages, employers should pay a living wage.
 
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BigNBushy

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Hazydat620 said:
You really have had no REAL work experience and have a very distorted sense of the trade work force and how it actually operates. I hope you die in a car fire.
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Thanks.

I'm guessing you've never really done anything but work for some big company and feel like you're irreplaceable.

Most union workers I know feel that they are the vital cog in the wheel of production.

The truth is the worker is the easiest to replace component of an assembly line.
 
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BigNBushy

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It has become blatantly clear to me that most of you who are arguing with me has never owned or ran a business.

If you had, you'd know that the most expensive part is the people. They are so expensive beyond what you pay them, and a lot of that excess cost is based on their wage.

All too often employees aren't worth what they're paid now.
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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Hazydat620 said:
No matter the cost to others.
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Cry me a fucking river, you fucking lefty.

People CHOOSE to work at Walmart, they're not herded into cattle cars after their forth birthday and sold into slavery there.

I think their employer should pay whatever the contract states and the employee should take it or go somewhere else.
 
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