The Art of The Auto

FullDuplex · Nov 21, 2010

I swear i step out to go camping and when i come home i am almost 5 pages behind. This is good stuff and i even have to play catch up. Keep it up fellas! :leaf:

mossys said:
Weeell..I got to feel like a teenager all over again last night....
no..I didn't hit a rich seam of Viagra bud..before you all ask..

I was begining to wonder lol at first it was the first thing that came to mind

I was first in the queue for the tobaconists this morning..
so excuse me while I have a nicotine rush..

This is the main reason that I keep a carton around of my smokes, im just as grumbly with out my smokes as i am with out my buds

Start thinking about the plants as Humans...
Germs..babies..
Sex..teenagers..
Ripe..all Woman....

This is some great info here Mossy, I remember us talking about the subject before.
I still think that this is the main reason i get so many females rather than males. I usually start in a jiff pellet and then once they break the soil i take them to the cups for about 3 days and then on to the final resting place.

This has brought me great success, but the one thing that you have to be cautious is that after a while when peat begins to break down, it CAN and WILL drop your pH of the soil. So make sure that you watch out for this or the female search in neutral soil will be over, as i have seen it kill seedlings.

mossys said:
FullD....
upto's SourJEMZ..

now ain't that what you want to see from your f1's..

This is exactly what i want out of them. I did a tester last night from the middle and i had some nice stripped beans

So i am clipping today to start the drying process

Cant wait to see these under lights when there dry.

Ill be running a mass germ on them along side something new that will also be a mass germ. The second group is not full auto yet but i will be trying my best to get them there. Ive got enough seed to search out the auto's in the group. So more home work for me

I never place my seed..they just go in as they drop..
so I do occasionally see an upside down one.
Not sure what causes it..
just assumed I moved them with the watering..
and I have never pinned the trait to one particular cross..

Interesting, i was always told button down on them, and normally had great success with them. The BB's have been bad about it LOL they SO fit there name that its not funny, three of them now have done this. The last one that did this on the past grow was female, maybe these two will be the same. They have recovered and are standing at attention in there sucking in that HPS.

because once the root feels the light on it..it knows it is growing in the wrong direction and will turn itself.

I did not know this on i figured that the light would dry the tap root before it ever got a chance to flip. In the future im not gonna touch em and watch the magic happen.

I Think that the vinegar water Might be working..

I think I am seeing a return to vigor..
Fingers Crosed eh.....!

Now thats what i am talking about, a natural way to bring the ladies some healthy water

I am watching this closer than you think. If you remember i have been using a solid pH down to maintain the levels for my girls. IF this brings in tons of vigor for you and cleans up the buildup issue then, my friend, you may make your first convert to the vinegar concept. :clap:

mossys said:
FullD....
Hmmmm..hmmm..hm...hmmm..hmmm..hm..jingle all the waaayyyy...
:

Oh what fun it is to ride in a one horse open sleigh :fire:

Let the madness begin

Six new sprouts and the one finishing there on the corner. I figured id start the day right. See i told you Mossy you have the golden touch 100% germ ratio......
EVERY single time my friend :clap:

FullDuplex · Nov 21, 2010

mossys said:
Amen..
as FullD says..the Less you mess with them..the less you stress them..

Exactly, and i learned that the hard way as i have had a few stumpies

Anon..you better make that smoke a big un m8..there are loads of posts to catch up on...

I was thinking the same thing, besides we need you hanging out around here a little more.

FullDuplex · Nov 21, 2010

Mossy i have found some interesting things on Terpenoids, Terpene, and THC. I was doing some reading on friday and saw something interesting.

this is what i found

THC, In pure form, it is a glassy solid when cold, and becomes viscous and sticky if warmed. An aromaticterpenoid , THC has a very low solubility in water, but good solubility in most organic solvents.

After reading the article a little further it started making since. Not only do the terps give off the scents but the actual THC gland does as well.

So where is ther smell really coming from or does it take both of them to cause the scent to be specific?

Also read about the CB1 receptor, and that it is the most abundant G protein-coupled receptor in the brain. This comes back to what you have always said we a re pre-progeammed to use this as medication. I have a few more theories on this but i need to complie it and make sense of it before i post it or its gonna sound like a garbled mess. :leaf:

FullDuplex · Nov 21, 2010

Guys let do this were about 200 out of 20,000 views. :bigjoint:

And its about time you got a Avatar Mossy, LOVE it!

mossys · Nov 21, 2010

I was begining to wonder lol at first it was the first thing that came to mind

Ha ha..you would have noticed that the limonella terp was associated with focus on sex..and I think that is why the Afghan keep throwing up the viagra bud.

This is the main reason that I keep a carton around of my smokes, im just as grumbly with out my smokes as i am with out my buds

I normally do too m8..
but I didn't realise the money hadn't gone through..
by the time I got it sorted..
I was on the bones of me bum.... :-o

Talking about the ph m8..
do you know if oneof those two pronged SOIL ph meters would do the water as well..
or soil only..?
I've seen one on amazon..I was wondering..

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Soil-pH-Tester-Sinometer-SPH-20/dp/B003MA7FCG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1290349562&sr=8-1

The BB's have been bad about it LOL they SO fit there name that its not funny

Woa Bad Betty bam a lam...
(you can tell I'm back on the DC dom can't you..I've been singing all morning...)

Cant wait to see these under lights when there dry

Noo..can't wait to see them Germed.. ;-)

I am watching this closer than you think. If you remember i have been using a solid pH down to maintain the levels for my girls. IF this brings in tons of vigor for you and cleans up the buildup issue then, my friend, you may make your first convert to the vinegar concept

Obviously..it is too early to say..
it is intangible..
But..
I can just see an increase in the vigor..they look Happy.

See what happens.
Good new is..the white wine vinegar is cheap..so even with my high water volumes..
it only costs a little.
Bottle of vinegar costs 50 cents..and will dose up 120-150 ltrs.

Oh what fun it is to ride in a one horse open sleigh

Let the madness begin

LMHO...the bloody tune has gone round and round in my head all morning..

See i told you Mossy you have the golden touch 100% germ ratio......
EVERY single time my friend

Ha ha..down to you m8...you have better ratios than m8... :clap:

mossys · Nov 21, 2010

Guys let do this were about 200 out of 20,000 views.

WEY...HEY...
Well Done M8..

:clap:

Cheers to everyone making it so much FUN.... :clap:

FullDuplex · Nov 21, 2010

mossys said:
Ha ha..you would have noticed that the limonella terp was associated with focus on sex..and I think that is why the Afghan keep throwing up the viagra bud.

Talking about the ph m8..
do you know if oneof those two pronged SOIL ph meters would do the water as well..
or soil only..?
I've seen one on amazon..I was wondering..

I have thought about these but am not sure how they really work. They have them here at the local garden super stores and i have wondered over them a few times. Ive got some tasks for the day today and i may pick one up while i am out and about, as long as its reasonable.

Woa Bad Betty bam a lam...
(you can tell I'm back on the DC dom can't you..I've been singing all morning...)

Same tune came to mind and does every time i think or say the name lol, and i see there is a bit more spring in your step.

Noo..can't wait to see them Germed..

Good point me too

I can just see an increase in the vigor..they look Happy.

Thats all that matters. If your eye sees the vigor its working. Its one of those things that just works or it doesn't. If the treatment wasn't working you would see no change at all, but they are and i know how well that eye of yours is trained so its working for sure.

Id love to see some progression photos IF you have them, from before to current. :weed:

You know im a sucker for this stuff

Ha ha..down to you m8...you have better ratios than m8...

Something like this takes two i do believe. Breeder & grower :joint:

Harry Bald Sack · Nov 21, 2010

I am getting ready to buy a ph tester and was wondering about those 2 prong soil testers also. Man it would be really nice to be able to test soil and water with the same meter. I have some of that indicator solution and a vial but I don't really trust looking at a color for determining a ph level. Most of those soil meters measure light output also. (which I thought was kind of neat)

mossys · Nov 21, 2010

Hey HBS..they have a solar powered version for £6.50 that does soil ph..moisture levels and Light levels...
now that has to be a handy piece of kit for Indoor grow rooms.

Get it on your christmas list Now.. :leaf:

FullD...is'nt it great from having no real information to work with..we suddenly have a Load... :-P

We have so much study to do.

Also read about the CB1 receptor, and that it is the most abundant G protein-coupled receptor in the brain. This comes back to what you have always said we a re pre-progeammed to use this as medication. I have a few more theories on this but i need to complie it and make sense of it before i post it or its gonna sound like a garbled mess.

The Brain work is stunning too isn't it...?
I have never come across info so good in all my hunting.

So..it looks like your little girl is coming down today huh...
sigh..
looks like you will be waiting a while to see another buxom beauty...
sometimes..
I hate to cut them down.... :shock:

BTW..I have left a SIMPLE.."how to determine the dominance of your crosses" guide in upto's thread..
just incase you need it..for your project...

This is how to understand/estimate the dominance in your girls..

Your sister has had a baby..
and you look at it..
and you say..
it has it's moms eyes..
it's dads height..
moms hair colouring..
dads nose...
etc..etc..

You are reading the dominance of the genetic cross.
Deciding which Traits were inherited from each parent.

Being human..we are pre-programmed to do it..
so it comes naturally.

Deciding the dominance of a cross is exactly the same.

You look at it and say..
Does this girl resemble Mainly JEM..
or Mainly Sour..

IF most of the traits belong to 1 parent only..say..80-90%..you have a Dominant..

OR..is she a Balance of Both.

If she has a good..40-60% split of traits..then you have a Cross.

On your SOUR/JEM#7..

I can see JEM in that yellow leaf colour..(+10% for JEM..)
I see a top bud that is not typically JEM..(+10% for Sour.)

so..only from what I can see...you are on your way to a cross in that girl..
but you will need to fine check her..see what else she has belonging to either parent.

When you are first doing it..it may be an idea to keep yourself a list of traits to watch..

so..an easy one is to say..

Height..(10%)
frame shape..(10%)
leaf colour/shape..(10%)
Bud sites..(10%)
bud shape..(10%)
bud colour..(10%)
Aroma..(10%)
Taste..(10%)
effect..(10%)
Mood..(10%)

If you can attribute all of those traits on your pheno..
and add up the percentage points..
you can work out Who..predominantly..she is.

I also have some ideas about your medicinal cream..
but I'll save them...time is pressing..
I willprobably be missing monday/tuesday coz I've got jobs to do..so I'm getting the evil eye..
for yapping in here instead..

Couldn't send me the caretaker for 2 weeks could you..he is handy with jobs.

The high winds were so bad..it took the washing line down off the wall..
along with a good bit of cement..
so..things have to be fixed.

When I was in the UK I bought a fleece jacket for the winter walks down the beach..
I counted up today..and I have 17 hot-rock burns on it..
If you smoke dope..don't wear fleece....you are likely to spontaneously combust... :bigjoint:

b.R. · Nov 21, 2010

i saw that mossys and a couple others had said they had used WHITE vinegar to lower the ph.... would using a apple cider vinegar hurt the plants in any way or would it be the same as using the white vinegar.?... and by the way, mossys, those purple plants you got there are... well... i cant even think of a word to describe those beauties....lol... great though...

mossys · Nov 21, 2010

Aye b.R....
it is white wine vinegar that I am using..
I cannot see that it would be any different using apple vinegar..
because it is simply the acidity that you want..
my only thoughts would be is that apple vinegar is dearer.
You only have a few plants..so cost is negligible..if you have it available.
(I use 30-50 ltrs of water a day..in full season..)

those purple plants you got there are... well... i cant even think of a word to describe those beauties....lol... great though...

Cheers m8..I'm pushing through the f3's ATM..
to test on them on my coldest/darkest part of the season..
to see if the colour is simply cold activated.

If it is..I will be gutted..
But..
I would grow them cold season because the are so Stunning to the eye.

I'd smoke an Ugly bud that had good effect..
but..
not a beautiful bud that had none.

Luckily they are proving to be the best of both.
(Couldn't really fail with Tom Hills Deep Chunk in there..the Man makes a Stunning genetic...)

teflondummy · Nov 21, 2010

I have a quick question about deficiencies. I think a couple of the lower leaves are showing signs of N deficiency. I have already upped the strength of my nutes(earth juice grow). What I am wondering is will they ever go back to there happy green color or should they get the snipView attachment 1281357 View attachment 1281358. I am ocd about wanting healthy looking plants.

b.R. · Nov 21, 2010

teflondummy said:
I have a quick question about deficiencies. I think a couple of the lower leaves are showing signs of N deficiency. I have already upped the strength of my nutes(earth juice grow). What I am wondering is will they ever go back to there happy green color or should they get the snipView attachment 1281357 View attachment 1281358. I am ocd about wanting healthy looking plants.

sometimes the lower leaves do yellow upon flowering, may not be a major issue at all, but, mayve mossys or other experianced growers can help more

b.R. · Nov 21, 2010

mossys said:
Aye b.R....
it is white wine vinegar that I am using..
I cannot see that it would be any different using apple vinegar..
because it is simply the acidity that you want..
my only thoughts would be is that apple vinegar is dearer.
You only have a few plants..so cost is negligible..if you have it available.
(I use 30-50 ltrs of water a day..in full season..)

ok, thanks for that info mossys. i have been only watering each plant with a little over a half gallon each, so im only needing a half a cap full or so of the apple cider vinegar. My ph out of the tap is around 7.8

Anonamix · Nov 21, 2010

Oh im back fellas! been side tracked with other hobbies lol

This year will be my first winter grow, will be expieramenting with temp control and what not. Also still no camera, on my xmas list tho.
Choppin down my tub of seeded jems, will have F3 beans stocked up for a while.

Mossy.. That santabis picture would be great x-mas cards haha

teflondummy · Nov 21, 2010

b.R. said:
sometimes the lower leaves do yellow upon flowering, may not be a major issue at all, but, mayve mossys or other experianced growers can help more

I didn't think it was major but like I said I am obsessive about wanting my girls to be as healthy, green, and attractive as possible. If some yellowing is normal I guess I will have to live with it.

b.R. · Nov 21, 2010

teflondummy said:
I didn't think it was major but like I said I am obsessive about wanting my girls to be as healthy, green, and attractive as possible. If some yellowing is normal I guess I will have to live with it.

lol... i definately feel you on the being obsessive. I think we are all like that because we want the best outcome for all our beautiful plants after putting in the hard work and patiently waiting for our final harvest. fruits of labor.....

b.R. · Nov 21, 2010

by the way teflon, those girls look good as well, its looking like its going to end up with a nice yield...

teflondummy · Nov 21, 2010

b.R. said:
by the way teflon, those girls look good as well, its looking like its going to end up with a nice yield...

Thanks br I do have high hopes for the holidays.

b.R. · Nov 21, 2010

teflondummy said:
Thanks br I do have high hopes for the holidays.

always great to have something to bring in the holidays... unfortunately i have to wait until after the new year before im finalized, but oh well, good things are worth the wait and its christmas everyday when its actually your own..... and also i see you are an east coaster as well... same here

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