The Budologist's 2012 Outdoor Grow (TGA Forest)

woooooooooooooow these babys are takin off now bro keep up the good work!

kushking42 said:

might be a good idea to start pinching leaves on the broad leaf varieties. light is gonna have a hard time getting through all that foliage. good works!

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Spent about an hour yesterday doing that, and will do the rest today, thanks for the suggestion I was debating whether or not to take some out.

Budologist420 said:

Spent about an hour yesterday doing that, and will do the rest today, thanks for the suggestion I was debating whether or not to take some out.

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i am not going to touch mine until after a good flower set......i got carried away last year, and pushed my flowers back two full weeks....not cool........i plan to do a big prune/clean-out around the 10 of sept (after bud-set), and do a mass juicing/bagging/freezing......i should be able to stockpile a month or two supply of juice....and finally get this gut of mine healed up...

dude that clip show looks awesome! cant wait to get to a state where I can grow in my backyard.... jealous!



Peace, love, and Greens!

nugbuckets said:

i am not going to touch mine until after a good flower set......i got carried away last year, and pushed my flowers back two full weeks....not cool........i plan to do a big prune/clean-out around the 10 of sept (after bud-set), and do a mass juicing/bagging/freezing......i should be able to stockpile a month or two supply of juice....and finally get this gut of mine healed up...

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i dont agree with this in regards to large plants. but you r in michigan so i will give you that climate would dictate an early finish. but from my experience ive never seen a plant not start flowering from early pruning. that being said pruning monsters needs to be done throughout the entirety of the season. now with broad leaf indicas these monster leaves cover flower sites and discourage growth. and you can get them to grow aggressively during VEG by pruning these large leaves. for example i have pruned dozens and dozens of leaves off of my master kush and it is the furthest along. and my casey jones and sour flower arent even thinking of flowering and i havent pinched any leaves because they are narrow. got peeps in trinity that can get crazy numbers offf the grape ape by pruning these big leaves. that being said im not sure if you r referring to cleaning the bottom of the plant and the inside. but when i say pinch large leaves im talking fan leaves. so in essence we have clearance on the bottom and a clean inside of the plant for air flow. and in the case of broad leaf, actually removing large leaves that cover flower sites to allow light in. that is why narrow leaf hybrids like casey jones and ssh yield so much, they allow so much light pentetration and take the whole season to mature.

is it possible that other factors were involved in delaying flower? an irregular season? unfamiliarity with the climate zone? first time running these particular genetics outside @ this particular location?

kushking42 said:

i dont agree with this in regards to large plants. but you r in michigan so i will give you that climate would dictate an early finish. but from my experience ive never seen a plant not start flowering from early pruning. that being said pruning monsters needs to be done throughout the entirety of the season. now with broad leaf indicas these monster leaves cover flower sites and discourage growth. and you can get them to grow aggressively during VEG by pruning these large leaves. for example i have pruned dozens and dozens of leaves off of my master kush and it is the furthest along. and my casey jones and sour flower arent even thinking of flowering and i havent pinched any leaves because they are narrow. got peeps in trinity that can get crazy numbers offf the grape ape by pruning these big leaves. that being said im not sure if you r referring to cleaning the bottom of the plant and the inside. but when i say pinch large leaves im talking fan leaves. so in essence we have clearance on the bottom and a clean inside of the plant for air flow. and in the case of broad leaf, actually removing large leaves that cover flower sites to allow light in. that is why narrow leaf hybrids like casey jones and ssh yield so much, they allow so much light pentetration and take the whole season to mature.

is it possible that other factors were involved in delaying flower? an irregular season? unfamiliarity with the climate zone? first time running these particular genetics outside @ this particular location?

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kk42....yeah, i totally agree with thinning big fans, as i have used the technique quite a few times with my big indicas.......i guess i am referring more to removing the understory, which is pretty popular up here due to excessive mold issues, usually caused by backsplash of rain hitting the ground.....i can say this....last year my whole neighborhood ran the same cuts, all in very similar locations, and very similar soils.......i was the only one that removed my understories late July to prevent yellow spot.......i was a full two weeks behind everyone else in the hood, and i am convinced that i removed a bunch of stored flowering hormone in the lowers.......now, i know that is a big difference in how you cali dudes grow trees, cause i have been there, done that.......just saying....i am pretty sure that if you remove too much of the older vegetation, it can impede flower onset....
.......like in lost weeden how dave had all that bare ground between his plants, with the lowers pretty much sweeping the ground....that would be a disaster up here with one rain......yellow spot would comsume those trees in a matter of a few weeks like blight on tomatoes.......it is the main reason i have my plants up off the ground in smarties, and i will go as far as drag them in and out of a greenie daily to keep the dew and rain off them in mid-late flower......its all about mold here......nugs

that is a solid example. but i think we need more field trials. im gonna put some little ones out @ same time. and prune several immediately and several after budset. its sort of a fine line u r balancing, on one hand airflow is diminished by postponing pruning and on the other if you do prune you delay flower. so in your opinion the plants that i have that are forming buds would be further along had i not pruned?

edit: my original intent was to opine on what was best for pruning large plants, because thats what the budologist has going. and not what was necesarily best for managing your canopy in your climate. Bless!

kushking42 said:

that is a solid example. but i think we need more field trials. im gonna put some little ones out @ same time. and prune several immediately and several after budset. its sort of a fine line u r balancing, on one hand airflow is diminished by postponing pruning and on the other if you do prune you delay flower. so in your opinion the plants that i have that are forming buds would be further along had i not pruned?

edit: my original intent was to opine on what was best for pruning large plants, because thats what the budologist has going. and not what was necesarily best for managing your canopy in your climate. Bless!

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i think the way you guys are pruning is a lot easier on the plant as far as hormones go, but if you pruned those girls like i do....they would be behind a bit imho...........but you guys are just selectively removing fans throughout the "whole" of the plant.......it just makes sense, if the hormone levels are the highest in the oldest (lowest) growth, which they are ....then the grower pretty much prunes the whole lower third of the plant 2 weeks before expected bud-set, i think a grower is bound to upset the balance a bit......as far as air flow, my plants are so much smaller than yours, so air-flow in late veg doesn't become a huge issue....not until mid-late flower.....i do however prune out some center canopy material when i prune after budset, which leads me to the second reason why i choose to prune heavily (first being mold).......a major part of my main-lining theory has to do with energy distribution from the root mass.......i really believe in the "manifold" theory, and building your plant off of one node......now think of it this way.....(my grow).......i transplanted into 20 gal smarts on july 15th.....lets say bud initiation begins Aug 15 (avg).....and i prune heavily three weeks later.....so she had 6-7 weeks to build from 5 gallons of root mass to 20 gal of root mass which supports a 4 foot plant mainlined for 16 heads......she has planty of root mass to support her life cycle throughout her flowering stage........but then i hack out the entire understory, and much of the secondary branching....i leave 16 - 24 inch potential finished colas....so i figure, i remove 35-45% of the plants total above ground mass.......now i have 100% of my root mass supplying 60% of my above ground mass........i am high, so i hope this makes sense.......essentially super-charging your colas right before the beginning of the mass phase of flower.....i guess this is a luxury of the grower who grows smaller plants.....but it is the way i choose to do it........i want small, main-lined, moveable, fully suported, super-charged plants that yield nothing but dense jar bud.......i am a flower grower first, and have no patient demand for hash......if i was to grow trees here like you guys......my scene would look almost identical to KK42's grow......except the plants would be main lined like Buds , and the understorys would be removed along with some secondary branching to thin them out even more...like mine!.......i think it is really cool to see other successful growers scenes from different regions, and climates......the methods themselves are such a wonderful expression of the grower....cool shit..... nugs

i guess i feel like my plants have been heavily pruned and the camera isnt doing it justice. Yes i want to grow monsters, but budsites are all that matters. the insides of these trees are completely gutted. and like 18" from the top of the pot are clear cut. so i guess what im trying to say is these trees have been aggresively pruned several times and all old hormones have been removed several times and it hasnt slowed down budset. ill take some pics of the insides..

kushking42 said:

i guess i feel like my plants have been heavily pruned and the camera isnt doing it justice. Yes i want to grow monsters, but budsites are all that matters. the insides of these trees are completely gutted. and like 18" from the top of the pot are clear cut. so i guess what im trying to say is these trees have been aggresively pruned several times and all old hormones have been removed several times and it hasnt slowed down budset. ill take some pics of the insides..

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cool bro....perhaps my situation was an anomaly?........would appreciate not having yet another thing to fret about...

maybe, but id like to know for certain as well. same thing with some people having the opinion that alfalfa slows down the onset of flowering. these are important ?'s

Budologist420 said:

Wanna get a few more plants in before the end of the season

5 TGA Spacedawg (SnoDawg x SpaceQueen) Hovering you convinced me to pop these with your awesome thread.
5 Sour Alien
5 Peaches (Afghani x Trainwreck seeds gifted to me by a good friend and long time grower the buds smell and taste exactly like peaches, very crystally dense buds)
3 TGA Qleaner (love this strain, have grown it the last two years outdoors and was my favorite plant, always the stickiest when being trimmed)
2 TGA Plushberry (out of a 5 pack the first 3 were males so hopefully these are girls)

-Bud

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wow...its the 5th of august......you are running them under the sun?.....this should be interesting......

nugbuckets said:

wow...its the 5th of august......you are running them under the sun?.....this should be interesting......

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Ya if it starts raining will set up a cover over them.

buddy, I don't want to be negative or anything, but I think you may need to plan for some supplimental lighting for those bad boys for the last month at least. I've done late fall plants too, and the sun really gets weak quick that late and the buds suffer.

I'm in the same boat. I just got a spot to take a Slee Stack and a Death Star I wanted to keep around. They are only about a foot tall each.... Well we will see what happens

Organics88 said:

I'm in the same boat. I just got a spot to take a Slee Stack and a Death Star I wanted to keep around. They are only about a foot tall each.... Well we will see what happens

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there is a big difference between a foot, and less than an inch!.....could always finish them inside....

wheezer said:

buddy, I don't want to be negative or anything, but I think you may need to plan for some supplimental lighting for those bad boys for the last month at least. I've done late fall plants too, and the sun really gets weak quick that late and the buds suffer.

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Well I'll probably finish most of them indoors then and run the rest outside in a carport greenhouse with some supplemental lighting if needed. Thanks for the advice bro.

Fuck yeah , I just sprouted a couple beans too, just for the hell of it
Those strains sound good
I'll be keeping an eye on the peaches as I love me some trainwreck and anything crossed with it

Loved the video! Beautiful, beautiful, healthy looking plants! I am also impressed with how neat and clean the areas are kept, great job! What kind of sprayer is that you are using to spray the plants with?