The "D" day pool, best guess as to when Trump is out

DIY-HP-LED · Jan 29, 2018

greg nr said:
Wow, what are you guys smokin and where can I get some?

You seem to be in an alternate universe; one where the gop has a concience and a soul they care about. Where they can be moved by patriotism, and honor the rule of law. Where they can be convinced to put country ahead of party.

If there is anything that post newt gop has shown us, it's that none of that is true.

They will never come to reason, never ignore the money, and like trump, they seem to great pleasure simply destroying what others hold dear.

That is the world of the real.

Ya need to look at the modern GOP with a bit more nuance and know that it is made up of different factions and there are big regional differences. The gerrymandered (freedom) caucus has nearly crippled the party with extremist views and positions. I image that Paul and Mitch are having a Hell of a time from folks from those regions of the country not blighted by racism. They are not masterminds, just trying to cope with the psycho and sweep up his droppings. They run the board and only managed to get their precious tax break for the rich trough, everyday is a disaster and they own the government and Donald.

I consider myself a realist, not an optimist, we only have to be in suspense for another month I'd say, things are gonna come to a head. This is to the death, Donald made it that way, it's gonna be unprecedented and historic, also one Helluva show. A sitting president has never been impeached and convicted and a former one has never been jailed, much less in a supermax.

I figure most of the country knows what's on the line this midterm, whether Trump is still around or not. If he's impeached, I hope they don't put him in jail right away, but give him a little time to fuck up the election for the GOP, whining that he was robbed, split them down the middle.

I'm still going with a D day in march.

greg nr · Jan 29, 2018

I'm hoping you are right. Really I am. But the modern gop isn't as conflicted as you are proposing. Sure, they have the whacko wing, but they really have zero moderates left. They range from very right wing to extremely right wing.

Poor mitch and paul. Held captive by their extremists; not. Remember mitchie holding the scotus nomination for two years? That wasn't his extremist wing; it was him. Same with making statements early in obama's admin that they wouldn't support any bills that would benefit obamas standing. They didn't give a crap about good legislation, they wanted to kill anything that would work.

And lets not forget paulies love affair with ayn rand. He is the driving force behind a lot of the destruction of the social safety net and policies to help the poor succeed.

Nope. Sorry. There is no nuance to the modern day gop. They have you fooled.

It is them. It's who they are, it's what they do.

Now wrt D day; it won't come criminally. No chance of that. Any solution will be political, and that won't happen until his support is in the low 20's, which may never happen.

DIY-HP-LED · Jan 29, 2018

greg nr said:
I'm hoping you are right. Really I am. But the modern gop isn't as conflicted as you are proposing. Sure, they have the whacko wing, but they really have zero moderates left. They range from very right wing to extremely right wing.

Poor mitch and paul. Held captive by their extremists; not. Remember mitchie holding the scotus nomination for two years? That wasn't his extremist wing; it was him. Same with making statements early in obama's admin that they wouldn't support any bills that would benefit obamas standing. They didn't give a crap about good legislation, they wanted to kill anything that would work.

And lets not forget paulies love affair with ayn rand. He is the driving force behind a lot of the destruction of the social safety net and policies to help the poor succeed.

Nope. Sorry. There is no nuance to the modern day gop. They have you fooled.

It is them. It's who they are, it's what they do.

Now wrt D day; it won't come criminally. No chance of that. Any solution will be political, and that won't happen until his support is in the low 20's, which may never happen.

You misunderstand, I don't have any sympathy for Paul Ryan or Mitch, they stood by the birther lies and helped fill the GOP with racists in reaction to Obama, but there are leftovers in the house and senate from another time and from more moderate regions and states. Sucking the asses of extremists helps with the base, but not with the election. What will the next crop of the bastards be spouting, everyone is gonna try and top the master Donald in extremist views. The GOP is gonna spiral downward for a bit, money won't cure it either.

Maybe they will put Steven Miller away with Donald and Donald can dictate a book to him, "My Struggle", might be a catchy title perhaps!

DIY-HP-LED · Jan 29, 2018

Frustrated by Russia investigation, Trump turns ire toward Rosenstein
http://www.kitv.com/story/37361963/frustrated-by-russia-investigation-trump-turns-ire-toward-rosenstein

Next target Rosenstein, how fucking obvious do you have to be, why doesn't he just pull out his gun and shoot him! If he can get away with this obvious bullshit he can get away with murder, just cut to the chase.

Ted cruz is up for reelection in 2018, I wonder how he would vote on impeachment if he knew he was fucked back home this fall? Wonder what the people of the lone star state think of treason and Trump these days. Think Ted is gonna sweat in 2018?

DIY-HP-LED · Jan 29, 2018

FBI Deputy Director McCabe stepping down
Washington (CNN)FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe has told FBI staff he is stepping down effective Monday -- a move that surprised even those expecting his March retirement, sources tell CNN.

McCabe was a central target of President Donald Trump's ire toward the FBI over its involvement in the investigation into potential collusion between his campaign and Russia during the 2016 election.
He was eligible to retire in March, but with his accumulated leave, he was able to step down earlier.
Trump learned about the departure Monday morning, a White House official told CNN. The President did not answer a reporter's question at the White House about McCabe's departure.

Enough bullshit or something else, maybe he's free to talk a bit more now.

Another top FBI official bites the dust, Mueller is watching.

greg nr · Jan 29, 2018

Ted is suddenly in a competitive race. In f'in TX. But, it won't change his ways. In fact, it will probably drive him further to the right.

And rosenstein has always been a target. In a lot of ways he is a much better target than muehler. It is rosenstien who sets the scope of the investigation. It is rosenstein who approves all indictments. It is rosenstein who will review and approve the final report to congress.

They can neuter the investigation and have it wind down and collapse just by replacing rosenstein. Nixon tried that as well, but ended up with jaworski. Trump won't end up with muehler v2, he will end up with a stephen miller.

greg nr · Jan 29, 2018

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DIY-HP-LED said:
FBI Deputy Director McCabe stepping down
Washington (CNN)FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe has told FBI staff he is stepping down effective Monday -- a move that surprised even those expecting his March retirement, sources tell CNN.

McCabe was a central target of President Donald Trump's ire toward the FBI over its involvement in the investigation into potential collusion between his campaign and Russia during the 2016 election.
He was eligible to retire in March, but with his accumulated leave, he was able to step down earlier.
Trump learned about the departure Monday morning, a White House official told CNN. The President did not answer a reporter's question at the White House about McCabe's departure.

Enough bullshit or something else, maybe he's free to talk a bit more now.

Another top FBI official bites the dust, Mueller is watching.

He isn't stepping down; he was removed. This was a monday morning surprise for everyone in the fbi. It's not enough he was going to leave by march anyway, trump wanted a scalp and he got one.

But sheesh, if you wanted to piss off the agents in the fbi and harden them as a group against you, regardless of ideology, this is the way to do it.

The ONLY reason he is targeting mccabe is mccabe is one of 3 corroborating witnesses for comey's version of events leading up to his firing. Trump is targeting all 3.

But mccabe is an odd choice. Mccabe wasn't in charge of anything trump related at the fbi. He was harmless to trump, outside of his being a witness, but being a witness won't end when he leaves.

It would have been smarter to leave mccabe there, and use him as a punching bag. Now he will be on the outside, and he can't be blamed for anything related to the investigation going forwards.

But that's what you get from stable geniuses I guess.

DIY-HP-LED · Jan 29, 2018

I think at this stage of the game Mueller/Rosenstein are a package deal, getting rid of either is gonna be obvious and might trigger handcuffs. Remember Mueller has Sessions by the nuts for perjury and maybe other things, he is gonna squeeze Jeffs nuts off before he goes. Perhaps some obstruction arrests of congressmen might shake em up, charge em and let God sort em out later. Mueller doesn't have a career to look out for and there would be grounds for charges at least, fuck em over the old fashioned way.

Sour Wreck · Jan 29, 2018

america is really fucked up right now and i have ZERO faith in the republican party to do anything. Gonna take a dem landslide in both houses of congress.

greg nr · Jan 29, 2018

DIY-HP-LED said:
I think at this stage of the game Mueller/Rosenstein are a package deal, getting rid of either is gonna be obvious and might trigger handcuffs. Remember Mueller has Sessions by the nuts for perjury and maybe other things, he is gonna squeeze Jeffs nuts off before he goes. Perhaps some obstruction arrests of congressmen might shake em up, charge em and let God sort em out later. Mueller doesn't have a career to look out for and there would be grounds for charges at least, fuck em over the old fashioned way.

The fbi charging a congress critter for the performance of his job is a constitutional quagmire. I doubt they will go there unless there is absolute hard evidence. Releasing classified counter-inteligence might be grounds, but nunes hasn't done that yet. Still, it would be a dodgy case to make.

DIY-HP-LED · Jan 29, 2018

greg nr said:
The fbi charging a congress critter for the performance of his job is a constitutional quagmire. I doubt they will go there unless there is absolute hard evidence. Releasing classified counter-inteligence might be grounds, but nunes hasn't done that yet. Still, it would be a dodgy case to make.

It's strictly a tactical shock and awe thing, perhaps an abuse of the constitution, but it's not like Trump or the GOP is honoring it either, no good faith. Yer almost at the stage of civil war, it starts by playing fast and loose with the rules, sometimes ya got no choice but to pull out yer own knife and start slashing. Congressmen can be charged with obstruction, there's probably a prima facie case for it, enough set them back on their heels and screw em till election.

I think Mueller is gonna drop some bombshells that will blow everything away, none of the more exotic legal maneuvers will be necessary. Mueller has his own shock and awe campaign ready, he's a wise man and I figure he will know when the time is right. Donald has a lot of secrets and skeletons in his walk in closet, mueller has looked at his life under a microscope, something juicy and easy to prove is there for sure. Mueller is a pro and so is his team

greg nr · Jan 29, 2018

DIY-HP-LED said:
It's strictly a tactical shock and awe thing, perhaps an abuse of the constitution, but it's not like Trump or the GOP is honoring it either, no good faith. Yer almost at the stage of civil war, it starts by playing fast and loose with the rules, sometimes ya got no choice but to pull out yer own knife and start slashing. Congressmen can be charged with obstruction, there's probably a prima facie case for it, enough set them back on their heels and screw em till election.

I think Mueller is gonna drop some bombshells that will blow everything away, none of the more exotic legal maneuvers will be necessary. Mueller has his own shock and awe campaign ready, he's a wise man and I figure he will know when the time is right. Donald has a lot of secrets and skeletons in his walk in closet, mueller has looked at his life under a microscope, something juicy and easy to prove is there for sure. Mueller is a pro and so is his team

Except the fbi works for trump. And trump is begging for a reason, no matter how flimsy, to shut the whole investigation down. So picture ryan and mcconnel sending him a joint letter demanding that the unconstitutional harassment be halted. They would be within their rights to do that.

It could even be what nunes is up to. try to draw the fbi into a dispute and ask trump to remedy it. I wouldn't put it past them.

Luckily the fbi ain't dumb.

Sour Wreck · Jan 29, 2018

this shit is getting ready to get out of fucking hand.

DIY-HP-LED · Jan 29, 2018

greg nr said:
Except the fbi works for trump. And trump is begging for a reason, no matter how flimsy, to shut the whole investigation down. So picture ryan and mcconnel sending him a joint letter demanding that the unconstitutional harassment be halted. They would be within their rights to do that.

It could even be what nunes is up to. try to draw the fbi into a dispute and ask trump to remedy it. I wouldn't put it past them.

Luckily the fbi ain't dumb.

When ya sit back and think about it for a minute, Trump has got to be guilty as Hell and the GOP has gotta know it too. They are working awfully hard on a dead end project, they are trying too hard to protect an innocent man. These guys know somethings, but Mueller knows more and I have a feeling all the stops are coming out on this one. The FBI won't act unless the justice department tells them to, how much leverage does Mueller have over Sessions? What would be the best way to use such leverage? Maybe the little prick is wearing a wire!

DIY-HP-LED · Jan 29, 2018

Sour Wreck said:
this shit is getting ready to get out of fucking hand.

Yep, things are gonna come to a head in the next month or so I figure. I wonder if the FBI bugged the WH after Mueller was appointed, he probably had the evidence to get a secret warrant! The release of the oval office transcripts would be a bombshell!
Mueller is a pro,I figure he can handle this shit, one thing is for sure, he wants fat Donny's ass bigly now.

Sour Wreck · Jan 29, 2018

DIY-HP-LED said:
Yep, things are gonna come to a head in the next month or so I figure. I wonder if the FBI bugged the WH after Mueller was appointed, he probably had the evidence to get a secret warrant! The release of the oval office transcripts would be a bombshell!
Mueller is a pro,I figure he can handle this shit, one thing is for sure, he wants fat Donny's ass bigly now.

not only that, comey made sure this investigation happened.

everytime cheeto jesus says something negative about the intel communities, they turn more against him stupid ass.

greg nr · Jan 29, 2018

DIY-HP-LED said:
When ya sit back and think about it for a minute, Trump has got to be guilty as Hell and the GOP has gotta know it too. They are working awfully hard on a dead end project, they are trying too hard to protect an innocent man. These guys know somethings, but Mueller knows more and I have a feeling all the stops are coming out on this one. The FBI won't act unless the justice department tells them to, how much leverage does Mueller have over Sessions? What would be the best way to use such leverage? Maybe the little prick is wearing a wire!

He doesn't need any leverage over sessions. Sessions has recused himself and isn't calling shots.

The question is what leverage does he have over the DoJ legally. Could he fight his firing in court as an extension of obstruction of justice activities?

I dunno. It would seem reasonable that if he convinced a judge that removing him would be the ultimate obstruction of justice they could stay his removal, but the doj could argue they are only removing the man, not the investigation (even though that would be a lie).

Another question is what would the status of any sealed indictments be if he were removed or ordered to withdraw them?

Further, what if trump just pardoned everybody? Would the pardons hold up?

And finally, if the doj simply gave the indictments to the equiveleant of an entry level meter maid, intentionally to spoil the prosecutions, could that be challenged? Maybe not. It was done with the bundies.

That's why this has to have a political resolution. Trump has too many ways to squash the investigations and prosecutions, and they all would take years to resolve. By the time any case made it to court, he would have multiple avenues to dismiss. That isn't even assuming he doesn't get a gop appointee as a judge.

This is all playing perfectly into putins hands. Our enemies will be the only ones to win when this is over.

DIY-HP-LED · Jan 29, 2018

greg nr said:
He doesn't need any leverage over sessions. Sessions has recused himself and isn't calling shots.

The question is what leverage does he have over the DoJ legally. Could he fight his firing in court as an extension of obstruction of justice activities?

I dunno. It would seem reasonable that if he convinced a judge that removing him would be the ultimate obstruction of justice they could stay his removal, but the doj could argue they are only removing the man, not the investigation (even though that would be a lie).

Another question is what would the status of any sealed indictments be if he were removed or ordered to withdraw them?

Further, what if trump just pardoned everybody? Would the pardons hold up?

And finally, if the doj simply gave the indictments to the equiveleant of an entry level meter maid, intentionally to spoil the prosecutions, could that be challenged? Maybe not. It was done with the bundies.

That's why this has to have a political resolution. Trump has too many ways to squash the investigations and prosecutions, and they all would take years to resolve. By the time any case made it to court, he would have multiple avenues to dismiss. That isn't even assuming he doesn't get a gop appointee as a judge.

This is all playing perfectly into putins hands. Our enemies will be the only ones to win when this is over.

I think you might be pleasantly surprised, Mueller can sue for his job and a competent president might be able to squash investigations, Trump is an undisciplined ignorant fool. He has a strangely incompetent legal team, poor quality for this kind of work.

When Mueller acts on Trump it will be very quick and Paul and Mitch might be secretly involved. Donald won't know what hit him and by the time he's recovered his senses he will be out of office, maybe before he can have a pardon written up to sign. The GOP is gonna get a secret preview and a chance to do right before the gloves come off, easier and quicker like that.

Donald might go to Florida golfing as president and come back in cuffs! Kelly could always say "I told you congress was meeting in a special session, it was in your daily briefing, didn't you read it"?

greg nr · Jan 29, 2018

DIY-HP-LED said:
I think you might be pleasantly surprised, Mueller can sue for his job and a competent president might be able to squash investigations, Trump is an undisciplined ignorant fool. He has a strangely incompetent legal team, poor quality for this kind of work.

When Mueller acts on Trump it will be very quick and Paul and Mitch might be secretly involved. Donald won't know what hit him and by the time he's recovered his senses he will be out of office, maybe before he can have a pardon written up to sign. The GOP is gonna get a secret preview and a chance to do right before the gloves come off, easier and quicker like that.

Donald might go to Florida golfing as president and come back in cuffs!

And in other good news, it's almost time for the easter bunny to hop on down the lane.

DIY-HP-LED · Jan 29, 2018

greg nr said:
And in other good news, it's almost time for the easter bunny to hop on down the lane.

We can have a bit of fun with it, speculation doesn't need to be all negative! :lol:

If I could put the bug in Donald's ear I would wind him up real good! Make em squirm! When they are scared and paranoid they make more mistakes. Seriously there are an awful lot of good folks gunning for these pricks, this shit does not sit well with the majority of Americans. This bullshit is just too obvious.

The "D" day pool, best guess as to when Trump is out

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