The end of the rope is near...

Doer

Doer

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Chief Walkin Eagle said:
Where has science told me that I was wrong? Carbon dating seems to be the only thing against my theory of the ancients. Science has not disproved The Flower of Life. Again I am met with the "You're definitely wrong, heres why" attitude instead of the "I THINK you're wrong, heres why" attitude.

How could it be an accepted piece of knowledge if science denies it? I guess I could use 'god' as an example since the majority of the world accepts that there is one and science is not convinced. My latest thread can be an example of this too I guess but you couldnt even understand what was being said. Perhaps if you went to Sheldrakes website you would have a better idea of these plausible theories where the supernatural becomes natural.
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Science does not dis-prove un-qualified guesses, and doesn't have to. Science is so simple, that it can't be mis-understood. (for long)

To further Understanding, a tiny bit, create a test-able guess and Test it to prove your fine guess is in-correct. You DO NOT try to prove that it is right. Try to knock it down and move on. Be as rigorous as possible or your colleges will laugh you out of your job. It's got nothing to do with plausibility, until it rises to the level of Hypothesis to test. Science will dismiss nothing until it is tested. And it will consider nothing until a test is devised.

What are your tests? What rigor did you take to predict a result, before hand? What steps did you take to limit the test to give a straight up answer YES or NO to your educated guess.

Science exists because the improvement of the living conditions could not move forward with the backwards views of Spirit. Now you want Science to prove Spirit????

Science is convinced of one thing only. Proof, for all, to the current level of Understanding. People should realize that they were indoctrinated and that doesn't make Proof.

Chief, everyone believed at one point the earth was flat, the Sun revolved around the earth, and the stars were pin-pricks in our heavenly dome.......and they were wrong. But, you could have been burned to say otherwise.
 
blazinkill504

blazinkill504

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Heisenberg said:
Someone somewhere is just picking up the rope. To them, these topics are intriguing and unsorted. There is always someone looking for answers. I like the irony that a stoners den is the place I come to find realism.
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its cause they dont get high as fuck an really think about things.

to the op i dont bother with it anymore cause its a waste of energy. like i gotta new job where everyone loves jesus an i to talk to one of em but i get that brick wall jesus is real answer. so i dont even bother anymore. i shoulda learned from this forum that, but im hard headed an get frustrated at silly thoughts. cant help it.
 
Doer

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blazinkill504 said:
its cause they dont get high as fuck an really think about things.

to the op i dont bother with it anymore cause its a waste of energy. like i gotta new job where everyone loves jesus an i to talk to one of em but i get that brick wall jesus is real answer. so i dont even bother anymore. i shoulda learned from this forum that, but im hard headed an get frustrated at silly thoughts. cant help it.
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I think all the worlds' a mind game. Chasing Complexity. Getting it All Figured Out. To tell the Next Guy. How great We Are. You get these great and lengthy explaination about a fellow that quite possibly, never even existed.

Nothing can be done about them. The blind lead the blind. When we just stop trying to please Complexity. Stop trying to say why everyone else is wrong. When we see it is us that doesn't know shit and doesn't want to, the entire world turns to chase us. But we are detached.
We provide our meaning in our Life.

For example, an American Express Card, how I wanted that! Covet, Covet. But, I could get it. Finally, I got out of the sales rat race into a real job. Now, I don't want, need or think about American Express. But I have a Card in my wallet.

Just be an example of clam, non-chatty, clam. Everything will be fine if we just keep clams.
 
Doer

Doer

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CN said:"Eye, I consider it not unreasonable that faith had a midwife's role in the birth of science.
But science, even in its first baby steps, required a tabula rasa attitude: Start with a blank sheet. Make verifiable observations of the world around us. Build from there. Argue a lot. discard conclusions and patterns that can be damaged by an inconvenient fact."

Being in the computer game, how I wish for a blank sheet. But, my customers have these attitudes. What they cling to are not the best solutions, for our sales dept. They want to preserve the past, the fools. We need their money. So, not computers, but Church.

No tabula rasa there. To me science is born of the Church. "To show more the greater Glory", or some such was dream of Copernicus and Galileo, etc.

Boy, were they surprised! Not at the Church, that came later. They were surprised to find observation did not match Faith...the dawning of Science.

That kind of thing...not these famous ones, so much, are the strangled birth of science to me. And even today, or especially, as you will, there is no such thing as tabula rasa. not in science. Not anywhere. However,as you say, it is the minimum required attitude.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Doer said:
CN said:"Eye, I consider it not unreasonable that faith had a midwife's role in the birth of science.
But science, even in its first baby steps, required a tabula rasa attitude: Start with a blank sheet. Make verifiable observations of the world around us. Build from there. Argue a lot. discard conclusions and patterns that can be damaged by an inconvenient fact."

Being in the computer game, how I wish for a blank sheet. But, my customers have these attitudes. What they cling to are not the best solutions, for our sales dept. They want to preserve the past, the fools. We need their money. So, not computers, but Church.

No tabula rasa there. To me science is born of the Church. "To show more the greater Glory", or some such was dream of Copernicus and Galileo, etc.

Boy, were they surprised! Not at the Church, that came later. They were surprised to find observation did not match Faith...the dawning of Science.

That kind of thing...not these famous ones, so much, are the strangled birth of science to me. And even today, or especially, as you will, there is no such thing as tabula rasa. not in science. Not anywhere. However,as you say, it is the minimum required attitude.
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Yes; Galileo, Copernicus et al. were of and in the Church. Their lives were more than their research. But if you note, when they did science, they had a revolutionary idea: "Ignore Aristotle for the duration, and see what we get."
They had to have the ability to jettison existent doctrine, because without deciding that Aristotle was wrong (in explaining what they observed or calculated) they could not have drawn their heretical conclusions.
Only then did the Sun have planets, and those planets, moons.
But it required that both those investigators have an independent impulse to first, clear the table. cn
 
eye exaggerate

eye exaggerate

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...Hey you two, thanks for extending the post! What if philosophy were to go hand in hand with godly pursuits again? Push the red up a notch, push the blue up a notch - repeat until you're purple :shock:
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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eye exaggerate said:
...Hey you two, thanks for extending the post! What if philosophy were to go hand in hand with godly pursuits again? Push the red up a notch, push the blue up a notch - repeat until you're purple :shock:
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Unless you grow with LEDs or aquarium T5s, in which case you know "reddish blue" to be a color ... cn
 
Chief Walkin Eagle

Chief Walkin Eagle

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Doer said:
Science does not dis-prove un-qualified guesses, and doesn't have to. Science is so simple, that it can't be mis-understood. (for long)

To further Understanding, a tiny bit, create a test-able guess and Test it to prove your fine guess is in-correct. You DO NOT try to prove that it is right. Try to knock it down and move on. Be as rigorous as possible or your colleges will laugh you out of your job. It's got nothing to do with plausibility, until it rises to the level of Hypothesis to test. Science will dismiss nothing until it is tested. And it will consider nothing until a test is devised.

What are your tests? What rigor did you take to predict a result, before hand? What steps did you take to limit the test to give a straight up answer YES or NO to your educated guess.

Science exists because the improvement of the living conditions could not move forward with the backwards views of Spirit. Now you want Science to prove Spirit????

Science is convinced of one thing only. Proof, for all, to the current level of Understanding. People should realize that they were indoctrinated and that doesn't make Proof.

Chief, everyone believed at one point the earth was flat, the Sun revolved around the earth, and the stars were pin-pricks in our heavenly dome.......and they were wrong. But, you could have been burned to say otherwise.
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Lets say Spirit exists and the aspects of Spirit can be experienced consistently without science. How certain are you that no group of people have a true grasp on what Spirit is? You know nothing of it, yet you say science can take us farther because of beneficial yet unnecessary tech toys when theres a reality where science serves no purpose?

I dont need science to prove anything to me, Im just saying it can be applied to such concepts. Though I have also done tests to confirm I was experiencing the "supernatural" and after countless experiences, situations, circumstances, I was correct on my supernatural prediction, making the "supernatural", natural. Though out of my friends, I was the most excited about this discovery, wouldnt you be excited? Most of my friends were freaked out and were uncomfortable with what was happening so they avoided experiencing it and talking about it, but now theres a few that have grown to be humble about it, like me. When I was still amazed and astonished by what was happening there was one guy who was humble about it because he knew about it already. He experienced it willingly like it was nothing out of the ordinary. I always wondered why my spiritual friend replied to that quiet guy when he never said anything :wink:
 
blazinkill504

blazinkill504

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Doer said:
I think all the worlds' a mind game. Chasing Complexity. Getting it All Figured Out. To tell the Next Guy. How great We Are. You get these great and lengthy explaination about a fellow that quite possibly, never even existed.

Nothing can be done about them. The blind lead the blind. When we just stop trying to please Complexity. Stop trying to say why everyone else is wrong. When we see it is us that doesn't know shit and doesn't want to, the entire world turns to chase us. But we are detached.
We provide our meaning in our Life.

For example, an American Express Card, how I wanted that! Covet, Covet. But, I could get it. Finally, I got out of the sales rat race into a real job. Now, I don't want, need or think about American Express. But I have a Card in my wallet.

Just be an example of clam, non-chatty, clam. Everything will be fine if we just keep clams.
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some chase complexity while others just settle for ignorance. i feel religion is a philosophy of ignorance an that is somethin id rather just not deal with. lol one of the black dudes there was shocked when i told him there are more galaxies in the known universe than there is grains of sand on the earth an each one has hundreds of billions of stars like our sun. dude had the look on his face like he just saw a t-rex. lol shocked as fuck.
 
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stoned cockatoo said:
I learnt from my grasscity years to stay out of spirituality section. So I summoned my generic viagra Merkaba and proceded to inter dimensionally travel until I reached rollitup here look at these pictures of astral creatures I meet and draw in paint.
There is a member called dawnofwar over there that should seriously be in a mental home if he is not alread
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Excellent, these pictures of astral creatures are amazing.
 
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