The forbidden TRUTH

tyler.durden

tyler.durden

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ghostdriver said:
So this one observation that animals are made perfect for their purpose has lead you to believe that Humans and animals and all things come from bacteria which has also made earth, space, time, sun, moon, matter ect.?
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This is THE most unlearned statement I have EVER read, so kudos on that. NO ONE has ever said that bacteria, or any living thing, had anything to do with the formation of spacetime, or the bodies of the solar system. You don't seem to have even an elementary school education (which is why I asked you earlier if you were home schooled), and the least understanding of basic scientific concepts I have ever witnessed. This level of ignorance doesn't seem possible by anyone who has been regularly outside of their home in this Country. Perfect for their environment? -


It's pathetic that you've come to teach when you know so little. Sit back a learn something instead. At least this way you'll know what the fuck you're arguing against...
 
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ghostdriver

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tyler.durden said:
This is THE most unlearned statement I have EVER read, so kudos on that. NO ONE has ever said that bacteria, or any living thing, had anything to do with the formation of spacetime, or the bodies of the solar system. You don't seem to have even an elementary school education (which is why I asked you earlier if you were home schooled), and the least understanding of basic scientific concepts I have ever witnessed. This level of ignorance doesn't seem possible by anyone who has been regularly outside of their home in this Country. Perfect for their environment? -


It's pathetic that you've come to teach when you know so little. Sit back a learn something instead. At least this way you'll know what the fuck you're arguing against...
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In your video in talks about how we can't go into space, and how blessed we are GOD doesn't send a giant rock to kill us all. Yeah we are human and very fragile, your'e already dead chose where to go. Mankind has filled us with poison now, especially over the last 2,000 thousand years and we are some of the last generations. I say that but 3,000 years if The Great and Terrible day of THE LORD happens on a timeline we would be at last fraction of the end.
We also have been born into so much sin, offspring of millions probably billions of years of complete sinful generations.
 
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Ceepea

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You don't even make sense. lol

How can someone take your seriously when your responses don't even make a logical point?

Whales, if they were designed for the ocean wouldn't have leg bones. Why do we have tailbones if we never had tails? Goosebumps are a vestigial reaction they make you look larger than you are, they make your body hair seem bigger so you can scare off potential predators.Ever seen the hair on the back of a cat or dog stand up? Same thing.

Wings are very specific, and if flightless birds were going to have stabilizers there are countless better designs than a limb purposed for flying. Bad design.

Men have nipples and breast tissue.... all mammals do. It's as if we all had a common ancestor..... funny about that.
 
tyler.durden

tyler.durden

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ghostdriver said:
In your video in talks about how we can't go into space, and how blessed we are GOD doesn't send a giant rock to kill us all.
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It doesn't state anything of the sort, maybe you have a condition with which you are actually unable to learn. News flash we have been in space (moon landing, space stations, etc.). The video talks about how hostile an environment space is, and even here on Earth (that was esp. designed for humans, right?) we have tsunamis, super volcanoes, tornadoes, hurricanes, floods, we can't live on 2/3 of it's surface, and often freeze and starve to death on the remaining part that we're able to live. 99%+ of all life that has existed on this planet is now extinct, hardly a place made for us by a benevolent creator...
Yeah we are human and very fragile, your'e already dead chose where to go.
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You're right, that doesn't sound judgmental...
Mankind has filled us with poison now, especially over the last six thousand years and we are some of the last generations. I say that but 3,000 years if The Great and Terrible day of THE LORD happens on a timeline we would be at last fraction of the end.
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This last has nothing to do with my point or this video, just a desperate attempt to deflect from reality that makes you so uncomfortable...
 
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ghostdriver

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The "Hind" bone is actually their pelvic bone, and it also helps to anchor the male muscles in the penis in the males. Thus males have "Hind" bones.
Mankind has nipples because Woman was to be made from man to create a companion and for further generations nipples are needed. Thus mankind has nipples.
Some birds have wings but can't fly because they use them for swimming, GOD can make any creature GOD wants to have what ever it wants this doesn't drove darwinism this doesn't disprove GOD. Some possible reasons that they cannot fly besides the fact GOD made them that way could be. In fact in THE HOLY BIBLE these birds are considered "clean or Kosher- meaning clean in Hebrew. So GOD has made these flightless birds obviously (as well as other reasons i'm sure) for food. Also possible other things like mating and appearance may play a factoring role.
Goose bumps is a sign of aggression or fear just like facial emotions, no connection with people and creation coming from your "super life bacteria" you speak of that claims makes all things and has always been...
 
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tyler.durden said:
It doesn't state anything of the sort, maybe you have a condition with which you are actually unable to learn. News flash we have been in space (moon landing, space stations, etc.). The video talks about how hostile an environment space is, and even here on Earth (that was esp. designed for humans, right?) we have tsunamis, super volcanoes, tornadoes, hurricanes, floods, we can't live on 2/3 of it's surface, and often freeze and starve to death on the remaining part that we're able to live. 99%+ of all life that has existed on this planet is now extinct, hardly a place made for us by a benevolent creator...


You're right, that doesn't sound judgmental...


This last has nothing to do with my point or this video, just a desperate attempt to deflect from reality that makes you so uncomfortable...
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If you don't think earth was made to support life your'e horribly wrong there is 7 billion people in the world, and you are one of them.
And saying that your'e already dead and to chose where to go isn't judgmental. If I insulted you, or said "I know your'e going to hell" that's passing judgment.
 
Ceepea

Ceepea

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ghostdriver said:
The "Hind" bone is actually their pelvic bone, and it also helps to anchor the male muscles in the penis in the males. Thus males have "Hind" bones.
Mankind has nipples because Woman was to be made from made to create a companion and for further generations nipples are needed. Thus mankind has nipples.
Some birds have wings but can't fly because they use them for swimming, GOD can make any creature GOD wants to have what ever it wants this doesn't drove darwinism this doesn't disprove GOD. Some possible reasons that they cannot fly besides the fact GOD made them that way could be. In fact in THE HOLY BIBLE these birds are considered "clean or Kosher- meaning clean in Hebrew. So GOD has made these flightless birds obviously (as well as other reasons i'm sure) for food. Also possible other things like mating and appearance may play a factoring role.
Goose bumps is a sign of aggression or fear just like facial emotions, no connection with people and creation coming from you "super life bacteria" you speak of that claims makes all things and has always been...
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We have a pretty damn good fossil record following the loss of their legs.

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It's not just a pelvic bone, they're vestigial legs. There's actually fossils and skeletons of the undeveloped legs. This isn't a theory, we have actual evidence to support this claim.



See the pelvis? and then the small legs coming off of it? This is a baleen whale, btw.


You didn't actually address anything I said either. I'm not stating an opinion about goosebumps either, it's a fucking fact.


http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2010/01/27/vestigial-organ—goosebumps/
 
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ghostdriver

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Ceepea said:
We have a pretty damn good fossil record following the loss of their legs.

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It's not just a pelvic bone, they're vestigial legs. There's actually fossils and skeletons of the undeveloped legs. This isn't a theory, we have actual evidence to support this claim.



See the pelvis? and then the small legs coming off of it? This is a baleen whale, btw.


You didn't actually address anything I said either. I'm not stating an opinion about goosebumps either, it's a fucking fact.


http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2010/01/27/vestigial-organ—goosebumps/
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http://www.trueorigin.org/ng_whales01.asp LOL National Geographic November 2001
 
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ghostdriver

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Fossil remains of the extinct mammal Pakicetus inachus, to give it its proper name, first came onto the agenda in 1983. P. D. Gingerich and his assistants, who found the fossil, had no hesitation in immediately claiming that it was a ‘primitive whale,’ even though they actually only found a skull.

Yet the fossil has absolutely no connection with the whale. Its skeleton turned out to be a four-footed structure, similar to that of common wolves. It was found in a region full of iron ore, and containing fossils of such terrestrial creatures as snails, tortoises or crocodiles. In other words, it was part of a land stratum, not an aquatic one.

I mean I could copy and paste all day, but you have the link
http://www.trueorigin.org/ng_whales01.asp
I can always provide more info. That short magazine article in 2001 has been proven horribly wrong. So there isn't a shred of evidence to suggest a theory or lack of a theory of Human beings, animals, or anything growing from your illogical "one celled organism" Yes we have bacteria but this was also created. Bacteria didn't make creation, then transform or evovle into mankind nor the any animals suddenly like some pokemon episode. Bacteria is a microscopic thing I suggest you look up what it is, and what it can and can't do. I know you said your "special single cell organism" created everything water,sun,light, but since there isn't a actually creature that can evolve and make millions of copies of its self and then make atoms and ect. I will just use the term bacteria.
So you believe something that makes no sense, no evidence, full of claims proving false, and something that is completely impossible.
But when someone has overwhelming proof at the highest extant, and provides all the answers without contradictions you insult them and call them crazy? Call me illogical? Billions of people have witnessed miracles, billions of witness of GOD. Not one witness for darwins cult can say they know the truth or even show any evidence what so ever to think what they think.
 
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tyler.durden

tyler.durden

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ghostdriver said:
If you don't think earth was made to support life your'e horribly wrong there is 7 billion people in the world, and you are one of them.
And saying that your'e already dead and to chose where to go isn't judgmental. If I insulted you, or said "I know your'e going to hell" that's passing judgment.
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There are 7 billion people because human technology (i.e. science) has surpassed nature in taking care of us: if we currently find ourselves in a colder climate, we don't simply perish or wait for evolution to lead to a thicker coating of hair, we build insulated dwelling with artificial heaters. Through science, we can also foretell the weather, track major, life-threatening storms via satellite to either prepare or evacuate. Through technology we have learned to tame agriculture to the point that we can produce ten times the food on one tenth the space. Science has more than doubled our lifespans within the last 200 years, and we now control or have wiped out major diseases. We can also clean water and eliminate the salt, and perhaps in the future we can colonize the oceans. It is science, not nature or a god, that allows us to be 7 billion. Thanks for making my point for me...
 
tyler.durden

tyler.durden

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ghostdriver said:
http://www.trueorigin.org/ng_whales01.asp LOL National Geographic November 2001
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Trueorigin.org is a quack pseudo science site that is biased and has the agenda of not discovering the truth, but hiding/twisting it in order to lend credibility to the retarded, non-scientific concept of creationism. If you are going to defend yourself with science, you must do it with credible, peer-reviewed sources, because quoting misinformation from specious sources is showing your dishonesty...
 
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ghostdriver

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tyler.durden said:
There are 7 billion people because human technology (i.e. science) has surpassed nature in taking care of us: if we currently find ourselves in a colder climate, we don't simply perish or wait for evolution to lead to a thicker coating of hair, we build insulated dwelling with artificial heaters. Through science, we can also foretell the weather, track major, life-threatening storms via satellite to either prepare or evacuate. Through technology we have learned to tame agriculture to the point that we can produce ten times the food on one tenth the space. Science has more than doubled our lifespans within the last 200 years, and we now control or have wiped out major diseases. We can also clean water and eliminate the salt, and perhaps in the future we can colonize the oceans. It is science, not nature or a god, that allows us to be 7 billion. Thanks for making my point for me...
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Well who made man smart enough to take care of himself? How do you think mankind has lived here for billions of years without science? Why do you think this proves me as a liar?
 
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ghostdriver

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tyler.durden said:
Trueorigin.org is a quack pseudo science site that is biased and has the agenda of not discovering the truth, but hiding/twisting it in order to lend credibility to the retarded, non-scientific concept of creationism. If you are going to defend yourself with science, you must do it with credible, peer-reviewed sources, because quoting misinformation from specious sources is showing your dishonesty...
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No it is a fact the animals skeletons your'e trying to show "evolve" are not at all even in the same species.
Like Pakicetus a type of k9 wolf that lives ion land http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakicetus Also note when it says "the vast majority of paleontologists regard it as the most basal whale." Well yeah there are a lot of people now a days just trying to prove there sin is okay, but just because more "paleontologist" think evolution from bacteria to humans is real then the ones that don't, doesn't give anyone evidence. Numbers in groups of opinion isn't evidence. IF there was any evidence ALL paleontologist would agree.
Thinking that Packicetus became Ambulocetus is ludicrous and that's the first one so need I go on? Little three foot tall wolf became a whale, how? Because we have extinct creatures skeletons that look nothing alike yet we line them up and tell you this. There is no evidence to suggest a "special single celled organism" transformed into humans, animals, plants, marijuana ect. Not to mention your theory on matter, water, light, creation in general. Not 7 extinct skeletons that look nothing alike, or anything you have stated.
 
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Dislexicmidget2021

Dislexicmidget2021

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Well I love you and i'm glad your'e looking forward to it.

you love me? thats just creepy

Also why do you believe a religion with zero evidence?

What religion would you be reffering to?

Just the obvious observation that animals body's are designed specifically for their lifestyle doesn't mean bacteria is slowly evolving into humans. This observation clearly screams creation. The fact that you think small bacteria is forming into animals and humans is beyond irrational

,oh how the pot calls the kettle black.Beyond irrational?LOL 40 pages of clear and rational rebuttal to your claims couldnt get it through your thick skull that we are a product of evolution,,hmmmm that classifies you as beyond irrational IMO.

So this one observation that animals are made perfect for their purpose has lead you to believe that Humans and animals and all things come from bacteria which has also made earth, space, time, sun, moon, matter ect.?

This one observation?There have been countless observations showing the evolutionary aspect of our species to be the correct one NOT THE CREATIONIST point of view which has yielded nothing but speculative conjecture.We are able to observe the evolutionary steps of life with the scientific method and find signs of our biological origins in the simplest of organisms,there is an overwhelming amount of evidence supporting this.Its your loss for not having taken Science class with any sincere will to learn.
BTW bacteria is not responsible for the formation of the Earth,Space,Time,Sun,Moon and all other matter.
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There isn't a connection with anything your'e saying.
Literally everything you, me, history, matter is all evidence of GOD's creation.
Not to mention the forty two pages I provided, with my own personal testimony.
Also I will be posting another few pages of information, pictures, and videos soon

I could personaly provide a testimony of Odin and the great Kthulu and how they battle for mankinds survival and destruction eternaly.The all-father Odin is responsible for creation, not Jesus Christs Father ,God or JeZeus.Believing it dosent make it any more of an objective reality,its just a fantasy made up to explain and cope with reality afterall.
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tyler.durden

tyler.durden

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ghostdriver said:
Well who made man smart enough to take care of himself?
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That is a logical fallacy entitled Begging the Question - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

There is no evidence man was 'created', so your very question has no foundation...
How do you think mankind has lived here for billions of years without science?
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Under great hardship, subjected to survival of the fittest which is a brutal way to live (just like all other animals in the wild). The discovery of science makes our lives increasingly easier and better, and took us out of the food chain...
Why do you think this proves me as a liar?
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None of what I stated proves you a liar, evolution and christianity are not mutually exclusive. But knowing nothing about the fact of evolution by natural selection while attempting to debunk it, you necessarily have to use lies and misinformation. The only other alternative would be study (YIKES!!!)
 
tyler.durden

tyler.durden

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ghostdriver said:
No it is a fact the animals skeletons your'e trying to show "evolve" are not at all even in the same species.
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Thanks again for making our point: They are NOT the same species, evolution is the process of creatures evolving FROM ONE SPECIES TO ANOTHER! :clap::roll:
 
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No 7 different skeletons doesn't prove your theory of all things being created from "single celled organism"
Even if you line them up a certain order, the difference between the two animals in no way suggest a slow process of mutation. But rather different species that are extinct. The theory that you state is beyond jumping to conclusions.
Also you asked what religion? Well there is only way to worship GOD which has been written down since the dawn of creation. And these Pagan religions are filled with contradictions, thus making them impossible. If you want me to explain how a certain religion is contradicting just ask which one. As far as evidence you can literally pick anything and it's evidence of creation, and disproves darwinism. Or read some of the 43 pages, and I still have so much more to post I can't describe. Darwinism is literally one of the most obscure and irrational religion there is, obviously their is a creator. I said "one of" because people who worship satan knowingly are just irrational and insane.



tyler.durden said:
That is a logical fallacy entitled Begging the Question - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

There is no evidence man was 'created', so your very question has no foundation...


Under great hardship, subjected to survival of the fittest which is a brutal way to live (just like all other animals in the wild). The discovery of science makes our lives increasingly easier and better, and took us out of the food chain...


None of what I stated proves you a liar, evolution and christianity are not mutually exclusive. But knowing nothing about the fact of evolution by natural selection while attempting to debunk it, you necessarily have to use lies and misinformation. The only other alternative would be study (YIKES!!!)
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You think because GOD ALMIGHTY is the beginning and the end, you can state that the universe can be the same because it's following the same principal? That's completely erroneous. The only reason GOD is before everything is because GOD is a living omnipotent being that you cannot fathom. Before the beginning GOD was.
Sound confusing? You cannot fathom who you people continue to blaspheme. This is the only explanation of creation, fact.
Survival of the fittest is a completely different topic explaining how the stronger or more attractive animals gets mates, and how in combat the stronger animal wins. Or how certain creatures can with stand certain things others cant. Often strong species are killed and destroyed because of man, this has nothing to do with darwins crazy theory...

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Thanks again for making our point: They are NOT the same species, evolution shows creatures evolving FROM ONE SPECIES TO ANOTHER! :clap::roll:
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Yeah 7 different species of skeletons that hold no connection to each other?
 
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ghostdriver

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I guess at least you three must of thought I was lying when I told you my experiences and miracles on page 40, seeing how the conversation we had today took place after I posted. I hope now after debunking your cult religion you will believe me.
Hope the best for you guys.
Love,
Me
 
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