The forbidden TRUTH

tyler.durden

tyler.durden

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ghostdriver said:
Oh I just saw your post Durden and, insults ins't a form of communicating.
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You're right, but all the valid points (which you chose again not to address) surrounding them are. The insults are not meant as ad hominem attacks, they are my reflection of what you are demonstrating here...
I think the author knows the truth and plants deception by intermingling truth with fiction, so they can show you what life is about and have you still not understand, and confuse you more.
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Well, it certainly seems to have worked on you...

Just like people talking GOD's words and making denominations, Politics, natural drugs. These movies like Fight club, matrix, deception all are mocking your lack of understand, making you more confused and show boating about the truth they know they being illuminati. They are lost too, they just happen to know GOD is real and so is satan and the rest of those devils. But they choose to worship satan because they love sin not GOD
Ceepea I answered, you just can't understand.
rollajoint, Yes the world leaders work and worship Satan and are in a group known as the illuminati. Also the real people who pull the strings to the puppets metaphorically speaking of course, we don't even see or vote into power. Won't be mentioning demonic experiences today yet again, maybe for the best I mean anyone can go get a weegee board or do Evil magic and have demonic experiences, I didn't do any witchcraft in that sense to experience what I have seen, and so forth. I did a lot of sin and got really close to absolute darkness, then got saved. Soon as I started to take my actions seriously, and accept responsibility for my actions, it was like going into a spirit world, twilight zone experiences LOL Everything was different when I started to do this.. But the truth was it was always like this was I was just too blinded by my own lustf, greed, and vanity. The only thing that changed was me
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Illuminati, demons, deities, conspiracy theories, ouija boards: belief in these things are the signs of a confused and untrained child-like mind. Again, I am not saying this to insult you, I am simply commenting on what you are displaying. Have you even peeked at the list of logical fallacies I posted for you? Of course not, and why? Because you are not interested in improving your thinking or learning about reality, you are convinced and content with your comic book ideas regardless of their credibility. There is no empirical evidence for any of the things you posted above, so why would any adults be interested? Notice how no one seems interested in supporting your thread, even the theists. It seems you are wasting your time. Why not start threads on sites that have members with a similar mind set as yourself that share your unfounded beliefs? You don't seem to be faring very well here in regards to learning or teaching...
 
thepenofareadywriter

thepenofareadywriter

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ghostdriver said:
Ceepea, Yes GOD knew all that was going to happen, why do I need to repeat something that's in writing? THIS IS ALL MADE FOR MANKIND. To experience the truth of GOD, which there in lays the glory of GOD. Just because GOD knows what we are going to do before we do it, does not mean we do not have free will. If GOD made us so we didn't choose, what we chose, then it wouldn't be free will. Yes GOD set the stage and started the show and knows the ending (or lack there of a ending) but EVERYONE has a choice.
Penofareadywriter,
[2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God,]---what is this from? The HOLY BIBLE contains the direct word of GOD sir. From people who have seen and spoken to him.
I'm just repeating myself and telling you two the information I strongly suggested you research yourselves.
Furthermore you are not arguing facts, nor stating anything but things like "There is no possible way you can prove the bible is the word of god." and "The Big bang is true" not evolution but a big bang? There probably was a astronomical bang when God made creation. No one is providing any of there obscure and incoherent thoughts evidence. I brought you pages, videos, general perception should be enough, but all of these were provided. You did not Read The Book of Enoch, probably didn't research anything or meditate on what I said, or try the power of prayer through JESUS CHRIST. You are skimming through what I said and copying and pasting questions, asking the same questions, which are clearly provided in the letter you are copying and pasting! Then saying I'm wrong and you know better but provide no additional information, this is just spamming my thread. I ask that you take MY thread seriously and only reply when willing to have a intellectual conversation regarding sharing and listening to information. Responding to such replies is just wasting my time and making it harder to answer questions of those who are taking this most important matter seriously.
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[2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God,]---what is this from? The HOLY BIBLE contains the direct word of GOD sir. From people who have seen and spoken to him. will mr.
ghostdriver said:
Ceepea, Yes GOD knew all that was going to happen, why do I need to repeat something that's in writing? THIS IS ALL MADE FOR MANKIND. To experience the truth of GOD, which there in lays the glory of GOD. Just because GOD knows what we are going to do before we do it, does not mean we do not have free will. If GOD made us so we didn't choose, what we chose, then it wouldn't be free will. Yes GOD set the stage and started the show and knows the ending (or lack there of a ending) but EVERYONE has a choice.
Penofareadywriter,
[2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God,]---what is this from? The HOLY BIBLE contains the direct word of GOD sir. From people who have seen and spoken to him.
I'm just repeating myself and telling you two the information I strongly suggested you research yourselves.
Furthermore you are not arguing facts, nor stating anything but things like "There is no possible way you can prove the bible is the word of god." and "The Big bang is true" not evolution but a big bang? There probably was a astronomical bang when God made creation. No one is providing any of there obscure and incoherent thoughts evidence. I brought you pages, videos, general perception should be enough, but all of these were provided. You did not Read The Book of Enoch, probably didn't research anything or meditate on what I said, or try the power of prayer through JESUS CHRIST. You are skimming through what I said and copying and pasting questions, asking the same questions, which are clearly provided in the letter you are copying and pasting! Then saying I'm wrong and you know better but provide no additional information, this is just spamming my thread. I ask that you take MY thread seriously and only reply when willing to have a intellectual conversation regarding sharing and listening to information. Responding to such replies is just wasting my time and making it harder to answer questions of those who are taking this most important matter seriously.
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[2Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God,]---what is this from? it is from your holy bible !
 
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ghostdriver

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Okay here we go again...:wall:
Ceepea YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT GOD KNOWS, and therefore you cannot make a decision to do the opposite of whatever you would normally do!?!?!?!
Durden your not saying anything other than I can't prove GOD to you and you won't do research or try to communicate with GOD and I can't make you.. LOL Is this your excuse of why it's okay for people to live in sin? You know and I know what is wrong and this lack of a excuse isn't a excuse.
Pen do you know what inspiration means? here Inspiration-
    • the divine influence believed to have led to the writing of the Bible.
  2. AND the drawing in of breath; inhalation............... here is another translation of the Timothy 3 :16 if you have trouble with the definition of inspiration.
  3. "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. " I'm off to go enjoy the marijuana herb GOD made!
 
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ghostdriver

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All are welcome to my thread, but repeating the same thing over and over, while using insults, while I take the time to answer over and over again is not very polite. Also I will not be taking the time to watch these horrible movie clips that insult GOD, Lord Christ, and mans general intelligence. I saw all those horrible movies in high school I don't need to see anymore, why do atheist revolve their life's around movies? This isn't a movie this is real life lol to anyone who hasn't noticed
 
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ghostdriver

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Watching pulp fiction and fight club and such over and over...Man...like what are you doing with your life...GO outside people, get some sun, go hiking or fishing or something..I have seen people who like know every line to these cult movies
 
Ceepea

Ceepea

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ghostdriver said:
Okay here we go again...:wall:
Ceepea YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT GOD KNOWS, and therefore you cannot make a decision to do the opposite of whatever you would normally do!?!?!?!
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It doesn't matter if I know what god knows. The point is that, GOD KNOWS. If god knows what will happen, it is impossible for something else to happen. If there is only one thing that can happen, it means the future is fated. If the future is fated, certain events must happen and you do not really have a choice. Therefore, free will is an illusion if god knows what will happen.

Refute my argument. You can't.

Durden your not saying anything other than I can't prove GOD to you and you won't do research or try to communicate with GOD and I can't make you.. LOL Is this your excuse of why it's okay for people to live in sin?
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Actually, he said he already tried, and nothing happened. You keep falling back on the same retarded comments.

Mother Teresa spent a lifetime 'loving god', and died an atheist. If all you need to do is ask, MT would have been at the top of the pile. Your logic isn't poor, it's fucking non-existent. You're not currently capable of debating critical thinkers.

You know and I know what is wrong and this lack of a excuse isn't a excuse.
Pen do you know what inspiration means? here Inspiration-
    • the divine influence believed to have led to the writing of the Bible.
  2. AND the drawing in of breath; inhalation............... here is another translation of the Timothy 3 :16 if you have trouble with the definition of inspiration.
  3. "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. " I'm off to go enjoy the marijuana herb GOD made!
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Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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ghostdriver said:
All are welcome to my thread, but repeating the same thing over and over, while using insults, while I take the time to answer over and over again is not very polite. Also I will not be taking the time to watch these horrible movie clips that insult GOD, Lord Christ, and mans general intelligence. I saw all those horrible movies in high school I don't need to see anymore, why do atheist revolve their life's around movies? This isn't a movie this is real life lol to anyone who hasn't noticed
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You should question yourself before you question anyone else. You're defensive because the questions presented to you make you uncomfortable and you don't have an answer for them that, deep down, you know is sufficient. You know simply saying "because God" isn't good enough. Be honest with yourself
 
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ghostdriver

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I'm not trying to offend anyone, I'm just trying to get one to look at what the media push's at people and how this word kool came into effect. I answered all your questions it's not my fault ceepea is baffled by GOD knowing what you are going to do before you do it.
 
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ghostdriver

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I saw your pic about the HOLY BIBLE, If you tried the BIBLE and repented under Jesus Christ and followed GOD's laws after. You would KNOW too.
 
Ceepea

Ceepea

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ghostdriver said:
I'm not trying to offend anyone, I'm just trying to get one to look at what the media push's at people and how this word kool came into effect. I answered all your questions it's not my fault ceepea is baffled by GOD knowing what you are going to do before you do it.
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There's nothing baffling about it, I've shown the logical conclusion to the question of free will when an omniscient being exists. Omniscience, by default means that things have to play out a certain way. You're the one who's failed to demonstrate a single point, in any way shape or form. You've offered nothing.... other than saying 'just because god is omniscient doesn't mean free will doesn't exist'. You realize that's the sum of your arguemnt, right? You know you've offered literally zero counter argument and everyone reading this can easily see that, right?

I'll ask you again,

If god knows you will do something @ a specific time, on a specific day, what are the chances that you don't do that?

You still haven't answered....
 
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ghostdriver

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GOD has sent numerous thing's to people to get them to a relationship. I'm currently one to you, if you read about the post that pen asked about

"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. "

So knowing that GOD like I was saying, has sent numerous uncountable things to people to draw them near to GOD, they CHOOSE to seek GOD or CHOOSE not to. Now learning from the paragraph Pen talked about, we know that the HOLY BIBLE is useful for teaching us how to live appropriately which sets us down a different path. The path of righteousness which changes our life's events, and outcomes for our soul's. So although GOD knows if you will listen to these signs or not. You still have a choice, and you can't say you don't because right now at your keyboard you can decide to agree or disagree.

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See how GOD gave us the answer you seek when I wasn't explaining it the manner which you seek, blessing from GOD hope you all read that. Ceepea read it twice you too pen
 
Ceepea

Ceepea

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FIRST OFF, YOU STILL HAVEN'T ANSWERED THE QUESTION....

You're either incapable because you're too dumb, or the answer makes you so butthurt you can't bring yourself to say it.

ghostdriver said:
GOD has sent numerous thing's to people to get them to a relationship.
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Prove it. How do you know this? What actual proof do you have?

I'm currently one to you, if you read about the post that pen asked about

"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. "
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Why should anyone trust anything the bible says?

So knowing that GOD like I was saying, has sent numerous uncountable things to people to draw them near to GOD, they CHOOSE to seek GOD or CHOOSE not to.
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Do they ever choose or seek the opposite of what god saw them doing, before the universe was created? If everyone lives out gods future vision from before the universe existed, then no one has free will. We're all just dancing according to what god has laid out for us.

Now learning from the paragraph Pen talked about, we know that the HOLY BIBLE is useful for teaching us how to live appropriately which sets us down a different path.
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The bible is the least appropriate book ever. It's full of hate, and bigotry.

The path of righteousness which changes our life's events, and outcomes for our soul's. So although GOD knows if you will listen to these signs or not.
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NOPE. If god KNOWS what you'll do, there is no option to do the opposite. You might think you have a choice, you might wrestle internally with what to do, but in all actuality, you were destined to choose what god had envisioned. You fate was sealed as soon as god created the universe and set it in motion according to his will.

You still have a choice, and you can't say you don't because right now at your keyboard you can decide to agree or disagree.
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In my head, I can go back and forth between things I might or might not say, but the outcome of what I will do was already decided long ago when god created the universe.... if god exists. You still haven't told me how it's possible to choose the opposite of what god has foretold. Please explain, or make yourself look even dumber by sidestepping the question again. Your call. This isn't a trick question, I'm not sure why you're having so much difficulty answering my simple questions.... unless you don't have answers.

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See how GOD gave us the answer you seek when I wasn't explaining it the manner which you seek, blessing from GOD hope you all read that. Ceepea read it twice you too pen
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You're a dumbass.
 
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Ceepea

Ceepea

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New question;

If everyone has free will regardless of god being omniscient; What would have happened if Eve didn't eat the apple, or Satan didn't betray god? Those were all things god knew would happen. What happens when god, a perfect being, is wrong?
 
Ceepea

Ceepea

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The only way to know, 100% sure that something is going to happen is if these two criteria are met;

1) You have a guiding hand in making 'it' happen. (Fated events)
2) And nothing can stop you from making that 'thing' happen. (Omnipotence)

God meets the criteria, if he were to exist, but free will cannot exist if these to criteria are met.
 
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ghostdriver

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also ceepea insults are not communicating, remember
Name Calling or general rude behavior is no longer acceptable in the Cafe, We are adults which means that we should be able to debate without resorting to name calling. Warnings will be given out if users fail to act appropriately.
 
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ghostdriver

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He who can read, let him see how GOD revealed to us the in depth answer to this mans questions by providing the answer in pens question quoted from the HOLY BIBLE above
 
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