The French Cannoli` Hash Thread

qwizoking

qwizoking

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"the resin glands stay whole within their protectives membranes until dry. You then press to Decarboxylate (activation of THCA), bind the terpenes to the Cannabinoids and create a mass of resin that will cure and age holding its quality" cool makes sense enough..though I'm not sure cannabinoids and terpenes can just merge together the volatile properties remain...so one more question, why decarb? Or is it more of a byproduct of the pressure and heat you use to combine them and break the glands
 
Frenchy Cannoli

Frenchy Cannoli

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qwizoking said:
"the resin glands stay whole within their protectives membranes until dry. You then press to Decarboxylate (activation of THCA), bind the terpenes to the Cannabinoids and create a mass of resin that will cure and age holding its quality" cool makes sense enough..though I'm not sure cannabinoids and terpenes can just merge together the volatile properties remain...so one more question, why decarb? Or is it more of a byproduct of the pressure and heat you use to combine them and break the glands
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The decarboxylation activate the THC, THCA become THC. Yes cannabinoids and terpenes are bound through pressing, I will have soon for you studies from Harvard on it thanks to CA
 
beuffer420

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So I saw a greenhouse vid from Columbia yesterday, they had their hash broke down into flakes they let it dry and then put it through what looked like what hamburger goes through to get packaged like a huge meat press, what was that thing? It came out from the process looking like some amber tar.
 
qwizoking

qwizoking

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Sweet I'd love to read something on it. Is it only the pressing that binds them? Seeing as hash oil has these heads dissolved and ruptured I would think they could combine as well..but if this were true how does distillation acquire a pure product and in fact can be used to isolate different compounds, if vaping your hash do you then average out the temp needed to vape, thcv for example boils at 420... and you didn't answer, I understand thca is decarboxylated to thc I was asking why you decarboxylated, or if that was a byproduct of you using heat and pressure attempting to merge turpenoids
 
Frenchy Cannoli

Frenchy Cannoli

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beuffer420 said:
So I saw a greenhouse vid from Columbia yesterday, they had their hash broke down into flakes they let it dry and then put it through what looked like what hamburger goes through to get packaged like a huge meat press, what was that thing? It came out from the process looking like some amber tar.
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Give us the link my friend, it sounds interesting and like "Deja Vu"
 
Frenchy Cannoli

Frenchy Cannoli

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qwizoking said:
Sweet I'd love to read something on it. Is it only the pressing that binds them? Seeing as hash oil has these heads dissolved and ruptured I would think they could combine as well..but if this were true how does distillation acquire a pure product and in fact can be used to isolate different compounds, if vaping your hash do you then average out the temp needed to vape, thcv for example boils at 420... and you didn't answer, I understand thca is decarboxylated to thc I was asking why you decarboxylated, or if that was a byproduct of you using heat and pressure attempting to merge turpenoids
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We are loosing some in translation here.
So you Decarboxylate (220 to 240 F for 20 to 30 min) to activate the THCA into THC. There is no "byproduct" when using heat and pressure but Hashish is created that way. There is hundreds of thousands of years of traditions behind the heat and pressure and science prove them right
 
qwizoking

qwizoking

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I agree....I was asking if decarboxylation was the consequence of you heating and adding pressure in attempt to merge terpenoids or something or if you were intentionally decarbing. If so why do you intentionally decarb....and science doesn't prove them right till you give a link
 
beuffer420

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I'm new to all this link stuff but on YouTube type in the kings of cannabis (full length documentary) the hash thing is at about 5 mins 20 sec into the video. Sorry my Internet skills are still in the making.
 
Frenchy Cannoli

Frenchy Cannoli

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qwizoking said:
I agree....I was asking if decarboxylation was the consequence of you heating and adding pressure in attempt to merge terpenoids or something or if you were intentionally decarbing. If so why do you intentionally decarb....and science doesn't prove them right till you give a link
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Yes I do intentionally decarb as has been done since the dawn of time as for the science part would you GOOGLE decarboxylation and come back to me, it would make it easier I would think
 
Frenchy Cannoli

Frenchy Cannoli

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pimpish1 said:
I think this is the vid beuffer420 was speaking of . At 5:43 into the vid he puts hash into a meat grinder . It looks like taffy
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VwRIZHOHBLE
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You must waste a lot to use such a machine but it does the job of "fusing" the resin together beautifully I have to say.
Would you kindly avoid bringing anything to do with the Strain Hunters to this thread, I have a problem with the way they act
 
qwizoking

qwizoking

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...I know what decarboxylation is. Do you? The carboxyl group is broken by removal of either h20 or co2 in application to weed we focus on removal of h20 normally with dehydration or heat our lighter does the same thing instantaneously which is why I'm wondering why you decarbed, as it releases terpines and degrades thc, so does light chlorine acids oxygen and any other oxidizer, thc is very delicate. I do a hexane/saline wash and an etoh wash, I also decarb without heat to preserve nearly all turpines and produce a pure oil that tastes like the bud it came from, and evaporates completely clean.....You said you had some article
 
Frenchy Cannoli

Frenchy Cannoli

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qwizoking said:
...I know what decarboxylation is. Do you? The carboxyl group is broken by removal of either h20 or co2 in application to weed we focus on removal of h20 normally with dehydration or heat our lighter does the same thing instantaneously which is why I'm wondering why you decarbed, as it releases terpines and degrades thc, so does light chlorine acids oxygen and any other oxidizer, thc is very delicate. I do a hexane/saline wash and an etoh wash, I also decarb without heat to preserve nearly all turpines and produce a pure oil that tastes like the bud it came from, and evaporates completely clean.....You said you had some article
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We are not talking about the same process
Please read the following article:
http://cannabischris.com/2012/10/decarboxylation-of-cannabis/#.UgVLYxahD0c
 
qwizoking

qwizoking

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Uh....right. English isn't your 1st language? I understand decarbing and all aspects of it.....I'm confused.....so why do you decarb?

Are you gonna provide the study of how you somehow morph terpenoids to somehow attach them to the heavier thc and keep then from flying away? I thought that's how processes such as vacuum distillation were based
 
Frenchy Cannoli

Frenchy Cannoli

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qwizoking said:
Uh....right. English isn't your 1st language? I understand decarbing and all aspects of it.....I'm confused.....so why do you decarb?

Are you gonna provide the study of how you somehow morph terpenoids to somehow attach them to the heavier thc and keep then from flying away? I thought that's how processes such as vacuum distillation were based
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Check the link and see why I decarb, English is not my first language but good enough to understand what is decarboxylation of THCA into THC. Read it and learn some
 
qwizoking

qwizoking

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Yes I also told you what it was. Decarboxylation is the removal of carboxyl chain, its broken(decarbed) by removal of h2o or co2. To remove co2 you would make it undergo a chemical reaction normally an acid to solution releasing co2 bubbles or a similar method..we normally focus on decarbing (breaking the carboxyl chain) by removing h2o because all it is, is water meaning you can break the chain by heating and evaporating out the water or you can let this happen naturally overtime. That chart was a function of heat decarbing thca to thc and it degrading by that heat.. I understand perfectly. You are not making sense. Why do you decarb? We aren't trying to make it orally active as we are smoking it...explain why you deem it necessary to decarb something you are going to decarb anyway with a lighter....then explain how you think turpinoids merge together to form some super terp that has a variable boiling point..
 
Frenchy Cannoli

Frenchy Cannoli

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qwizoking said:
Yes I also told you what it was. Decarboxylation is the removal of carboxyl chain, its broken(decarbed) by removal of h2o or co2. To remove co2 you would make it undergo a chemical reaction normally an acid to solution releasing co2 bubbles or a similar method..we normally focus on decarbing (breaking the carboxyl chain) by removing h2o because all it is, is water meaning you can break the chain by heating and evaporating out the water or you can let this happen naturally overtime. That chart was a function of heat decarbing thca to thc and it degrading by that heat.. I understand perfectly. You are not making sense. Why do you decarb? We aren't trying to make it orally active as we are smoking it...explain why you deem it necessary to decarb something you are going to decarb anyway with a lighter....then explain how you think turpinoids merge together to form some super terp that has a variable boiling point..
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ENGLISH IS YOUR FIRST LANGUAGE???
So why do you have such a problem understanding the concept of activating THC through Decarb, I do get the removal of the carboxyl chain but you seems to have a problem grasping the process with cannabis.
 
qwizoking

qwizoking

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I'll try and simplify this...why do you prefer this method over hash oil, or even regular kief. You lose a lot of the terpines by decarbing using heat or decarbing anyway. I wanted to know why you add heat and pressure to your hash. All that does is break down thc and release terpines...why do you decarb and why do you think terpines merge together, to form a new compound? I understand chemistry perfectly I wish you would just explain yourself or provide links if you are illiterate

Decarboxylating makes it orally active the acid form has difficulty crossing the blood brain barrier, try smoking cocaine then freebase it and make crack then they and smoke it.... but the kicker is it gets decarbed when your lighter hits it so their is no need with thc unless its an edible
 
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