The Grow II (Shining Silver Haze) W/LED Illuminator- Soil to Dwc Grow

So fuck all!!! I'm gonna test some standalone tap water. Ill pH adjust it then see what happens 3 hrs after! Damnit! My girls don't look like I want them to. they don't look like they are ready to take on life, more like they are preparing for fucking death!!! They're all limp dicked and all!!!! even the young buds are pointing AWAY from the light. I'm wondering if it's heat (Well Ok my wife said heat, I think she's been doin research without me!!!!) i did just turn on the heater since I thought 18 res temp might be a bit chilly but I guess 64F is just about right.

Even if the temp is ok this drifting ph is kicking my ass dude. Gotta figure out a plan...


Pure...

Wow, sorry to hear/read and hope they bounce back bro !
She's right again.
Temps should be around 65F for the MOST oxygen in the water.
Mine stay 61F - 67F, and avg 64F

IMHO, order of importance is :
Rez Temps
PH
PPM

If the temps aren't ideal and stable for oxygen uptake......
It will also (if too hot or cold) affect PH fluctuatuions......
Which affects PPM uptake because PH allows certain nutes to be absorbed at particular #'s on the PH scale.

Flo Grow said:

Wow, sorry to hear/read and hope they bounce back bro !
She's right again.
Temps should be around 65F for the MOST oxygen in the water.
Mine stay 61F - 67F, and avg 64F

IMHO, order of importance is :
Rez Temps
PH
PPM

If the temps aren't ideal and stable for oxygen uptake......
It will also (if too hot or cold) affect PH fluctuatuions......
Which affects PPM uptake because PH allows certain nutes to be absorbed at particular #'s on the PH scale.

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Sup dude,

You're correct in your assessment man, but I thought about it in a reverse engineered way. First I figured the res was simply too small and they were drinking so much that it was affecting the #'s. They're only downing about 3 liters every 5-6 days so ..... That couldn't be the issue. So in fact I was looking at the wrong culprit instead of being pragmatic. The girls really had no problem till I came back and "Tarzan'd" Res A. That same day i did a res change an did a 100% solution assuling they could take it since It's been 3 weeks. But I don't think htey could take it and that "Osmotic" process is drying them out. So I'm about to add if I remember correctly yesterday my EC in res A was 335 and the other was 304. Today after lights out EC's are @ 3.65 & 3.15 both res @ 14.1~5 degrees C. Gonna research this now! I'm not quite sure what I'm dealing with here and I'm not about to let these girls go limp dick willy on me.

Do or fucking Die!!!


Pure....

Finished Baseline tests
Water from tap pH 8.7, EC .62! After reading I see that i should not be over 3.0 EC.
Res A which is in dire need of SOMETHING is @ 3.65 and she's dying off quickly
so I threw on some KoRN
I pH balanced some H2O
got both of the res's properly sorted!

Res A (Full Nute Pack) at 2.31 pH 6.0
Res B (Basic Nute Pack) @ 2.41 & pH 6.1

I've put up some pics
I'm using this pic as a baseline since the shoot is really like "shooting" down now. If the plant does better we'll be able to tell from this pic....




Pure...

ok will do good looking out!!


Pure...

Yeah they are suckers. They will suck life, and energy that could go to new growth on top. Cut them out and you should see a explosion of growth on top.

I'm all excited post some piks after it happens. Gawd I giddy with anticipation.

So far no change. Res A, still lifeless (even moreso now) Res b seems ok but "iffy". of course Ph was up to 7 but the EC both res's around 2.4. Which shows a rise in Res A, nothing enormous though. Res A may already be a liter low. that could attribute to the raise in EC. But i'm so freakin lost now. fuck!!!! I'm gonna start researching again maybe my analysis was incorrect and something totally different is wrong with them.

not @
Pure...

Just some thoughts on my part.

What do the roots look like. You aren't getting any algae growth in the rez are you. I know that will get the ph climbing on ya if you do. Also when you do a rez change do you keep 10 to 20% of the water that was in the rez. That will act like a buffer and help stabilize the ph.

One more thing. Is your air pump working ok. The reason I ask is they almost look over watered, and that can only happen in hydro when the air pump fails.(If you think it's a problem with air you can try a H2O2 flush and then get more air to the rez. If that's what it is they should snap back fast.)

OK I lied there is one more thing what is room temp and what is rez temp.

Heyyyyyyy folks,

Dude I fond my smile lost in the dead foilage!! heheh! ok enough with the effed up jokes, I at the last minute decided to second guess my pH tester. I used the drops to see what range my water fell in. And the water that I had sitting which was supposed to be @ 5.8 registered totally alkaline favoring. equivalent to about a 4. SO my pH tester is off. properly buffered water is registering around 6.6 on mu pH meter. I 'll calibrate today see if that chages anything.; At least that explains why I kept adding ph buffer down to the nutes.


Pure...

gom said:

Just some thoughts on my part.

What do the roots look like. You aren't getting any algae growth in the rez are you. I know that will get the ph climbing on ya if you do. Also when you do a rez change do you keep 10 to 20% of the water that was in the rez. That will act like a buffer and help stabilize the ph.

One more thing. Is your air pump working ok. The reason I ask is they almost look over watered, and that can only happen in hydro when the air pump fails.(If you think it's a problem with air you can try a H2O2 flush and then get more air to the rez. If that's what it is they should snap back fast.)

OK I lied there is one more thing what is room temp and what is rez temp.

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Hey gom,

the roots look copacetic no probs there. In my view that is... I'll snap a pic at lights on ... I do keep about 10% of the existing nutes in the res (simply because my pump cant get it all!!). But in the end I've been using an off pH meter so everything is off!

I sure as hell hope it's not algae, because I'm not too careful when I'm opening the res tops...
dude!!!

The res temps are a cool 15-16 degrees.

I'll get to check in about 2.5 hours. Then we'll see if my hypothesis was proper!!


This is fun but will totally suck if I lose my push!


Pure...

OK so I forgot to ask if you had a good ph reading my bad lol.

So bleak outlook ahead,
Res A is on the brink of death - Res B is bounce back from whatever the hell I did wrong and has started deeding again. My EC in Res A was not moving for a few days and is just starting to gain traction again. Looks like Res a chooses life . I've gone back to vegging 18/6 due to the lack of foliage on res a.

calibrated my pH meter yesterday as soon as I got home from the airport. meter was off by 13 points!

fuck I'm trying to adapt to this situation in order to avoid failure (like i was taught in the Marines), but I feel like I'm fighting an invisible fuckin' enemy!!

warning pics are not for the faint at heart


Pure...

IDK, those roots look a little too dark to me.
And that one plant is DEAD, bro !
Time to yank it's ass.
Start germing something else.

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First an update on my plants. Fat Girl & Little Lady or Res "A" & Res "B" (BNP)

You guys will remember i dropped into flowering 05-Oct. using : Full Nute Pak "FNP" (Sensi A+B Bloom + Root Juice + B52, Bud Candy + Big Bud at their respective times @ a 70% of the AN calculator recommended dosages...), in Res "A" Fat Girl, and "BNP" in Res "B" "BNP" is everything in "FNP" except "BIG BUD"

On the 16th I started running the nutes at 100% of the suggested amounts as per the AN calculator.
Fat girl (the healthiest and fullest of the 2 plants) was hit HARD!! The decline was so fast i had so little of a chance to diagnose it before the plant had given in. -->View attachment 1254788View attachment 1254789View attachment 1254840


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I keep the res active and continued changing the nutes out? This is how Fat Girl looked immediately after the fallout, this was about 2 days after I noticed signs, I'd already began the flush!!View attachment 1254842

Now she has new growth and new roots growing! So now she is back on the vegging nutes at 70%, sitting in a separate little area normally to be used for clones.--> View attachment 1254830

--> Today!! She's coming back,
I'll throw her into flowering after the roots are better established --->
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So now here are the errors i made!

First off I was trying to adjust Sensi Grow and Sensi Bloom pH.
--> I've notice that my normal tap pH is 7.6, when i add my nutes the pH is dropped down to a consistent 6.5! This si great except I've always adjusted the pH of the clear water to 5.6 prior to adding the nutes, then adjusted again after!!!

Now this was bad enough since it left me with daily inconsistent readings. And pH balancing trips 4 to 5 times a day! So in parallel to that issue the pH tester that I purchased was not calibrated so my readings were off my readings in the res were 7.x and the actual pH would be 2 points lower..

Along with that i ran two res's with 2 different nute mixes
FNP= Full Nute Pak -- (Sensi A+B Bloom + Root Juice + B52, Bud Candy + Big Bud)
BNP= Basic Nute Pak -- (Everything except Big Bud!!)

I may have miscalculated a Big Bud dosage twice also..

So now the res that only had FNP is now on FNP @ 70% recommended dosage. I'm not adjusting the pH. She's growing great.

In order to help her out I added my 400w HiD. I figured she had enough stress already I'll test and run comparisons on the next push. Since my harvest will be cut in half I need to ensure maximum yield from here forward. No better way than to light up with a 400w HiD eh?
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So in retrospect Advanced Nutrients did pretty well in keeping the plants alive throughout my "pH down attack!!" all the way up until either:

1. I bumped up the Res mix to 100%
OR
2. I overdosed the plant on Big Bud


So now let's see what these nutes can get these girls to grant me in terms of BUDS!!!!

Ciao,
Pure...

I posted a variant of this thread in my AN thread!!

Looks like you rained everything in very nicely there. Well done sir.

keep up the good work. We're pull for ya.

Peace

Thx Gom,

Not sure i covered all the basis yet dude. Verdict isn't out yet. I took Res A out of the "clone" space and put her back in with Res B. Now they will continue the flowering cycle together under the HiD + LED mix. Res B has new roots growing and the existing structure is there still. Well We'll see....


Pure...

So i did the dare-devil (Devil Dog) thing to do!!!

I pulled RES A out of the clone chamber and put her under the HiD and into the flowering cycle. She has some new "pubic" roots so she's big enough!!

Plus it's either that or build another area since i can't be sure of complete darkness in the current set up. I say that because the only signs of flowering I see is a massive nute uptake but not pistils, nothin'.

Now with there being a guaranteed darkness and a HiD lit "lights on" period, I should definitely see some flowering!!

BTW - If you look at the first Pix, you'll see that Res A has come a long way from where she was. Both in a good sense and a bad sense .... But she chose life!!!!


And stop calling me impatient...


Pure...

Res changes today
Res B Normal FNP
Res A FNp with no B52 added Root Juice instead..
Both are on 12/12
RES B= FNP with no root Juice = 4.15 EC or 2905 PPM
RES A= FNP with no B52 = 3.85 EC or 2695 PPM
Lets see what happens. I'm pretty sure i'm seeing pistils on res B


Pure...