The "I don't starve my plants before harvest" thread

[VanishingToaster]

anyone know of "The Wine Experiment" ? quite a famous psychological study. same wine in two bottles, blind taste test. "one" wine is very expensive and luxurious and the other is pigs swill. people will swear to you there's a difference, swear on their kids lives and even pass a lie detector, there is a genuine belief in the difference.

same thing applies here. I was really wary smoking the first crop, read up on flushing waaay back then and decided against it for many of the reasons in the first post on this thread *rep* Point is i was expecting to have fucked up and was actively expecting an inferior product, but got some of the sweetest tasting stuff i've ever had, and i've been all over. So even if you did take cuttings off the same mother plant and flush one and not the other, then cure them identically, unless you dont know which one your smoking until after you've smoked it, only then is it going to be a fair test.

i'd wager chemmed bud is a result of high overfeeding in the last weeks or mix match nutes overdosing on something. gotta wonder how much the flushing myth is worth financially to the likes of royal flush etc pure propaganda ...

 

[Harrekin]

Doesn't really sound like you want to help people cultivate cannabis. Sort of just sounds like you want to be a dick and play out on the internet the power scenarios you attempt but fail at in real life. Also funny that you would talk about insults beginning to roll but maybe you should have mentioned that when you called me a noob.

Regardless, to all the people out there wondering whether or not to flush, here is your answer: yes, flush, it's common sense. I would guess this dude's chronic to be worthy of flushed down the toilet.

No more point discussing this unless it's to give me a high five.

Lol, you stated Clearex is good... That's you're credibility shot right there. The only thing Clearex is good for is flushing out your wallet. Again, 4.5% sugar and 95.5% water. Nice flushing agent

 

[Gastanker]

Why would you have surplus in the calyx? Surely the plant uses what is there in the calyx to produce flowers, calyxes are not storage spaces.
If the plant lacks nitrogen it will 'pull' it from the leaves to assist in building calyx formations (if it's flowering of course).

This "immediate" surplus you're talking about in calyxes appear to be used up within a day or two, that's not really a surplus in my mind.

Where exactly do you get this from? If you have any scientific information regarding immediate surplus in calyxes I'd like to see it for myself.

There is plenty of science to support the claim that plants store surpluses in their fruiting bodies. One of the primary roles of a fruiting body is the storage of surplus - this is generally accepted by the entire science community and you can find this information in most every plant biology textbook. Why would a marijuana plant store surplus in it's leaves? It drops it's leaves... All excess goes to the fruit of the plant; the calyx is the fruiting body of the plant.

 

[Harrekin]

There is plenty of science to support the claim that plants store surpluses in their fruiting bodies. One of the primary roles of a fruiting body is the storage of surplus - this is generally accepted by the entire science community and you can find this information in most every plant biology textbook. Why would a marijuana plant store surplus in it's leaves? It drops it's leaves... All excess goes to the fruit of the plant; the calyx is the fruiting body of the plant.

You realise it drops the leaves cos it translocates the nutes in the leaves to the buds? If buds "stored nutes" the way you describe it wouldn't need to translocate from elsewhere thus again making flushing an exercise in futility.

You must really love this myth to totally bury your head in the sand the way you have man.

 

[Gastanker]

You realise it drops the leaves cos it translocates the nutes in the leaves to the buds? If buds "stored nutes" the way you describe it wouldn't need to translocate from elsewhere thus again making flushing an exercise in futility.

You must really love this myth to totally bury your head in the sand the way you have man.

I don't care if people flush. I don't flush, I grow with organic amendments and it would serve me no purpose as none of them are water soluble. I'm trying to provide legitimate science as to what is happening with the plant. If you keep feeding late into flower the surplus continues to increase - this is common scientific knowledge in the agricultural industry.

If you stop/slow the feed the plant burns through some of its own surplus - again common science.

The fruiting body is where this surplus is stored in marijuana - common scientific knowledge in the ag industry (referring to the type of plant not specifically MJ - although it does of course apply).

 

[KushisSweet]

This thread is as stupid as this next statement my friend just said after I asked him, "To flush or not to flush" holding a nug in the air.

"Why would you flush the weed down the toilet?"

That will be all folks. who cares anyway its YOUR bud, YOU get to choose how YOU want YOUR bud to be.. that's like me getting mad at a dealer for him not selling me flushed weed!!! he just lost 1 customer!

 

[k0ijn]

There is plenty of science to support the claim that plants store surpluses in their fruiting bodies. One of the primary roles of a fruiting body is the storage of surplus - this is generally accepted by the entire science community and you can find this information in most every plant biology textbook. Why would a marijuana plant store surplus in it's leaves? It drops it's leaves... All excess goes to the fruit of the plant; the calyx is the fruiting body of the plant.

Again I say, show me the evidence you are speaking of.
I have had biology A level and I have not read what you describe.

 

[k0ijn]

@Gastanker:

I just found some nutrient storage information from a scientific book called: Plant nutrition - from genetic engineering to field practice.






They don't mention anything about fruiting bodies being storage places for excess minerals.
In fact they only mention the: Stem, Leaf and Roots as storage 'units'.

The stem and the leaves are clearly the main storage areas for excess nutrients.

Not only that, but the science clearly suggest that yield is proportional to the amount of nutrients given and a deficiency (which flushing causes) will reduce yield.

 

[Harrekin]

Huge difference between perennials and annuals when it comes to storage - how would storing energy in the roots or leaves help a marijuana plant late in flower when it is about to die... and no one is arguing that you should invoke deficiencies. If you have a healthy plant going into the last two weeks of flower you will see no deficiencies when you cut off feeding. If you see deficiencies it is because you had an unhealthy plant to begin with - it has nothing to do with cutting down the nutes. You can flush and still run your plants at "Critical supply".

Keep in mind that chart doesn't speak of the difference in plant material...

Dude... If you've taken biology and you don't know that a fruit is a storage organ I don't know what to tell you... I can't imagine how one more text book is going to really change your mind.

Dude just back down, the guy pwn'd you with textbook horticulture and you still can't see the foolishness of your argument.

And just to correct you, fruits and seeds are very minor storage places but the primary things they store are starches and proteins.

 

[Harrekin]

When did I get pwn'd? Why are you trying to pwn me? That chart that doesn't correlate to anything we are talking about; what does it have to do with anything we are talking about?

Seeds and fruits are the end all be all of annual plants - nothing else matters, they are going to die.

Fruits are purely a method of dispersal for seeds, and seeds only contain the things it needs to grow roots of its own, that is a small supply of starches and proteins. What sort of education have you in this outta interest?

 

[purklize]

I feel like we're living in the "Green Scare" by having to say we flush even when it's been proven to be bullshit... "I'm not a communist!"

 

[Harrekin]

BS in Ecology and an AS in Natural Resources. I sample soil and monitor agricultural insect traps.

But why does that matter? The info is the info. I don't care if you're a garbage man, if you have better info it's better info.

Rye grass varies but every time I have ever seen it in a scientific demonstration it was one of the perennial varieties in order to compare it to an introduced annual grass - huge subject of debate atm in the ag/environmental world.

You Irish don't have this problem as you have amazing healthy perennial grasses. Was very jealous the last time I was in Ireland. We've destroyed our natural grasses and replaced them all with unsustainable annuals.

Annual grass vs Perennial. Hmm, wonder which stores more to seeds/fruits and which stores more in the roots.

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Relevence?

 

[Gastanker]

Relevence?

This should be really obvious... Your chart was referencing a perennial grass. I'm demonstrating the differences between annuals and perennials (your chart has no bearing on our conversation).

 

[Harrekin]

This should be really obvious... Your chart was referencing a perennial grass. I'm demonstrating the differences between annuals and perennials (your chart has no bearing on our conversation).

Sorry I'm full of freshly made hash, I'll probably continue another time when I actually care again

Just I said it once and I'll say it one last time, don't forget to wipe before you flush and then make sure to wash your hands after.

 

[suTraGrow]

I suggest some of you growing in hydro do a side by side test. You will see for your self the bud thats been flush not only burn more evenly, but the ash is ALWAYS white. Flushed bud tends to crack and crackle and just about always turn into a black ash.
Don't believe me do a test you'll see for your self.

 

[SirLancelot]

All you fuckers out here talking about "don't flush your plants" are ALL new growers.. WTF do you know about it? Including the OP... 4 months ago you didn't know about how to properly nute in flowering... something change and make you super smart??? I've been growing for 3 years. It makes a difference. All your posts are "don't flush".. you don't even know what you're talking about...LMAO.
https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/459786-introducing-nitrogen-flowering.html

go check the posts of people who are backing you.. all in their first grow and don't know any better.

edit.. you too.. https://www.rollitup.org/harvesting-curing/422468-ready-cure.html

first time curing this year.. how much testing and experience do you have??? not much... 8 months.. so what 2-3 harvests.. how much did you play with flushing to know?

Curing matters.. but flushing in hydro is essential to a good finished product.

I never claimed to be an expert. And yes your right I've only had like 5 harvests. But I've been gardening for most my life which this may be surprising but its pretty similar to growing other plants. I've cured 6times the last three were done properly thanks to Simon d (thanks brother) and how does me adding Nitrogen midflower to a plant showing signs of defficiency mean I don't know what I'm doing? Regardless what I do know is the times I cured properly I was t able to notice a difference.my friends who have been growing longer than me also have done this expirement with similar results. But we grow in soil and that's all I know. I don't know about hydro which is why i have never said anything about flushing in hydro. but since your an expert with 3yrs under your belt maybe you could share your results from doIng an experiment from not flushing and flushing for the rest of the people?
Thanks

Appreciate the input on flushing.

 

[k0ijn]

Huge difference between perennials and annuals when it comes to storage - how would storing energy in the roots or leaves help a marijuana plant late in flower when it is about to die... and no one is arguing that you should invoke deficiencies. If you have a healthy plant going into the last two weeks of flower you will see no deficiencies when you cut off feeding. If you see deficiencies it is because you had an unhealthy plant to begin with - it has nothing to do with cutting down the nutes. You can flush and still run your plants at "Critical supply".

Keep in mind that chart doesn't speak of the difference in plant material...

Dude... If you've taken biology and you don't know that a fruit is a storage organ I don't know what to tell you... I can't imagine how one more text book is going to really change your mind.

First of all, the roll eyes is somewhat offensive when I'm trying to have a grown up discussion with you about this, I don't you know why you have to resort to that.

Secondly, I know there are differences between annual and perennial plants.

How exactly do you know that the rye in that chart was not annual? Where exactly does it specificy if it was Lolium Multiflorum or Lolium Perenne?

How can you say that if I don't know that a fruit is a storage organ then you don't know what to tell me?
What kind of flawed argument is that?

I asked you to show me the evidence, you have showed me none.
You say it's in every biology textbook, I have looked through the ones I own, haven't found a thing.
I've searched the web, all I found on nutrient storage was the chart I linked to you and yet that you shoot down without even know what you are talking about. On top of that you are acting offensive, because you have no idea what you're talking about or because you have dug yourself in a hole, I don't know.

And mellokitty, why do you always seem to like other peoples posts when they posts information that has no basis in fact?
Do you do this just to piss people off, or is it like Gastanker, your flawed humor acting out?
I think it's great you have each others back no matter how foolish your friend sounds, but it reflects very poorly on you. Especially when all you can do is like posts, you can't bring one damn piece of factual information into the discussion. Well done.
Either way, it's downright offensive and I can't believe this is the way you people try to prove a point.​

 

[5000joints]

I flush with straight tap water for 2-3 weeks before harvesting. I dont ph balance it or nothing. I just want to get the salts out of the soil. I dont care about nutrients out of the soil because I will never get it all out since I grow mostly organic. I use ice cold water the last week and keep them in the dark for 5 days. The day before harvest, I flush 1 more time then harvest in the morning. This will shock the root system and force the plant to protect itself by forcing out trichomes as fast and as thick as possible. I love this trick and have the best buds. Look at my pics in my journal. The close-ups tell the story. This also helps stubborn, cloudy trichs to amber up.Ive tried not flushing plants. My bud burns like charcoal and the ash is black. Its harsh and burns hot. It goes out with every hit. It sucks.When I flush, my weed is smooth. It tastes like it should. The ash is white. It stays lit. It doesnt burn hot. I wont smoke weed thats not flushed. I cured the buds perfectly in glass jars for 3 months. Flushed and unflushed. I dont think another 3 months would have made a difference with the unflushed bud. Same strain. same growing technique. Same flush. Same cure. FLUSHING WINS HANDS DOWN. For me that is. Hey! If someone doesnt like to flush then all power to them. If there strains come out just as good as anyone elses, great. A good cure goes along way with some strains. Not flushing just isnt for me and mine. Just because I have a different way then someone else doesnt mean its better or worse. Or right or wrong. To each his own. However you like to utilize your growing technique do it the best you know how.
These pics are BC Mango. Just before placing in a week of darkness. When they came out, There were 20% amber trichs.

 

[k0ijn]

All you fuckers out here talking about "don't flush your plants" are ALL new growers.. WTF do you know about it? Including the OP... 4 months ago you didn't know about how to properly nute in flowering... something change and make you super smart??? I've been growing for 3 years. It makes a difference. All your posts are "don't flush".. you don't even know what you're talking about...LMAO.
https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/459786-introducing-nitrogen-flowering.html

go check the posts of people who are backing you.. all in their first grow and don't know any better.

edit.. you too.. https://www.rollitup.org/harvesting-curing/422468-ready-cure.html

first time curing this year.. how much testing and experience do you have??? not much... 8 months.. so what 2-3 harvests.. how much did you play with flushing to know?

Curing matters.. but flushing in hydro is essential to a good finished product.

What kind of flawed argument is that?
If people say, don't flush, they are new growers?

I've been growing for 4 years, thats more than you, who are you to stipulate that I know nothing about growing when you have no clue who I am.
I have a very hard time taking people who write like you write seriously, all I can think about is that with a grammar like yours you must either be very young or be extremely angry.
Either way, the crux of your point is lost within a haze of capped words and logical fallacies.

 

[KushDog]

Flushing your Grow meidiem is like flushing a tolet, when you flush it gets rid of all the shit you no longer need.