The "I don't starve my plants before harvest" thread

[SirLancelot]

strawberrys stop feeding 10 days before harvest. http://www.ehow.com/way_5767380_homemade-fertilizer-strawberry-plants.html


Garlic stop feed 1 month before harvest http://www.harvestwizard.com/2011/09/garlic_growing_tips.html


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is important to stop using any chemical-based fertilizers before harvest and to wash any tomato before Eating"​

lol dude your still hear? you dont even know what your talking about.

 

[purklize]

Finding scientifically proven facts can be very difficult and very time consuming

So true BT. I have spent most of my time since becoming a meidcal grower sorting the facts from the bullshit. Most of what I've read has been bullshit. I was in a grow shop the other day, and what happened symbolizes this nicely. This super enthusiastic grower started chatting with me, telling me how amazing organic growing is and trying to get me to go from hydro back to organic. I wasn't going for it, and someone else chimed in: "Have you ever compared organic vs hydro for the same cut?" "Yes..." "Could you tell the difference blind?" "Well, no.. but..." "No buts, that means there's no real difference!"

 

[KushDog]

lol dude your still hear? you dont even know what your talking about.

I have no idea what i am talking about... FYI LOL

 

[SirLancelot]

Plants always like to have a surplus. If you have healthy plants going into the last two weeks of flower they have a surplus - more nutrients necessary for the time being - even enough nutrients for the next few weeks. For most healthy plants; if you remove all nutrients they will be fine for several weeks. Now when we flush we strip out the surplus of nutrients in the soil. We don't strip out 100%, likely not even 50%, just some of the extra - stripping out more that 75% of the nutrients is really really hard. So your plants already have enough nutrients stored for the last two weeks and there is still enough in the soil even if they didn't already have it stored. So your healthy plants going into the last two weeks will most definitely not starve.

But hey, they will do this -



Most of BrickTops info was dead on but I'm lost as to where he came up with his summary. I've never hear of someone flushing their plants to the point of killing off roots, stressing a plant, or causing any type of deficiency - I feel you would literally have to be pouring 4x the volume of water as soil through the plants every day for a week and I can't imagine anyone doing that. Have you ever seen anyone flush till they had deficiencies? I haven't.

So your plant notices that there is less available nutrients in the soil as before and it has only a few more weeks of life (remember this is an annual plant and will die at the end of the season regardless) so the plant is going to dedicate all the rest of its available energy and nutrient towards flower and seed production (this is the end all be all of plant goals). So the plant starts to translocate nutrients - this is good! You are getting rid of surplus material, material that does you no good to smoke.

Lets do a for instance - (this is all very simplified)
Plant A and plant B are the same and are each have a surplus of 100N 100P 100K
Both plants use 5N, 5P, and 5K each day to produce 15 units of calyx/THC

Both plants have been fed generously so the soil is quite saturated with nutrients. Plant A will recieve a full load of nutes till the last day, plant B gets a flush and no nutes till the last day.

Day 1:
Plant A: Starts with surplus of 100N 100P 100K || Uptakes 7N 7P 7K || Uses 5N 5P 5K || Ends with surplus of 102N 102P 102K and 15Calyx/THC
Day 2:
Plant A: Starts with surplus of 102N 102P 102K || Uptakes 7N 7P 7K || Uses 5N 5P 5K || Ends with surplus of 104N 104P 104K and 30Calyx/THC
Day 3:
Plant A: Starts with surplus of 104N 104P 104K || Uptakes 7N 7P 7K || Uses 5N 5P 5K || Ends with surplus of 106N 106P 106K and 45Calyx/THC
Day 4:
Plant A: Starts with surplus of 106N 106P 106K || Uptakes 7N 7P 7K || Uses 5N 5P 5K || Ends with surplus of 108N 108P 108K and 60Calyx/THC
Day 14:
Plant A: Starts with surplus of 126N 126P 126K || Uptakes 7N 7P 7K || Uses 5N 5P 5K || Ends with surplus of 128N 128P 128K and 210Calyx/THC

This plant was flushed and no longer received additional nutrients
Day 1:
Plant B: Starts with surplus of 100N 100P 100K || Uptakes 5N 5P 5K || Uses 5N 5P 5K || Ends with surplus of 100N 100P 100K and 15Calyx/THC
Day 2:
Plant B: Starts with surplus of 100N 100P 100K || Uptakes 4N 4P 4K || Uses 5N 5P 5K || Ends with surplus of 99N 99P 99K and 30Calyx/THC
Day 3:
Plant B: Starts with surplus of 99N 99P 99K || Uptakes 3N 3P 3K || Uses 5N 5P 5K || Ends with surplus of 97N 97P 97K and 45Calyx/THC
Day 4:
Plant B: Starts with surplus of 97N 97P 97K || Uptakes 2N 2P 2K || Uses 5N 5P 5K || Ends with surplus of 94N 94P 94K and 60Calyx/THC
Day 14:
Plant B: Starts with surplus of 54N 54P 54K || Uptakes 1N 1P 1K || Uses 5N 5P 5K || Ends with surplus of 50N 50P 50K and 210Calyx/THC

So plant a is 210 calyx/THC which gets you high and an additional 128 units of N, P, and K which you will combust and inhale (but they don't do you anygood).
Or you can have plant B which is also 210 calyx/THC but less than half of the extra N, P, and K... Ratio wise plant B has a higher content of THC/Calyx to the other stuff. I personally would rather inhale less of the surplus material.




Seasonal and annual generally mean the same thing... Perennial is the alternative. Don't know why but I'm always stuttering on these as well.



Aside from comparing trees to marijuana being simply laughable lets talk about variables. For comparisons you need to keep variables the same. Say you want to compare the orange tree and a MJ plant when it comes to super heavy fertilization and the effects on the fruiting body. A roughly 3 pound marijuana plant is often fed 1/3 of a bottle of three different chemical solutions during its short life. The standard weight of a bottle of nutrients is 2lbs which means a 3 lb plant would receive ~2lbs of bottled nutrients in lets say a 60 day flower. For every one pound of wet plant it received 0.025 bottles of fertilizer per day of flower.

Ok so if you want to keep variables the same you should feed your orange tree the same ratio of nutrients to its own weight over it's given flowering period. How much does it weigh? 1 ton? If 1 ton you would need to feed your orange plant 16.6 bottles of nutrient per day. I want to see this experiment. Feed your orange tree 16 bottles of bloom feed every day while it is flowering and tell me if the oranges taste different.



What other industries use the same ridiculously high amount of fertilizers to produce their crops? None... How many of these non existent industries produce a material you combust and then inhale? None...

DAMNIT! I meant perineal, Im just gonna shut up now... ok ok ok I hear ya but I've had plants that eat more than another every feeding so how can you really know what amounts are in each? and I don't get where you get those numbers? and how you know there accurate.

I wish my orange tree weighed a ton lol. it's only 2 1/2 feet tall in a 5gal and it gets fed when all my other plants get fed ( I know Im not suppose to but I get SUPER CHILI's and SUPER ORANGES multiple times a year.) but yea their on the same feed schedule.

 

[Gastanker]

DAMNIT! I meant perineal, Im just gonna shut up now... ok ok ok I hear ya but I've had plants that eat more than another every feeding so how can you really know what amounts are in each? and I don't get where you get those numbers? and how you know there accurate.

I wish my orange tree weighed a ton lol. it's only 2 1/2 feet tall in a 5gal and it gets fed when all my other plants get fed ( I know Im not suppose to but I get SUPER CHILI's and SUPER ORANGES multiple times a year.) but yea their on the same feed schedule.

The numbers I pulled out of my ass which is what was supposed to by implied when I said "This is very simplified". The numbers are to demonstrate the idea at play - adding to a surplus versus using it up while still having production remain constant. N+P+K most definitely does not actually equal THC and a calyx...

Information on deficits and surpluses can be found in any plant bio book.

Getting the numbers on each particular plant isn't necessary as long as you are subtracting from the deficit versus adding to it. A healthy plant going into the last two weeks of flower will have enough of a surplus to finish so continuing to add nutrients continues to increase the surplus and reducing the amount of nutrients helps get rid of it.

Of course there are always exceptions! I will never argue that there will always be exceptions. Now and then you will get a super hungry plant that needs boosts of N late into flower - that's fine! But I would strongly argue about going into the last few waters at maximum strength all the time regardless of whether the plants needs it or not - and I have found in most cases it will not need it.

 

[SirLancelot]

ok but how does this affect taste?

 

[KushDog]

ok but how does this affect taste?

it dont taste like chemicals

 

[Gastanker]

ok but how does this affect taste?

This V

it dont taste like chemicals

I know you have never tasted chemmed up bud but plenty of us have and it is not desirable. Chemmed up bud smokes and tastes very different in a negative way.

I have had the same bud (same mother, same grow style, same medium, same nutes, same light, same cure...) that was grown with higher and lower levels of nutrients towards the end of the grow and there is a difference.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

I just wanted to note an observation of mine. WHenever I google "can you flush nutrients out of plants" or something similar I only get links to marijuana forums and nutrient companys. I only went to page 10 before giving up but I thought it was interesting that in the WHOLE WIDE WORLD OF INTERNET whenever you type in flushing nutrients out of plants nothing can be found except links that will send you right here... Shocking only the MJ industry flushes.

*common sense isnt so common

cause we smoke corn and tulips and apples and all these other plants that you talk of

and burning things is the same as eating them right

common sense fucking eh

these same people(government regulatory agencies) that define what is safe or not for consumption say that because avocado are eaten the least(national yearly consumption) they can be sprayed with miticides and pesticides in amounts that would be toxic in other produce because nation ingestion rates are lower then other edible vegetables

give me a break

 

[Harrekin]

Dear Jesus people, you don't get "chemmed up" bud from nutrients. How many times does this have to be repeated? I don't flush, my bud doesn't taste like chemicals...explain?

Also I hear alot of people saying plants "use up" or translocate minerals during the flush. Where do you think it goes to? Plants dont excrete nutrients, and generally speaking when they're translocated they move UP TO THE BUDS.

Explain to me now how the flush is supposed to effect immobile nutrients like Calcium, Iron, etc?

As usual, no botany or science to back up flushing, not even any logic or common sense either.

 

[BigBuddahCheese]

I have done both.. and me and my patients never noticed one bit of difference. Both smoke extremely smooth, smell and taste like the strain, and ashes are white.. hmm. Dunno but I feed them till they get chopped.

 

[Gastanker]

I have done both.. and me and my patients never noticed one bit of difference. Both smoke extremely smooth, smell and taste like the strain, and ashes are white.. hmm. Dunno but I feed them till they get chopped.

Do they yield the same as well?

 

[LaudanumRx]

If you grow your nugs properly and don't let them get all crispy and partially dead on the stem, then and only then, will flushing make a difference. If your shit is crispy from high temps, poor circulation, over ferting, whatever - - - well then that part of the plant is dead an no water is circulating through it. I say this because I see a LOT of crispy shit floating around the web.

So if you have done your crop well and it still looks alive and fresh, then flush for a good week. Don't starve them. Maybe give them some sugar or something. Clearex is good.

But if you have done a crap job and your shit is all crispy then flushing is the least of your concerns. (Don't give up though! That's what these forums are for is to learn!!!)

The fact of the matter is that most of us bought for longer than we grew and we smoked a million weird chemicals in shitty commercial weed. So, if you can flush all that crap out then your body will thank you but if you smoke a little chemmies it can't be any worse than all the shit you already smoked!!!

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

it would be nice to here from some chemical testers business as there return results from chemical testings of bud might shed soem light on the chemical composition of "flushed" or non flushed bud and what nutrients were used. . . . . . .?

 

[Harrekin]

If you grow your nugs properly and don't let them get all crispy and partially dead on the stem, then and only then, will flushing make a difference. If your shit is crispy from high temps, poor circulation, over ferting, whatever - - - well then that part of the plant is dead an no water is circulating through it. I say this because I see a LOT of crispy shit floating around the web.

So if you have done your crop well and it still looks alive and fresh, then flush for a good week. Don't starve them. Maybe give them some sugar or something. Clearex is good.

But if you have done a crap job and your shit is all crispy then flushing is the least of your concerns. (Don't give up though! That's what these forums are for is to learn!!!)

The fact of the matter is that most of us bought for longer than we grew and we smoked a million weird chemicals in shitty commercial weed. So, if you can flush all that crap out then your body will thank you but if you smoke a little chemmies it can't be any worse than all the shit you already smoked!!!

Clearex? Lol, are you an über-noob or something? Clearex is 4.5% sugar and 95.5% water. More stupid pro-flush bullshit.

Ok I'll say this again for all the all the simples: Buds don't store nutrients, they store metabolites of nutrients, but no "chemicals". The only way you can get "chemicals" in/on your buds is if you spray them on or feed PGR's like that Bushmaster poison. Plants cannot excrete nutrients, so flushing cannot draw anything out and by starving your plants your actually drawing the so-called chemicals from the leaves to the buds to be used.

Flushing doesn't work out even slightly when you look into how plants work even slightly.

Lol again at saying Clearex is good tho, funny stuff.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

Clearex? Lol, are you an über-noob or something? Clearex is 4.5% sugar and 95.5% water. More stupid pro-flush bullshit.

Ok I'll say this again for all the all the simples: Buds don't store nutrients, they store metabolites of nutrients, but no "chemicals". The only way you can get "chemicals" in/on your buds is if you spray them on or feed PGR's like that Bushmaster poison. Plants cannot excrete nutrients, so flushing cannot draw anything out and by starving your plants your actually drawing the so-called chemicals from the leaves to the buds to be used.

Flushing doesn't work out even slightly when you look into how plants work even slightly.

Lol again at saying Clearex is good tho, funny stuff.

you make a great argument

but i cant help but wonder since there is no information agianst it or for it why so many people notice a difference, plecebo is your first thought, but thats the human factor, plecebo could go both ways as people taste a difference when there is none, and people dont taste a difference when there is one

i for one would like to see some comprehensive test done by company's that could control the intake of nutrients and what kind they were . . . . idk i just dont buy the there is no info for it or against other than opinion, and i do notice a difference when my plant fade vs green harvest in taste, not saying its a fact just my observation

i mean weed will respond to stress in many ways what if one way is to rid itself of nutrients that would make it grow more and instead try to seed itself and at that point thc production and growth slow and a crawl if not stop all together . . . idk

 

[Harrekin]

Funnily enough, what you just said explained itself. The reason a green plant may taste slightly different to a yellow plant is the reason the plant is green in the first place...more chlorophyll. This is lost by correct drying and curing tho.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

so does flushing produce yellow or green plants at harvest

i would assume yellow, but id be an ass if i was wrong

so anyway if flushing does produce yellow or faded plants, mine normally look all sorts of colors, and that means less chlorophyll, and less bad taste that would mean flushing produces better MJ and easier to smoke MJ??????

i have also noticed that my flushed plants retain their smell longer, but again placebo, the plants that smell the most will be taken care of the most . . . . . idk a lot can be explained(proclaimed) by the ying/yang of the human factor

there is a little something called the scientific method where theory's can be proven, in Wa we have very little testing facilities but Co and Ca have nice ones . . .. . .

 

[zo0t]

there if a differance da bud will crackle da bud will have an after taste of barbecue and if its in soil its not starving cuz da soil retains da shit etc...

 

[Harrekin]

so does flushing produce yellow or green plants at harvest

i would assume yellow, but id be an ass if i was wrong

so anyway if flushing does produce yellow or faded plants, mine normally look all sorts of colors, and that means less chlorophyll, and less bad taste that would mean flushing produces better MJ and easier to smoke MJ??????

i have also noticed that my flushed plants retain their smell longer, but again placebo, the plants that smell the most will be taken care of the most . . . . . idk a lot can be explained(proclaimed) by the ying/yang of the human factor

there is a little something called the scientific method where theory's can be proven, in Wa we have very little testing facilities but Co and Ca have nice ones . . .. . .

No it's doesn't mean that, because chlorophyll dissipates from a good dry and cure, so yellow leaves at harvest are purely less efficient energy collectors.