The New Limewire

The Ruiner said:

No one has a moral quandary with stealing?

If you worked your butt off to produce a bad ass crop, you wouldnt mind other people just taking it? What the fuck?

Support music, or given the musical inclinations of most here - dont.

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Straight Sativa said:

Interesting. I bet this will put comcast Rhapsody out for good, now that it says it has been intorduced in the USA. But yes as far as actually downloading music, torrents are the safest, most practical way to do it.

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The Ruiner said:

No one has a moral quandary with stealing?

If you worked your butt off to produce a bad ass crop, you wouldnt mind other people just taking it? What the fuck?

Support music, or given the musical inclinations of most here - dont.

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heir proctor said:

FALSE.

Ever find a super obscure album and it's torrent has 1 or ZERO seeds.

Shit happened to me all the time!!

Fuck that.

Now I've found a way to DL just about any album in existence as a zip file. Downloads in no more than 5 minutes.

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The Ruiner said:

No one has a moral quandary with stealing?

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Merrill, who after his Google stint joined EMI records, revealed that his profiling research at the label found that LimeWire pirates were iTunes’ biggest customers.
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But those “dirty file-sharing guys” had an even dirtier secret. During his stint at EMI, Merrill profiled the behavior of LimeWire users and discovered something rather interesting. Those same file-sharing “thieves” were also iTunes’ biggest spenders.

“That’s not theft, that’s try-before-you-buy marketing and we weren’t even paying for it… so it makes sense to sue them,” Merrill said, while undoubtedly rolling his eyes.

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But were the site’s users all criminals hell-bent on destroying the movie industry? According to a report from Telepolis, a recent study found the reverse was true.

The study, which was carried out by Society for Consumer Research (GfK), found that users of pirate sites including Kino.to did not fit the copyright lobby-painted stereotype of parasites who take and never give back.

In fact, the study also found that Internet users treat these services as a preview, a kind of “try before you buy.”

This, the survey claims, leads pirate site users to buy more DVDs, visit the cinema more often and on average spend more than their ‘honest’ counterparts at the box office.

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The ultimate irony in all of this is that if we stop giving the content industries what they want — sweeping, blanket protections — we may actually be doing them a favor. They wanted the VCR banned. It turned out to be one of the most profitable technologies for the movie industry in its history. Ignoring their requests may turn out to be cruel to be kind — instead of focusing on trying to fight the technology, they'll be forced to find ways of profitably embracing it.

The next generation of technology companies are already starting to shift overseas. Before conceding to any more demands for protection from Big Content, America would do well to consider what it places at risk.

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Through an elaborate survey the [Dutch] Government wanted to find out more about the views of artists on piracy, DRM, and other opportunities and challenges they face in the digital era. The questions covered in this article were answered by nearly 4,000 artists of all ages, including musicians, filmmakers, authors and photographers. The results give a unique insight into the position of artists on this controversial subject.
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One of the questions dealt with whether the artists think they are being financially harmed by file-sharing. Interestingly, only about 12% of artists completely agree with the statement that file-sharing hurts them (~16% agree). The majority of the artists are not convinced that file-sharing is doing them any financial harm, and some actually think the opposite is true. What’s worth nothing is that higher educated artists in particular believe that file-sharing is doing them no financial harm.

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A lawyer for the press replied quickly, and his main points surprised me. He began by noting that while Web piracy is a problem for all publishers and authors, there is no direct proof that the piracy of any book leads to a decline in sales of the print version. His e-mail noted further that the circulation of pirated copies can in some cases lead to increased overall sales, as the pirated copies create a buzz around a work. Nevertheless, the press expressed confidence that it could have the book removed from the file-sharing Web site, which had cooperated quickly in the past with other takedown requests from the press. The e-mail concluded with a lengthy description of the publisher's commitment to fighting piracy, but it added that most download sites are "not easy to get at."
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I had become increasingly ambivalent about the situation. Had I just harmed the sales and the scholarly circulation of my work by having the pirated copy removed? The lawyer's had implied that possibility. Was the press's viewpoint an academic appropriation of the proverb "There's no such thing as bad publicity"? I noted that in comparison with other academic presses, my publisher was far more generous in allowing previews of its books on its own Web site and other online outlets.
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In some significant sense, the traditional distinction between publishing open-access and closed-access works was becoming irrelevant. Surely, if it wanted to, the press could spend a few hours sending takedown requests for all of its books to this popular file-sharing Web site.

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Although IFPI refused to share the entire research report with TorrentFreak, we can conclude the following from the two pages that were published online.

Compared to music buyers, music sharers (pirates) are…

* 31% more likely to buy single tracks online.
* 33% more likely to buy music albums online.
* 100% more likely to pay for music subscription services.
* 60% more likely to pay for music on mobile phone.

These figures (as reported by the music industry) clearly show that file-sharers buy more digital music than the average music buyer. In fact, the group that makes up the music buyers category actually includes the buying file-sharers, so the difference between music sharers and non-sharing music buyers would be even more pronounced.

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ford442 said:

spotify will not be free for long so enjoy it while it lasts - they are just testing the US consumption levels with the free accounts right now. soon you can expect limited hours per month and more incentives to pay $5 or $10 per month for your continued streaming.

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ford442 said:

the one nice thing i have done with spotify is to find some new russian music - itunes and the like don't carry eastern european acts..

my friend swears by something called the Usenet - you have to pay a little, but you never have to upload or be part of any tracker..

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The Ruiner said:

No one has a moral quandary with stealing?

If you worked your butt off to produce a bad ass crop, you wouldnt mind other people just taking it? What the fuck?

Support music, or given the musical inclinations of most here - dont.

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Straight Sativa said:

This^

Never heard of spotify but if it's anything like Limewire, KaZaa, frostwire, ect..it's usually very easy to get viruses using these programs. Private/invite only torrent comunnities are the best. There is virtually a zero percent chance of the files infecting your computer using these pseudo-private p2p torrent communities (torrent trackers) becuase all the torrents will be reviewed by users who dl them and if they contain any malware, the user who upploaded would most be banned. It's similar to sites like pirate bay, only its a more tight-knit, secure comminity. Waffles.fm is a good one I know of. I'm sure there are many more music trackers out there just not sure of the names; IP Torrents is a good tracker for pretty much everything: music, movies, tv shows, documents, porn, ebooks and whatever else. Agian, access is granted on an invite only system.
Then once you have access to the tracker use programs like Vuze, UTorrent, BitTorrent to download.

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The Ruiner said:

You all missed the point. Every single one of you.

I don't care about major artists.

My problem is with the fact that it's becoming impossible for small artists/labels/recording engineers/producers/etc. to make money off of the investment in recording because no one buys the damn albums anymore.

You guys sound like schizoids, "we love the music, fuck those people, keep making music - we'll steal it from you because we feel like you owe us something"

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