The Official House and Garden Thread

[Jozikins]

H&G suggest Great White, and I have used it before and it's great, but Zho isn't far off, and I like it a lot better for the price, plus I'm still getting trichoderma and ONLY endo mycorrhizae, no wasted money on ecto mycorrhizae, that shit is for trees and shrubs. I like to use Zho and Great White when transplanting clones from the domes into dirt, I like to dig my hole, sprinkle some in there, mix it in with the top 1/4 inch of dirt in the bottom of the hole, so it's good and wet and doesn't dry out my roots. I've never had a problem with a dry product killing off wet roots, but I don't plan to ever have that problem, I also like to reapply when transplanting to my flowering pot, I just sprinkle it on wherever it's most root bound. I don't even do that always, normally when I reapply a product like this I mix it in the top 2-3" of my rootzone, and I'm ALWAYS reinoculating with a Earthworm Tea. I put about 1/2 of what is recommended for 1 gal in my 4 gal of tea, I brew it for 48 hours, and feed to my plants and watch them blow the fuck up with new growth.

Zho is a new product to me, but so far it's pretty good. Great White is awesome, too, but I wanted to see how Zho works in comparison for less cash.

 

[Jozikins]

Hay guys
long time reader first time poster.read all al.b fucts posts/threads (things) and it convinced me to give it a go.(why not??) and I mean on a similer scale to his(40 plant perifial**) previous to this I had only growen a couple little shity plants in a closet.how ever they didn't come out so good haha(streched,stressed,purple,yellow just amiture realy(won't go there)) so I'm bulls deep in dept now but we finaly got our shit together(a year later) and got the clones(10) in an what not only to discover they have spider might from here to narm and back. So they got turned up side down in a bucket of "neem" stuff 3 times in a week.sure enough that got the little pricks.the clones were in jiffy pots when I got them.I wasn't keen on putting them in to soil pots and waiting for them to be big enough to clone so I just put them in to a 50/50 mix of perlight/rock wool (wilst still in the jiffy cube) in hindsight it probly would have been better to do just perlight(NAWELL!) any way i'm 4 weeks in and were going strong.

Now here's were this thread comes in.the grow is in the woop woops so were on boar water(I think or stream hhhhmmm??) we have a 100/liter storage tub (I use litres becuse I'm kiwi) I can't remember off the top of my head what the ph is before nutes but after we only have to add 4ml to 100liters to get ph to 5.6-5.8 and add 180 ml A+B to get ppm1120 as per H&G Guide lines for vege plants. We also add 1ml/litre ho2o (yes that's right!!) Oh we also use 2x50mm air stones in the res 24/7(havnt gota timer yet)
any thorts/opinions would be cool.

Sounds awesome dude, looks like you are running everything just right. Do you have any pictures or a journal for us? that is messed up that someone gave you buggy clones, but I'm glad you got rid of them. Good ol' fashioned neem, got to love it. Perlite and rockwool is a funny combo, are you using the mini rockwool cubes? Debt sucks though, I've had my bouts with bill collectors.

 

[william69er]

Yayy I'm stoked you siad that.thought I was going to get it in the neck for using ho2o and air stones haha. Um I'll be cutting my own cubes of rock wool.that's this week end if the mommys are bigg enough.just worryed about the clone box not being warm enough.iv only got two 15 watt heat matts in there. Apprently ment to keep roots 11c higher then ambeant temp. Iv got my doughts.

Yea went 50/50 cuz I no alb used strate rock wool on his mums for a bit then turned to the photcil or wat ever it was that I can't get here.

Oh no pics becuse I'm on my phone ATM Internet paranoid realy. When every things going I'll go to a net cafe and upload shit loads and a prewriten journal then run like fuck.
I'm also running a 600hps grow lush over my mother to get them going and untill I get the mother room sussed. Then theyll be under 400watt hps 1120ppm nutes at 5.4-5.8 Watering at 4times a day. Hmm I should start a journal now realy.

 

[raindog]

Quick question all. I hear some of you prefer "Yellow-bottle foliar" to Magic Green. I'd like to look into this more but can't seem to find Yellow Bottle that is just for foliar?? As one would MG - ie not just for veg or bloom, but as a general tonic, perhaps with a bit of iron. Any thoughts here? Thanks.

 

[Jozikins]

Quick question all. I hear some of you prefer "Yellow-bottle foliar" to Magic Green. I'd like to look into this more but can't seem to find Yellow Bottle that is just for foliar?? As one would MG - ie not just for veg or bloom, but as a general tonic, perhaps with a bit of iron. Any thoughts here? Thanks.

I don't know about the Yellow Bottle company, I know I've just seen them trying to clearance it out at my local hydro shop, nobody knows about it around here and wont try it. But from grows I've seen online it is real good stuff. The yellow bottles didn't fail the shop, the shop failed the yellow bottles.

But please explain what you mean as a general tonic? I do not suggest applying Magic Green anymore than what is suggested on the nutrient calendar, you can make the roots go lazy and they will stop growing as fast or searching for nutrients if it's being force feed through it's leaves and is constantly over the point of photosynthetic compensation. If you do not know what photosynthetic compensation point is I highly suggest you look it up, it is very important to understand. If you are talking about using MG as a drench for the soil, I do NOT recommend it. H&G does not recommend it, so I certainly do not. They know what they are talking about, much more than me. You can always call up H&G and ask Rob exactly why this is. Rob is a fucking righteous dude, and it seems everyone in this thread is becoming very familiar with him.

I don't really use MG anymore, I make my own EWT and use that now, and it fights of mold really really well, and my plants fucking LOVE it. I am actually starting to stray away from mineral fertilizers like the H&G and making my own organics. But I still use the H&G a lot and still love it, but the hippy in me loves the organics, so do my taste buds, my bud has never tasted so good with H&G. But I fucking love the top booster and shooting powder, good shit. Even when I'm using a high PK tea with guano, I still use top booster and shooting powder, it's much easier on the plants than I ever expected it to be. I used to be terrified of full strength shooting powder, now I juice it exactly to how the nutrient calendar says I should.

 

[raindog]

I don't know about the Yellow Bottle company, I know I've just seen them trying to clearance it out at my local hydro shop, nobody knows about it around here and wont try it. But from grows I've seen online it is real good stuff. The yellow bottles didn't fail the shop, the shop failed the yellow bottles.

But please explain what you mean as a general tonic? I do not suggest applying Magic Green anymore than what is suggested on the nutrient calendar, you can make the roots go lazy and they will stop growing as fast or searching for nutrients if it's being force feed through it's leaves and is constantly over the point of photosynthetic compensation. If you do not know what photosynthetic compensation point is I highly suggest you look it up, it is very important to understand. If you are talking about using MG as a drench for the soil, I do NOT recommend it. H&G does not recommend it, so I certainly do not. They know what they are talking about, much more than me. You can always call up H&G and ask Rob exactly why this is. Rob is a fucking righteous dude, and it seems everyone in this thread is becoming very familiar with him.

I don't really use MG anymore, I make my own EWT and use that now, and it fights of mold really really well, and my plants fucking LOVE it. I am actually starting to stray away from mineral fertilizers like the H&G and making my own organics. But I still use the H&G a lot and still love it, but the hippy in me loves the organics, so do my taste buds, my bud has never tasted so good with H&G. But I fucking love the top booster and shooting powder, good shit. Even when I'm using a high PK tea with guano, I still use top booster and shooting powder, it's much easier on the plants than I ever expected it to be. I used to be terrified of full strength shooting powder, now I juice it exactly to how the nutrient calendar says I should.

Thanks Jozikins. Yes I realize that too much foliar is not a good thing, for the reasons you mentioned. Raiderfan was the dude that switched to one of the yellow bottle sups as his foliar. I don't know which one. I think you have followed some of his PK Kush grow journals and as far as I can see he is doing everything super nicely. I'm following many of his methods. However I did take your advice on going with 3 gal root pots as opposed to 2 gal. Good idea, thanks.

Hey I have six seeds (hoping for 3 more to germinate) growing and will veg for a month or so - then 12/12 in a 4 x 4 tent. I am really looking for the perfect Mother but plan on budding out at least these 6 in a SCROG set up. Any idea if 6 plants from seed will fill out this SCROG? The seeds are sativa/indica Jack Flash #5 from Sensei Seeds. I want to end up with a perpetual grow using a 2 x 4 and 4 x4 tent. Mother plants, clones etc. I would like to get this happening as soon as possible but need to see which plant to use as a Mom and while looking for "Her". Finish the candidates in SCROG . Does this sound like a good path time wise
or should I focus on only getting a mother and making clones. Any thoughts?? Thanks. I will be using H&G as per schedule. Rob sent me some samples - cool dude.

You mentioned EWT. I will be looking into this perhaps after I see how HG performs and get a bit more experience. You use it as a foliar right?
I did get some Mykos WP though. I plan on adding it to the transplant stages (in the medium of course). Maybe more often as I hear roots need to be inoculated more often with a chemical based program. Is this your understanding about inoculation? Hey thanks a bunch!

 

[Jozikins]

Thanks Jozikins. Yes I realize that too much foliar is not a good thing, for the reasons you mentioned. Raiderfan was the dude that switched to one of the yellow bottle sups as his foliar. I don't know which one. I think you have followed some of his PK Kush grow journals and as far as I can see he is doing everything super nicely. I'm following many of his methods. However I did take your advice on going with 3 gal root pots as opposed to 2 gal. Good idea, thanks.

Hey I have six seeds (hoping for 3 more to germinate) growing and will veg for a month or so - then 12/12 in a 4 x 4 tent. I am really looking for the perfect Mother but plan on budding out at least these 6 in a SCROG set up. Any idea if 6 plants from seed will fill out this SCROG? The seeds are sativa/indica Jack Flash #5 from Sensei Seeds. I want to end up with a perpetual grow using a 2 x 4 and 4 x4 tent. Mother plants, clones etc. I would like to get this happening as soon as possible but need to see which plant to use as a Mom and while looking for "Her". Finish the candidates in SCROG . Does this sound like a good path time wise
or should I focus on only getting a mother and making clones. Any thoughts?? Thanks. I will be using H&G as per schedule. Rob sent me some samples - cool dude.

You mentioned EWT. I will be looking into this perhaps after I see how HG performs and get a bit more experience. You use it as a foliar right?
I did get some Mykos WP though. I plan on adding it to the transplant stages (in the medium of course). Maybe more often as I hear roots need to be inoculated more often with a chemical based program. Is this your understanding about inoculation? Hey thanks a bunch!

Rob sent me sample too. Btw, if you quietly offered rob a gift for his help, he might be inclined to say yes. And you are welcome for the help, I'm glad it did you some good. I just started another grow in 3gal pots. And outside I have a bunch in 7 and 10 gal. I like the 10 gal pots, those are great, they hold so much plant food!

I think your scrog and veg set up is solid. And Jack Flash is an excellent choice! I haven't seen the stretch on it, but Jack strains tend to have a good stretch. Not only that, but 6 plants, depending on the size, can very easily take up a 4x4 foot print, especially in a scrog! And yes you should focus on mothers and clones, it saves money and helps keep your focus on the veg process, it is VERY important to always be keeping close attention in veg. Another important reason for you to do the clones and moms is because I would love a Jack Flash clone! lol!

Any synthetic source of P over 25ppm is going to kill of a lot of your colonies, this is one reason I have been switching over to strictly organics. If I'm spending 30 dollars a round for Zho I want it to really preform. So you will want to reapply often, and giving plain water between each feeding of your synthetic fertilizer. Whenever you inoculate, you need to give the colonies time to build, that is why we give plain water inbetween feedings, you can also reapply mykos with that water.

I use EWT as a drench and as a foliar. I also make different brews, I make a all-purpose that is as close to balanced as possible, and then I make a high P/K tea, which is actually fine to use during any stage of growth, and is great for seedlings and clones that are well rooted. But I dilute it down to foliar strength for seedlings/clones. Under 250ppm.

Helping is my pleasure bro, that is why I'm on RIU so freaking much! Good luck dude, but I don't think you will need it

That's so funny that you found my old posts on Raider's grow thread! He is a good grower, very professional about it all. I haven't seen a thread from him in a while, what his current grow link?

 

[ThoseDamnKids]

I'd like to know that too. What beneficials do you guys use with H&G?

there are bennies in roots excelurator and i add a tsp of greatwhite per gal every other feed for the first 4 weeks of a 10wk strain (adjust by strain)
along with a tsp of molasses per gal to feed those bennies

 

[ThoseDamnKids]

i run the whole line except for algen extract, magic green and drip clean. i use RO so i add calmag for the calcium. thinking of switching from the shooting powder to MOAB from MadFarmer, anyone currently using this with good results?

 

[K11ng]

So I was running an ebb and flow setup with 5 in pots and the product was outstanding but as far as yeild I was not satisfied due to the small pots and the strain . So what I decided to do with this next run is put each lady into 5 gal buckets with a continuos drip/dwc feed.
My question is do I keep the air pump running 24/7 or can I put it on a timer and stop the feed during certain parts of the day?
I have 3 mothers running on this system and there root system is getting massive and it seems that they are taking about a gal a day. So this being said I need to know if the girls will be ok with the pumps being shut off at certain parts of the day or better off during lights off.
I would love your guyes input and any suggesstions, as of rite now I'm going to leave the drip continuous till I get other options.
Also just a side note I am running leds and the grow medium is hydroton.

 

[Jozikins]

View attachment 1719326View attachment 1719327So I was running an ebb and flow setup with 5 in pots and the product was outstanding but as far as yeild I was not satisfied due to the small pots and the strain . So what I decided to do with this next run is put each lady into 5 gal buckets with a continuos drip/dwc feed.
My question is do I keep the air pump running 24/7 or can I put it on a timer and stop the feed during certain parts of the day?
I have 3 mothers running on this system and there root system is getting massive and it seems that they are taking about a gal a day. So this being said I need to know if the girls will be ok with the pumps being shut off at certain parts of the day or better off during lights off.
I would love your guyes input and any suggesstions, as of rite now I'm going to leave the drip continuous till I get other options.
Also just a side note I am running leds and the grow medium is hydroton.

In most cases people running "Molly Buckets" turn off their drip ring after they have some good strong roots in the drink. You can turn off your drip ring and see how your plants like that. The roots should be able to wick up enough water to keep your roots wet in the medium, the bubbling below helps that also. You will see a small window where your plants stop growing and developing, this is happening because new roots are rapidly forming because the root mass at the very base of the plant could be turning green because it isn't saturated anymore. I haven't fucked around with these buckets, even though I had a 12 site set up lent to me for a while, I never used it. But I learned enough about them to use them if I wanted too. Just raise the water level inside the bucket and turn off the dripper. Half the water they are drinking could likely be evaporated in the air while traveling from the ring back to the reservoir.

 

[Otokehort]

We have made up all of the various H&G solutions and have run an irrigation suitability analysis on them (gives you the nutrient profile of the solution). Thee analysis was performed by a mainstream horticulture water analysis lab that services Colorado's ag community ($$$$$).

The results show that the veg and early flower formulations look very similar to any other crop's nutritional profiles. The finishing profile is loaded with P&K just like any other mainstream blossom booster fertilizer, just a whole lot more P&K than anyone uses in mainstream hort... the Shooting powder is where the additional P&K comes from.

The long and the short of it is that H&G seems to use a good old fashioned solid nutritional formulation, no magic. Yes, we have replicated these solutions using inorganic fertilizers from Peters, Jack's, etc. There is more to do to understand the H&G products , such as higher salt loads in the solution at the end of flowering, etc.

Stay tuned!

www.otkehort.com

 

[Jozikins]

We have made up all of the various H&G solutions and have run an irrigation suitability analysis on them (gives you the nutrient profile of the solution). Thee analysis was performed by a mainstream horticulture water analysis lab that services Colorado's ag community ($$$$$).

The results show that the veg and early flower formulations look very similar to any other crop's nutritional profiles. The finishing profile is loaded with P&K just like any other mainstream blossom booster fertilizer, just a whole lot more P&K than anyone uses in mainstream hort... the Shooting powder is where the additional P&K comes from.

The long and the short of it is that H&G seems to use a good old fashioned solid nutritional formulation, no magic. Yes, we have replicated these solutions using inorganic fertilizers from Peters, Jack's, etc. There is more to do to understand the H&G products , such as higher salt loads in the solution at the end of flowering, etc.

Stay tuned!

www.otkehort.com

That is quite the project you have going on there, and you should be proud. I don't see myself getting a lot of benefit, I'm not up to scale for you guys. Plus I just finished rebuilding my entire bloom room!

Oh, and you screwed up your link, "Otke"

 

[K11ng]

when u say the bubbling below are you talking about when i have the air pump running? the roots are growing extremely quickly and should be sitting in the nutes within a few days. wait im reading what u said over and i think you mean keep the air pump running in the nutes and just disconnect the ring? is that rite? I am concerned with root rot but i guess that doesnt happen when you have the oxygen being pumped into the res. so your saying once the root system is strong that i can turn the ring off, and the roots will just feed off the res? thanx for your input any other info will be great

In most cases people running "Molly Buckets" turn off their drip ring after they have some good strong roots in the drink. You can turn off your drip ring and see how your plants like that. The roots should be able to wick up enough water to keep your roots wet in the medium, the bubbling below helps that also. You will see a small window where your plants stop growing and developing, this is happening because new roots are rapidly forming because the root mass at the very base of the plant could be turning green because it isn't saturated anymore. I haven't fucked around with these buckets, even though I had a 12 site set up lent to me for a while, I never used it. But I learned enough about them to use them if I wanted too. Just raise the water level inside the bucket and turn off the dripper. Half the water they are drinking could likely be evaporated in the air while traveling from the ring back to the reservoir.

 

[jdmcwestevo]

ok so i have been using house and garden for a while prolly over 10 cycles. i have used it in many mediums, and different grow systems. Drip feed hydro, ebb and flow tables and buckets, DWC buckets, and soil. as well as coco, rockwool, hydroton. here is a rundown from my experience with their stuff and what works well for me.

Aqua Flakes A+B= This is your normal Hydro base nutrient. it is a 2 part system that you mix in equal parts. Very clean doesnt leave residue in your tanks etc. Keeps plants green through flower and finish. This is what you use in rockwool, hydroton etc.

Coco A+B= This is your base nutrient for any type of coco medium. the difference with this and aqua flakes is some of the nutrients are at different levels to better be used in coco i believe they lower potassium if i remember correctly because there is already trace in coco....i can't remember, but anyway my plants in coco seem to like it a lot more than when i first fed them on aqua flakes can't explain it lol

Soil A+B= obviously used for soil. works great in my plants used with sunshine mix #4 an inert soil mainly peat moss and perlite i believe.

Roots Excelerator= this is a root enzyme that helps your roots get big. this stuff is the real fucking deal. when it comes to nutrients and growing there is always disagreements between my group of friends on what works etc. this is one thing that we ALL agree on no matter what they use for everything else this is their root enzyme additive. honestly you have to see it to believe how insane this stuff is. very very concentrated only 1ml a gallon which is amazing since it retails at $269 for 1L haha

Multi zyme= this stuff is used as another benny, it makes nutrients more available to the plant. i have used it seems to work fine, but in my opinion not a must have.

Bud XL= this is a bloom enhancer works very well in increasing your bud size throughout flower. i start adding this as soon as i see pre flowers forming all the way through until my mini 3 day flush.

Top Booster= this is another amazing product. you use this 6th week of flower it basicaly makes the tops go crazy tons of resin production and weight just packs on. it basically tells the plant that its biological clock is almost outta time and needs to get those buds pumped up. works awesome and very affordable.

Shooting Powder= This shit is rediculous. This is your PK spike super bloomer etc. like a MOAB or dry kool bloom or finisher. It is a dry powder one satchet is good for 25 gallons. You can literally see next day after adding this stuff how the buds increase in size. i have wowed so many people with the results from this. the buds literally grow another layer on top of each other. they say this starts a second bloom cycle essentially. this takes a lot out of your plants and can kill them if they are not healthy, so if your plants are dying this is not going to save them.

Drip Clean= this alone is a reason to run this line. Drip clean mixes at .5ml a gallon. it basically keeps nutrient salts from building up on your medium very very useful in rockwool. This is why i dont flush really mostly to rinse off everything than to actually flush plants. no chemical taste and all your equipment stays nice and clean. no slime or gunk on stuff like most other nutes leave behind.

i do add some outside stuff with my mix.

Great White= stuff works great with roots excelerator

Botanicare Sweet raw= this is a killer sweetener and feeds the great white and roots enzymes

Botanicare Cal-mag= needed in coco and if using RO water

GH Rhizotonic = Great root enzyme as well works well with roots excelerator

And a silicate additive depending

i mix my nutes no stronger than 1.4 EC normally right around 1.0 is ideal for most of veg and flower then i let it creep up around 1.2 with shooting powder its around 1.4 but it all depends on the plants and what they want. i have ran these nutes up to 2.7ec testing it out with no burn. it obviously stunted growth a lot but lots of trikes came from it haha in my avatar picture. i got it dialed now do not follow the amounts listed in their feed calculator that shit is crazy if you followed it you would be around 3.0ec half the time i cant even understand where they got those values from lol.

if you have questions feel free to ask me im subbed to this thread. i am also doing a comparrison with HG and Aptus in my sig. check it out

 

[Jozikins]

when u say the bubbling below are you talking about when i have the air pump running? the roots are growing extremely quickly and should be sitting in the nutes within a few days. wait im reading what u said over and i think you mean keep the air pump running in the nutes and just disconnect the ring? is that rite? I am concerned with root rot but i guess that doesnt happen when you have the oxygen being pumped into the res. so your saying once the root system is strong that i can turn the ring off, and the roots will just feed off the res? thanx for your input any other info will be great

Yep just keep the res bubbling and disconnect the hose. I also suggest raising the water level a little bit if it isn't already touching the net pot. If your plants absolutely hate this, done wait too long before switching back. I would hate to fuck up your crop with a method I am not absolutely familiar with. I have kept these up for somebody, and had some myself, but never ran any myself, so I could be potentially missing an important step.

jdmc may have experience with it, he seems to be wrist deep in most popular grow methods, he might be the guy to answer these questions.

 

[unity]

Hey, any of you guys just run Aqua Flakes A/B?

Kind

 

[jdmcwestevo]

Hey, any of you guys just run Aqua Flakes A/B?

Kind

during veg i just run that and the roots enzymes with drip clean. house and garden really shines because of the supplements

 

[unity]

during veg i just run that and the roots enzymes with drip clean. house and garden really shines because of the supplements

Yeah, well that is exactly what I'm trying to establish. Roots Accelerator runs $70 for the 250ml bottle.
I usually use hg's complete line with good results. I would rather use a complete base nutrient if such a thing exists. HG advertises on their site that Aqua flakes is a complete macro/micro nutrient, which I have a hard time believing since it ia derived from only 6 ingredients (I think). They also state that we should not need cal-mag with RO since Aqua flakes has 10-12% Cal-mag in it, but l know that that is bullshit, cause my girls go Ca-mg deficient if I do not add cal-mag.
Kind

 

[jdmcwestevo]

i didnt need cal mag when i used rockwool with aqua flakes. the coco formula you need more cal mag for sure in coco. i use the same amount of cal mag as i do each base. i would say you can do a complete run on only base nutes. i have seen dyna-gro with good results as a compatible base nutrient. also supernatural does well for my friend.