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LadyV

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I ran Pro-silicate and Calmag+ last run, started silica at rooted clone transplant ran through week 4 of 8 week flower. I'm ditching Calmag+ for something without Nitrogen this round in flower due to some nitrogen toxicity symptoms last round in week 4-5, if that's not enough I'll change ratios of A & B....just hate taking stabs in the dark because I can't get accurate ppms from product labels.

Put your calmag & silica in 1st, before bases, the silicate will bring ph up so you don't have to use as much (if any) up after adding A & B.

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LadyV

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berkman858 said:
I have been told there is plenty of Cal and Mg in the base nutes but I still have to add CalMg and MagAmped to take care of visible deficiencies.
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Hey berkman...curious....who told you there was plenty of Ca & Mg? I've left 3 messages for the rep out here since last Wed, got his number from Humbolt Wholesale, no phone call back yet.
 
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berkman858

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LadyV said:
Hey berkman...curious....who told you there was plenty of Ca & Mg? I've left 3 messages for the rep out here since last Wed, got his number from Humbolt Wholesale, no phone call back yet.
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The rep Robert Stroner and the product brochures told me that they had enough, but the guys at my hydro store and everyone else that actually uses it to grow MJ has told me to add CalMg. I decided to go one step further and also add MagAmped.
 
greentiger

greentiger

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Wondering if anyone could answer a few questions for me

when using R/O water for growing in Coco what ppm level am I shooting for before adding Base A + B coco (house and Garden). In other words, what ppm level should I have my water at before adding base nutrients (house and Garden).

Can I achieve this by adding Cal/Mag?

- I use the House and garden Full line
- My R/0 unit produces pure water 0-10 ppm

also I cant find out there what ppm levels Im shooting for after adding base nutrients and additives. once all nutrients are added if i wanted to raise the ppm level of my water should i just add more A+B to desired ppm level?

Thanks again in advance for any advice
 
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berkman858

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greentiger said:
Wondering if anyone could answer a few questions for me

when using R/O water for growing in Coco what ppm level am I shooting for before adding Base A + B coco (house and Garden). In other words, what ppm level should I have my water at before adding base nutrients (house and Garden).

Can I achieve this by adding Cal/Mag?

- I use the House and garden Full line
- My R/0 unit produces pure water 0-10 ppm

also I cant find out there what ppm levels Im shooting for after adding base nutrients and additives. once all nutrients are added if i wanted to raise the ppm level of my water should i just add more A+B to desired ppm level?

Thanks again in advance for any advice
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You want your water as close to 0 as possible, you don't need to add anything before adding A&B. The desired PPM after adding the base nutes changes depending on what week you are in AND should be adjusted according to the strain that you are growing. Some strains need more than others and some get burnt easily. I don't think there is anything written in stone as far as PPM values.
 
greentiger

greentiger

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berkman858 said:
You want your water as close to 0 as possible, you don't need to add anything before adding A&B. The desired PPM after adding the base nutes changes depending on what week you are in AND should be adjusted according to the strain that you are growing. Some strains need more than others and some get burnt easily. I don't think there is anything written in stone as far as PPM values.
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So when using the H&G line I shouldn't worry about any Cal mag issues? is there enough present in the base nutrients?
 
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berkman858

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greentiger said:
So when using the H&G line I shouldn't worry about any Cal mag issues? is there enough present in the base nutrients?
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No, there is not enough present in the base nutes. That's just what the marketing says. I use CalMag+ and MagAmped to get my CA and MG levels where they need to be.

I think you are confusing some things. You said you wanted to put CalMg in your R/O water to do what? Buffer the PH? It doesn't do that it only lowers the PH which can then be corrected. I add A, wait, add B, wait, add CalMag and MagAmped and then PH the water. Then I add the rest of the additives and compost TEA.
 
greentiger

greentiger

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berkman858 said:
No, there is not enough present in the base nutes. That's just what the marketing says. I use CalMag+ and MagAmped to get my CA and MG levels where they need to be.

I think you are confusing some things. You said you wanted to put CalMg in your R/O water to do what? Buffer the PH? It doesn't do that it only lowers the PH which can then be corrected. I add A, wait, add B, wait, add CalMag and MagAmped and then PH the water. Then I add the rest of the additives and compost TEA.
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Do you use the amount of Cal Mag and MagAmped suggested by whats on their bottles or do you determine the amount used by the condition of your plants?
 
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berkman858

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greentiger said:
Do you use the amount of Cal Mag and MagAmped suggested by whats on their bottles or do you determine the amount used by the condition of your plants?
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I use the recommended amount found on the bottle and then add more as needed. Some strains need more Mg than others and you can look for telltale signs like leaf tips curling upwards, purple stalks and stems, and serrated leaf edges. Of course these signs are not exclusive to Mg issues but are pretty good indicators.
 
Nightmarecreature

Nightmarecreature

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I'm pissed off. I called HG and they said there is enough Cal/Mag in Cocos A & B. It takes 3-4 weeks to see a Mag issue. Exactly 3-4 weeks later, I have a Calcium and Magnesium def in my plants. I corrected it but the damage was done and I lost some fan leaves.
Purple Stems, yellowing leaves with green veins are all signs of a Mag Def.
Cocos A & B also does not have enough Nitrogen. I have to add a small amount of nitrogen every other feeding.

Coco A & B is not perfect. Adding plain Nitrogen and using Cal/Mag makes it work a whole lot better.
 
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berkman858

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Nightmarecreature said:
I'm pissed off. I called HG and they said there is enough Cal/Mag in Cocos A & B. It takes 3-4 weeks to see a Mag issue. Exactly 3-4 weeks later, I have a Calcium and Magnesium def in my plants. I corrected it but the damage was done and I lost some fan leaves.
Purple Stems, yellowing leaves with green veins are all signs of a Mag Def.
Cocos A & B also does not have enough Nitrogen. I have to add a small amount of nitrogen every other feeding.

Coco A & B is not perfect. Adding plain Nitrogen and using Cal/Mag makes it work a whole lot better.
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I don't know why you are so pissed off. These nutrients aren't made specifically to grow cannabis. This plant requires more Ca and Mg than other plants, but I am sure the base nutes would be fine when growing other things like roses, which is what I think the H&G creator's family has been growing for decades. Also, if you paid more attention you would have probably noticed the Ca and Mg issues way before 3-4 weeks. It is really up to you the grower to read your plants and decide what they need.
 
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Inthegarden39

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Every feeding with a & b nitrogen boost, use half does to start. Need to pickup cal mag tomorrow as plants are showing signs of need at 16 days. Cocos does not provide enough have learned my lesson in the past. All varieties are showing deficiency, just some more than others.
 
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dudeman222

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you guys use the n27 nitrogen boost?
you use it at the same ratio you use A and B? (example if you use 25% of what they suggest for A&B you use 25% of the n27 suggested dose)
 
Nightmarecreature

Nightmarecreature

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berkman858 said:
I don't know why you are so pissed off. These nutrients aren't made specifically to grow cannabis. This plant requires more Ca and Mg than other plants, but I am sure the base nutes would be fine when growing other things like roses, which is what I think the H&G creator's family has been growing for decades. Also, if you paid more attention you would have probably noticed the Ca and Mg issues way before 3-4 weeks. It is really up to you the grower to read your plants and decide what they need.
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This is what they sent me.

"House and Garden has been made aware of possible cal-mag deficiencies within the Cocos A/B nutrient line. Holland is currently formulating their own H&G Cal Mag additive for gardeners such as yourself that experience these deficiencies, but there are plenty of gardeners that don't experience these deficiencies at all. I encourage you to try our new House and Garden Coco medium, it is buffered with cal-mag and PH buffered to ease the inconvenience of dealing with deficiencies. Thanks for supporting House and Garden. Peace!"
 
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berkman858

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Nightmarecreature said:
This is what they sent me.

"House and Garden has been made aware of possible cal-mag deficiencies within the Cocos A/B nutrient line. Holland is currently formulating their own H&G Cal Mag additive for gardeners such as yourself that experience these deficiencies, but there are plenty of gardeners that don't experience these deficiencies at all. I encourage you to try our new House and Garden Coco medium, it is buffered with cal-mag and PH buffered to ease the inconvenience of dealing with deficiencies. Thanks for supporting House and Garden. Peace!"
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Sounds good to me.
 
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