The plot to marginalize Bernie Sanders: The shared agenda that links Fox News and Hillary Clinton su

TBoneJack said:
Because the leader of the whole world should be free of cravings and possible brain chemistry changes that can occur with alcoholism.

And someone with the terrible judgement to allow themselves to become an alcoholic shouldn't be the final link in deciding to launch nuclear weapons, or in deciding not to. IMHO sir.
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can't you just smell the liquor off this .gif?:

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sloppy, dubya, just sloppy..and damn! doesn't he look like the old man!
 
desert dude said:
A rational post, with little name-calling. I like it!

The Danes fund their welfare state with oil. Why are the Danes able to pull this off, and the Venezuelans not? Venezuela has lots of natural resources as well.

You seem to admire the northern European style of socialism and disdain the Latin American style.

The poor Greeks are not sitting on lots of oil, so they are just out of luck.

What do you think will happen to the Danes given the recent plunge in oil prices precipitated by capitalist innovations? What will happen to the Danes when the 3X10^6 daily barrels of Iranian oil suddenly come on the open market?
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You are pointing out that Denmark's democratic socialist government is doing a good job of managing its natural resources. Don't you see how badly this supports your argument? All countries are playing the hand they were dealt, some hands aren't as good as others. Denmark is playing a good hand and playing it well. Do you think they haven't recognized the situation you described? Given their track record, they will do just fine. What about the US, what will happen to the oil-boom driven economy of certain red states when this price plunge driven by artificial influenced variables occurs? Assuming it does occur, that is.

And thanks for the reminder: you are a Nazi narco informant rat. I'm sure you've started a portfolio on me with the entry: communist.
 
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Fogdog said:
Communism is totalitarian rule by a central government headed by a small oligarchy and led by a single tyrant. If you want to take things to a "logical conclusion", how about this one: In the US, the status quo is headed towards -- if it hasn't already happened -- rule by an oligarchy of utra-rich with an almost complete control of the political process, financial system, capital, judicial process and so forth. Everybody else will be at the whim of this small group, basically one class of working poor. In other words, a system that looks more like communism than capitalism. Use modern day China as an example of what this looks like.

You and I choose democracy over monarchy, dictatorship and rule by a small oligarchy don't we? If so, then communism is out of the question. So too is rule by oligarchy. The only question remaining is what do we do about it. The genesis of the tea party before it was corrupted with Koch money and other extreme right wing groups also recognize the path we are on and are also putting forth their ideas. So great, assuming you don't support the status quo, let the best ideas win in the democratic process.

Regarding what I'm guessing you thought was a brilliant point about Greece and Venezuela, my reply is "so what?". What I keep hearing from the conservative echo chamber is that there is no better system than the status quo. I'm just pointing out that there are other systems that are working quite well. Why would you say that Denmark is headed towards a Greece-like fall? Compared to the US, which has a gross government debt-to-GDP 106%, Denmark's GDP-to-Debt ratio is 50%. The trends for both countries is towards lower debt, but I'd prefer 50% to 100%, wouldn't you? Just saying that its time to get your head out of the echo chamber-bucket and start looking for alternatives rather than listening to old men yelling lies at the public via radio or FOX which are paid for by the oligarchy .

Go Bernie
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marry me?
 
ttystikk said:
THIS.

The Powers That Be are terrified of Bernie Sanders! If he wins, then it's proof that the American people CAN influence their government- and no amount of slimy propaganda will ever convince them otherwise! The monied right wing elite, the Kochs, Adelson and more, want to smear him with nasty labels until one sticks. Smear campaigns are easy because they always attack the other guy, and your own miserable record isn't up for debate.
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+rep :clap:

precisely! and that is what this thread is all about because..guess what?

establishment (left and right) has finally figured out it's over for them..
 
rend pawl is not a libertarian.

unless, of course, libertarians now want to ban all abortions, make pot illegal, and deny equal rights to gay people.
 
desert dude said:
Nobody said speech = money, the ruling simply says you have a right to spend your money to promote your political ideas. If your ideas suck, no amount of money is going to make them palatable, and if you have great ideas a little bit of money to expose them to the public is enough.
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You're grossly underestimating the power of corporations and the influence those corporations hold over government. There are actual scientific studies that prove politicians cater to business interests, the problem is instead of accepting those studies, people like you have been taught to condemn the science. If something you believe is contradicted by science, it just reinforces your belief that the science is to blame, not your beliefs..
 
Padawanbater2 said:
You're grossly underestimating the power of corporations and the influence those corporations hold over government. There are actual scientific studies that prove politicians cater to business interests, the problem is instead of accepting those studies, people like you have been taught to condemn the science. If something you believe is contradicted by science, it just reinforces your belief that the science is to blame, not your beliefs..
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For fuck's sake, of course politicians are bought and paid for, I don't need a study to show me that politicians are bought and paid for. The Clintons are enough proof for anybody on that point. I am not under estimating anything.

You are not any better at science than any other schmuck on the internet, including me.
 
desert dude said:
For fuck's sake, of course politicians are bought and paid for, I don't need a study to show me that politicians are bought and paid for. The Clintons are enough proof for anybody on that point. I am not under estimating anything.

You are not any better at science than any other schmuck on the internet, including me.
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Who do you think buys politicians?
 
schuylaar said:
actually ann made the point of 'recovered' alcholic and one of her MOST famous quotes gave us:

I believe in recovery, and I believe that as a role model I have the responsibility to let young people know that you can make a mistake and come back from it.
~ann richards
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But Sky, alcoholism isn't a "mistake". It's a series of bad mistakes that scream "QUIT" all along the way.

But I respect Ann Richards for having the strength to finally quit and recover.
 
desert dude said:
Just evil teabaggers, obviously.
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Corporations and the people that run them

1. Executive donates to a politician's super PAC because First National Bank of Boston v. Bellotti established that corporations have first amendment rights

2. Politician votes on legislation according to said donors contributions, as is reflected in their completely public donations page

https://www.opensecrets.org/

For example, James Inhofe's largest contributor is the oil and gas industry and, surprise surprise, he's one of the biggest opponents of climate change legislation in congress

3. Votes reflect corporate donor's interests 95% of the time against the American people's interest

4. Said executives enjoy laxed regulations or government subsidies in their selected industries

5. American people pay for it via higher taxes on the poor and middle class, cuts in education, medical care and social safety net programs designed to help the poorest members of society

An added bonus is these executives tend to be in the weapons manufacturing business or financial sector so we end up with things like the Iraq war and the bank bailouts


This is all because of corporate money influencing politics
 
desert dude said:
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What the hell? I see an x-axis with libertarian spanning moderate and establishment and tea party spanning establisment and conservative christian. Does this mean that a Conservative Christian can't support the establishment? Well they do. . Or tea party doesn't support libertarian, well it does. The politician's names are spread out on the axis based upon moderate, establishment and conservative christian, which are not really linear at all. Whats causing the spread on the y axis? Those aren't Venn diagrams. What a mess.
 
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desert dude said:
For fuck's sake, of course politicians are bought and paid for, I don't need a study to show me that politicians are bought and paid for. The Clintons are enough proof for anybody on that point. I am not under estimating anything.

You are not any better at science than any other schmuck on the internet, including me.
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actually, based upon the earlier "diagram" that you posted, you are worse at science than most. Is it possible for you to stop being such a know it all and try to be open to different ideas?. I don't think you are stupid, you just aren't using your brains very much.
 
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