The Snake oil industry. Can i replace all your addiditves with 1 product?

Fuck I hate being a random greenhorn upstart Newby on his first thread but well we all start somewhere.
Well hi
Left school at 17, first job back in 97, Hydroponics farm. Tomatoes. Lava rock substrate approx 5,000 plants
Let's move forward to the older fatter balder me and here I am.
Suffice to say, I'm still a total noob, although i do see a lot of very expensive hydro lines out there and some amazing cheap organic wizards at work, I often smoke a bowl and head over to grow diaries only to see a huge divide with advanced nutrients leading the charge...the charge to your wallet and the organic brigade saving both money and the environment

So let's break this down a little (pun intended), Sure its all been done before by organic masters foraging through sites, isles, forests, backyards and gardens for all thier fave seeds for ,SST's or for a twist of aloe and a bit of coconut water, kelp, molasses/brown sugar, a splash of this and a dash of that, a top feed here or drench there. Nothing wrong with that at all, if you got the time and patients.

Many, like myself just CBF but at the same time hate seeing things like "4% plant extracts, 96% fuck you water". Or things like "100% organic carbohydrate's that contain more crop-boosting ingredients than any other organic booster product"
Oh well fuck me its "crop boosting AND its got carbs.....whaaa" Shut up and take my money.

But I digress. So heres1 product from the agricultural world of concentrates.
Let's start with say.........this


Plus Fe, N & K. Derived From: Kelp (Ascophyllum nodosum), PotassiumHumate, Gibberellic Acid, Fish Hydrolylsate, PlantExtracts, Simple and Complex Sugars and IronGlucoheptonate

Yucca schidigera(CAS 223749-05-1):N/AN/ANot listed in IFA databasePotassium humate(CAS 68514-28-3):N/AN/AN/AIron sulfate (CAS7782-63-0):No biological exposure limits noted for ingredient(s).1 mg/m3US. ACGIH Threshold Limit ValuesUS. NIOSH: Pocket Guide to Chemical Hazards MaterialFish hydrolysate (CAS N/A):N/AN/ANot listedPlant extracts (CAS 69235-69-4):N/AN/ANot listedMagnesium sulfate (CAS 13446-18-9):OralDermalInhalationN/A20.8 mg/kg bw/day36.7 mg/m3DNEL (Derived no effect level) OSHAKelp Extract (CAS 69235-69-4):N/AN/AN/A

May not seem like much to some but others may have noticed something. The dilution rate but also those ingredients, they seem familiar.
Yep, that's right, many of these organic substances are bottled into just 1 additive at something like gee I dunno 4ml per gallon and that's usually the minimum.

So what does this replace?
Let's look at advancey pants nutes.
It replaces :
ancient earth
Nirvana
Bud ignitor (without the npk)
Sensizyme
Carboload
B-52
Iguana Juice (most of it except npk)
Bud Candy
Big Bud (without the npk)
and Bud ignitor

If you want npk, jacks is good, GH maxigrow (NOT Maxibloom Phostards KISS) is ok along with masterblend and a few other, plus nothing wrong with a bit of potash & dark brown sugar late bloom to replicate terpinator if your into that thing

Lots of good info at Med-Tek.
Hit me up if your unsure of what ingredient in essential 1-0-1 replaces the ingredient in your overpriced line.

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Microbial innoculants. Can they induce biomass accumulation and salt tolerance with lower sodium accumulation?

Nice Advert dude, DILUTION RATE 85ML PER 550LTR?

How is this any different from the other snake oil products? It appears to be just kelp, amino acids, b vitamins, and some other stuff for $35 a quart. I don't use any of those other products you listed and I still grow nice healthy plants with good yields and nice dense buds. For the $35 a quart they want I can make gallons of the stuff. I just use a balanced mix of nutrients, keep the environment good for the plants, lots of light, and good genetics. That's all you really need to do. Like I said, I've never used any of those other products and never will. But I don't really see how this is any different. It's another expensive additive that you don't need if you know how to grow.

Next time I'm down under ,I'll pick me one up mate.

I think most of the people here have been off the expensive snake oil for quite a long time now...

I've been off the organic train for a long time too, it's not that good ime. All I need is a good 20-20-20 the whole cycle and it's perfect. I spend around 15$ a year on nutes for a 2kw room...

budman111 said:

Nice Advert dude, DILUTION RATE 85ML PER 550LTR?

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haha, yeah. I dont work for these fuckers or anything. Just thought id share some agricultural grade products. And yes it really is 85mls per 550ltr as a recharge. Which basically means if you feed with every fertigation. This stuff is meant for gigantic farms, I only lnow about it through work and ive been using ot for a while. With impressive results especially cloning and late veg/transition. back off it a bit after that

xtsho said:

How is this any different from the other snake oil products? It appears to be just kelp, amino acids, b vitamins, and some other stuff for $35 a quart. I don't use any of those other products you listed and I still grow nice healthy plants with good yields and nice dense buds. For the $35 a quart they want I can make gallons of the stuff. I just use a balanced mix of nutrients, keep the environment good for the plants, lots of light, and good genetics. That's all you really need to do. Like I said, I've never used any of those other products and never will. But I don't really see how this is any different. It's another expensive additive that you don't need if you know how to grow.

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True cuz, very true. The 5 biosperes always come first, and hell its a weed. throw up some 3.5k QBs, quality substrate, a balanced but low P fertigation regiment or decomposing materials and you got yourself some great product but just cause you know it, dosnt take away from the fact that thousands of people are spending cash on nutes that can be replicated at far more concentrated amounts than they may relise. I mean 85ml per 550ltr for hydro fertigations as a recharge apilication means that that 35 buckaroos your chewing on could last months, years even for a small time grower. The stuff is great for cloning and if used wisely can produce things that make me go oooooo


Now see this is with essential, jacks all rounder, tap water, Bacillus subtilis GB03, Great White fungi (only on transplant for direct contact) week 6 potash/phosphate & dark brown sugar (no N) then just carbonated potassium and bio activators till chop with 48 hours dark no flush/washed . If your grow is perfect and you wanna test out the waters of natural hormones plus some other well documented organic compaounds then its a hell of a better snake oil than most Also that other stuff is food for microbes, complex sugars, soy protiens, PotassiumHumate, Gibberellic Acid, wetting agent to allow for foliar applications and some Fish Hydrolylsate. I mainly like it for its stability in my rez.cbf cleaning.

Schwagg#12 said:

Next time I'm down under ,I'll pick me one up mate.

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Get on it cuz. Its rebranded all over the world since growth tech owns the stuff and mostly sells it to farmers in bulk, Can be difficult to get without a trade account with it being recorded in some countries and states if buying it by the gallon

growingforfun said:

I think most of the people here have been off the expensive snake oil for quite a long time now...

I've been off the organic train for a long time too, it's not that good ime. All I need is a good 20-20-20 the whole cycle and it's perfect. I spend around 15$ a year on nutes for a 2kw room...

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i hear ya buddy. Keep it simple stoner. Way too much P for me there. I do love a good micro heard and my great white fungi likes a good 213 veg and 113 bloom but thats just my preference to not run a sterile rez but i hear ya cuz. less is more.

More trichs that is. So chumpy you could carve it

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