The Worst President In U.S. History.

medicineman

medicineman

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Seamaiden said:
MM, did you watch the Dissident Frogman video? If not, please do, it's actually quite funny.

Maybe someone has to speak with these people (Hammas), however, talking may not do much good. You have to admit that Israel has tried to extend the olive branch, even having armed conflicts with their own citizens in order to allow Pallies to reclaim some of "their" land back. For Carter, however, to be the point-man is ludicrous given the information Dave provided. It's as ludicrous as Al Gore being given a fucking Nobel prize for a film that was determined by UK courts to be scientifically invalid.
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In my humble estimation, Israel is the devil incarnate. I know, I know, they are supposed to be Gods people, but they absolutely fuck over those palestinians and in fact all their Arab neighbors, every chance they get, and we blindly support their every action. I say, stop supporting them and let the marbles roll, pull out of the middle east, set up blocades at the ports and offer them 20.00 a barrel, fuck-em. Lets get back to .50 a gallon gas.
 
ViRedd

ViRedd

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Looks like your hero of the Uber-Left disagrees with you Med: :hump:

Obama criticizes ex-President Carter's Hamas meeting

Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:40pm EDT
By Ellen Wulfhorst

PHILADELPHIA (Reuters) - Democratic White House hopeful Barack Obama on Wednesday disagreed with former President Jimmy Carter's overtures toward Hamas, saying he would not talk to the Islamist group until it recognized Israel and renounced terrorism.

The Illinois senator, campaigning in Pennsylvania which holds the next presidential voting contest on Tuesday, told a group of Jewish leaders he has an "unshakable commitment" to help protect Israel from its "bitter enemies."

"That's why I have a fundamental difference with President Carter and disagree with his decision to meet with Hamas," Obama said. "We must not negotiate with a terrorist group intent on Israel's destruction. We should only sit down with Hamas if they renounce terrorism, recognize Israel's right to exist and abide by past agreements."

"Hamas is not a state. Hamas is a terrorist organization," he said.

Obama's opponents have criticized him for saying as president he would be willing to meet with foreign leaders who are hostile to the Unites States. Democrat Hillary Clinton and Republican John McCain have called those comments naive and said such meetings would bestow credibility on those leaders.

Obama and New York Sen. Clinton are waging a tight battle for the Democratic nomination to face Arizona Sen. McCain in the November election. Obama leads in pledged delegates who will pick that nominee but the final decision may come down to party officials and dignitaries called superdelegates.

Carter, 83, is one of those superdelegates who can vote for anyone and has not said who he supports, but has hinted he favors Obama.

During his one term as U.S. president from 1977 to 1981, Carter brokered Israel's 1979 peace treaty with Egypt. The 2002 Nobel Peace Prize winner is visiting the Middle East and has angered Israeli leaders by meeting with Hamas officials and making plans to meet the group's top leader, Khaled Meshaal, in Syria.

Hamas took control of the Gaza Strip by force in June and has rejected Western demands to recognize Israel, renounce violence and accept existing Israeli-Palestinian interim peace deals. The Bush administration also opposes Carter's planned meeting with Meshaal.

Obama said the greatest threat to Israel comes from Iran and said the United States should talk to Iran directly.

"My approach to Iran will be based upon aggressive diplomacy," he said.

"What it means is that we come to the table with a very clear set of objectives and a very clear set of demands -- that Iran ceases from pursuing nuclear weapons, that it stops funding Hezbollah and Hamas, that it ends its noxious statements about Israel and the threats directed towards Israel," he said.

"The current policy of not talking is not working and I believe its time to change that," he said.
 
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Stinkystu

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I believe that the majority of the probs in this country stem from Lincoln. I mean what did he actually do? He used our military to stop certain states from leaving the union which by the way there was no law prohibiting states from doing just that. In my opinion that moment was when we became the "world police". Now days there is no tolerance coming out of America, either you do as we say or we throw our military at you.
 
medicineman

medicineman

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ViRedd said:
Looks like your hero of the Uber-Left disagrees with you Med: :hump:

Obama criticizes ex-President Carter's Hamas meeting

Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:40pm EDT
By Ellen Wulfhorst

PHILADELPHIA (Reuters) - Democratic White House hopeful Barack Obama on Wednesday disagreed with former President Jimmy Carter's overtures toward Hamas, saying he would not talk to the Islamist group until it recognized Israel and renounced terrorism.

The Illinois senator, campaigning in Pennsylvania which holds the next presidential voting contest on Tuesday, told a group of Jewish leaders he has an "unshakable commitment" to help protect Israel from its "bitter enemies."

"That's why I have a fundamental difference with President Carter and disagree with his decision to meet with Hamas," Obama said. "We must not negotiate with a terrorist group intent on Israel's destruction. We should only sit down with Hamas if they renounce terrorism, recognize Israel's right to exist and abide by past agreements."

"Hamas is not a state. Hamas is a terrorist organization," he said.

Obama's opponents have criticized him for saying as president he would be willing to meet with foreign leaders who are hostile to the Unites States. Democrat Hillary Clinton and Republican John McCain have called those comments naive and said such meetings would bestow credibility on those leaders.

Obama and New York Sen. Clinton are waging a tight battle for the Democratic nomination to face Arizona Sen. McCain in the November election. Obama leads in pledged delegates who will pick that nominee but the final decision may come down to party officials and dignitaries called superdelegates.

Carter, 83, is one of those superdelegates who can vote for anyone and has not said who he supports, but has hinted he favors Obama.

During his one term as U.S. president from 1977 to 1981, Carter brokered Israel's 1979 peace treaty with Egypt. The 2002 Nobel Peace Prize winner is visiting the Middle East and has angered Israeli leaders by meeting with Hamas officials and making plans to meet the group's top leader, Khaled Meshaal, in Syria.

Hamas took control of the Gaza Strip by force in June and has rejected Western demands to recognize Israel, renounce violence and accept existing Israeli-Palestinian interim peace deals. The Bush administration also opposes Carter's planned meeting with Meshaal.

Obama said the greatest threat to Israel comes from Iran and said the United States should talk to Iran directly.

"My approach to Iran will be based upon aggressive diplomacy," he said.

"What it means is that we come to the table with a very clear set of objectives and a very clear set of demands -- that Iran ceases from pursuing nuclear weapons, that it stops funding Hezbollah and Hamas, that it ends its noxious statements about Israel and the threats directed towards Israel," he said.

"The current policy of not talking is not working and I believe its time to change that

Hey dumbass, he's running for POTUS, ya gotta have the jews behind you. They control the money.
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ViRedd

ViRedd

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"Hey dumbass, he's running for POTUS, ya gotta have the jews behind you. They control the money."

Oprah's a Jew? News to me. :mrgreen:

Vi
 
Seamaiden

Seamaiden

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Well, I don't see the Jews as a race as much as a religion. Nor are they exactly synonymous with "black", so I figure the more general term, "prejudice", is what would apply here.
 
bongspit

bongspit

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Seamaiden said:
Well, I don't see the Jews as a race as much as a religion. Nor are they exactly synonymous with "black", so I figure the more general term, "prejudice", is what would apply here.
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well...just wondering...I have been around black folks my whole life and I am jewish...so I don't think I am pre judging anyone...:mrgreen:
 
Seamaiden

Seamaiden

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bongspit said:
well...just wondering...I have been around black folks my whole life and I am jewish...so I don't think I am pre judging anyone...:mrgreen:
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My apologies, I should have quoted what caught my eye. The quote that caught me was the one about "Jews control all the money". Kinda rubbed me the wrong way, and it's one thing to have a problem with how a given country's government acts, but quite another to paint the entire population of a religious group with the same brush.

I won't even accept it for Israelis, just as I won't for the following groups:
Men
Women
Whites
Blacks
Asians
Monkeys
Christians
Jews
Zoroastrians

I will accept it for this one group in the population:
Assholes

Because an asshole is an asshole, no matter what color s/he's painted. ;)
 
bongspit

bongspit

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Seamaiden said:
My apologies, I should have quoted what caught my eye. The quote that caught me was the one about "Jews control all the money". Kinda rubbed me the wrong way, and it's one thing to have a problem with how a given country's government acts, but quite another to paint the entire population of a religious group with the same brush.

I won't even accept it for Israelis, just as I won't for the following groups:
Men
Women
Whites
Blacks
Asians
Monkeys
Christians
Jews
Zoroastrians

I will accept it for this one group in the population:
Assholes

Because an asshole is an asshole, no matter what color s/he's painted. ;)
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finally...someone defending mazdaism..
 
ViRedd

ViRedd

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"Jews control all the money".

Yes, I've been hearing this all my long-lived life. It always rubs me the wrong way too. Hey, I'm not Jewish, but I DO have some VERY good Jewish friends. It seems that most of my Jewish friends are broke ... or close to it.

I have a hard time with racists ... and anti-semites.

My original question was asked because I really want to know: Why are most Jewish Americans supporting the Democrats? The modern-day Democratic Party is in favor of state supremacy and anti-Isreal/Jew ... as was Stalin ... as was Hitler. So, in view of what happened during the Holocaust ... why?

Vi
 
natrone23

natrone23

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The modern-day Democratic Party is in favor of state supremacy and anti-Isreal/Jew ... as was Stalin ... as was Hitler.

Vi is there a diference between being anti-Israel and being anti-semitic, Or are you a anti-semite if you critisize Israels policies
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40acres

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Wow, I just read this and realized that none of you are history majors. Try Grant. Or hoover. Just because you heard Carter was bad, doesnt mean you did any follow up.
 
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