Things to Know About Lighting

southern homegrower

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i have a 1000 watt hps with lumatek ballest. i have a air cooled great white hood if i cool it whith 66 to 70 degree air will i need a light defuser? i have asked this ? on other threads know one can give me a answer.
 

KaliKitsune

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i have a 1000 watt hps with lumatek ballest. i have a air cooled great white hood if i cool it whith 66 to 70 degree air will i need a light defuser? i have asked this ? on other threads know one can give me a answer.
Well, your question doesn't make sense. What does temp of the bulb have to do with diffusing a beam of light?
 

born2killspam

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No diffusers are for spectrum mixing, and general general light spreading (diffusion).. Any barrier will 'help' keep heat away from the tops, but only with ventillation in the long run, and will also eat light.. Cool-tubes are about as effective as you get..
 

southern homegrower

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No diffusers are for spectrum mixing, and general general light spreading (diffusion).. Any barrier will 'help' keep heat away from the tops, but only with ventillation in the long run, and will also eat light.. Cool-tubes are about as effective as you get..
thanks ben asking that? for over a week
 

KaliKitsune

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I would like to see a cool tube made with ultra-thin materials to minimize the loss of light. Carbon assembly and super-thin lexan sheet?
 

craigx

Active Member
Great posts, this is really going to help me with my grow, thanks alot to everyone who posted useful information.
 

MeenGreen

Active Member
Hey guys great place here.....

So I have 1 shop light with 2 cfl t5 cool white bulbs 28wt that are 4ft.

I also have 2 shop lights with 2 reg flourescent t12s 40 wt each.

What would work best for me?I just got done with germination and put my seeds in soil.

Dont really have much else to work with at the time?Will one of these work?If not what is a cheap cfl to start the growing process?

Thanks to all
 

born2killspam

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Yea, start with both of those, then get a few bigger cfl's too.. 42W ones were $11 each last time I saw them.. Or go to a lighting/electrical place and get an hps setup for $50-100..
 

born2killspam

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More watts always better.. But I'd HIGHLY advise you to look into HID.. Its actually far cheaper in the long run.. Go to electrical/lighting outfitters in the industrial area of your town, and you can get a sweet light for less than $50.. Adequate fluoros will actually cost more if you really wanna grow some dope..
 

purpdaddy

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Lumens Per Square Foot
To determine how many lumens per square foot you have, find out the square footage of your space by multiplying the width and depth. Divide the lumens available by your square footage. This will give you lumens per square foot. For example, say your space is 3 feet deep by 4 feet wide, for a total of 12 square feet. The total lumens available from your light(s) is 45,000 lumens, which means you have 3,750 lumens per square foot.
Light Do I Need?
Technology has advanced so much in the last 15 years that we are constantly refining the process and updating what we know works best for growing. Current theory holds that the minimum amount of lighting needed to sustain growth is around 2,000 lumens per square foot. Mid range is around 5,000 lumens per square foot. Optimal is 7,000 to 7,500 or higher lumens per square foot.
 
How much light is needed for growing?
The answer depends on if you are growing small plants, in a small space, or large plants, and have a larger space to grow in. I'll try to answer this "in general" instead of being specific to one size plant.
Light seen and perceived with the human eye is measured in Lumens. There is an ideal amount of lumens for growing and a minimum amount of lumens. The very minimum amount of light required for smaller sized plants grown in the SH System is around 3000 lumens per square foot. Let me put emphasis on "minimum amount" of light. However, that's not 100% exactly accurate, since although you may have a 10,000 lumen light, the amount of light that reaches the plant varies with the distance between the light and plants, and the reflectivity of the grow area. The ideal amount is somewhere around 7000-10,000 lumens per square foot for average sized plants. As long as the plants do not show burn, as much light can be used as you want to use. (Note, the sun produces about 10,000 lumens per square foot, on a sunny mid summer day).

Determining lumens for your grow area:
First determine the square footage of your area (example in a 4 foot by 4 foot area, there is 16 square feet) If you have a 1000 Watt High Pressure Sodium Light Bulb, that produces approximately 107,000 lumens. Divide this by 16 (your square footage) 107,000 divided by 16 = 6687 lumens per square foot. So just divide the total amount of Lumens, by the total amount of square feet, and that's your lumens per square foot.

How far away from my plants do the lights go?
The lights in your grow room should be as close as possible to the plants without burning them. There is no such thing as too much light, unless there is overly sufficient heat to dry out and burn the leaves. A good rule is to put your hand under the light, if its too hot for your hand, chances are that the plants will be too hot too, so move the light up until your hand feels more comfortable. For seedlings or sprouts, I keep them a little further away from the light, because they are very susceptible to burning and drying out, at these young stages.

How do I decide which lights to use?
Efficiency is very important when choosing a type of light. The wattage is not the most important thing, different types of light produce different amounts of lumens per watt. For example, a 300 watt incandescent will produce about 5100 lumens. (not that you can grow with incandescent bulbs) While a 300 watt Metal Halide (just an example, they do not come in 300 watts), will produce 27,000 lumens. Obviously far more efficient for growing, while still using the same amount of electricity.

Approximate light production:
Incandescents: 17 lumens/watt
Mercury vapor: 45-50 lumens/watt
Fluorescents: 60-70 lumens/watt
Metal halide: 90 lumens/watt
High pressure sodium: 107 lumens/watt


Incandescent lights: Incandescent bulbs are the most popular type of lights in the world. They may come advertised as incandescent, tungsten, quartz, halogen, or simply standard. The important thing about incandescent bulbs when it come to growing is simply this: they suck. Using incandescent bulbs to grow plants is like trying to flag down the Space Challenger with a burnt out match! You can do it, but it won't work. There are some incandescents which are sold as "grow lights." They usually have a blue coating and usually come in 60W and 120W sizes. While they may seem like a good choice to new growers, they are next to useless; they produce some light at a usable spectrum, but only have about a 5% efficiency and generate more heat than usable light. Most of us have these in our homes right now. Don't use them for growing, instead opt for a Compact Fluorescent as a cheaper but more efficient alternative.

Fluorescent lights: Fluorescents are far more useful than incandescents. They are efficient enough, and much less expensive than HID (High Intensity Discharge) lights. Compact fluorescent tubes, (commonly called CFLs) are popular with growers because of their good output to size ratio. Compared to standard 4 foot tubes, CFLs are smaller, more easily moved, and more can fit into a smaller given area. CFLs are good for small grows on a tight budget, and for novice growers, since they do not require any special sort of wiring or understanding of the necessary bulbs for a given fixture, and the small wattage ones (23, 42 and 65) are very widely available. Fluorescent lights come in many different Kelvin (spectrum or color) ratings; often the spectrums are labeled on packaging as being 'cool white' or 'warm white.' Cool white is more blue, and is good for the vegetative stages of growth. The bulbs are ultra white. Warm white light is more reddish in spectrum, and is best for the flowering stage. The bulbs are almost cream colored.

Color rating - Measured in Kelvin (K). The higher the number, the more bluish the light. 4000K-7000K is mostly on the blue side of the spectrum for Vegging or GROWING, while 3000K and under goes from a white spectrum, to a redder spectrum and is best for BLOOMING or FLOWERING.


High Intensity Discharge (HID) Lighting Systems:

Mercury Vapor (MV)
Mercury vapor lights are not the most efficient light for growing. They are very bright, and relatively cheap. They do emit light at the wavelengths necessary to support your plants growth, but not nearly as good as a MH or HPS light. Much of the light emitted by MV lights is bluish-white. Street lighting is what most MV lighting is used for.

Metal Halide (MH)
Metal halide lighting systems are optimal for use in the vegetative phase of growing. They emit mostly blue light, which encourages vigorous growth of foliage. They are very efficient, but can get rather expensive to start with; fluorescents may seem more appealing because of their lower price, and they are not much different when compared on a lumen-to-lumen cost level. These lights can be used through-out the grow, but leave a lot to be desired in the BLOOM stage.

High Pressure Sodium (HPS)
High pressure sodium lights emit mostly orange, yellow, and red spectrum light, which is perfect for the flowering stage of the plants growth. They are (in my opinion) the most efficient type of light available for any application if you are not on a budget and can vent the grow area for heat. HPS lights can be used through-out the entire grow. They produce more dense and usually larger flowers or fruit than any other light. HPS lights are generally a little more expensive than MH systems of similar wattage. They are more commonly used by experienced commercial growers because of their ability to produce tighter denser flowers, higher lumen-output-per-watt, and will produce from start to finish.

Just like everything else, available grow lights are evolving. Remember how the sun produces 10,000 lumens per square foot in the mid-summer. Well, today 3 105 watt CFLs in a good reflector can actually duplicate those lumens with CFLs. If you can not grow under the sun, then bring the sun inside. Yes, you can have 20,000 lumens covering the entire grow space of one of the SH systems now with their new 105 watt per bulb CFLs. Three of these bulbs in the proper reflector actually yields 20,000 lumens.
Comparing prices to lumens, and sticking to CFLS, you can not do any better.
I always want to repeat that HID lights are much much better for growing, but they cost more and produce much more heat. CFLs are good for small grows on a tight budget, and for novice growers, since they do not require any special sort of wiring or understanding of the necessary bulbs for a given fixture, and the small wattage ones (23, 42 and 65) are very widely available, even at Walley World, Lows and Home Depot.
You can run
hps light through both stages of growth (ok).
mh light through both stages of growth (ok).
run a mh light through the veg phase of growth followed by hps light through flowering (very good).
run both mh and hps light through both stages of growth (best).
When given the choice of only one light, most marijuana growers will choose an hps grow light over mh, because hps lights are more efficient (larger harvest).
You can't use a standard high pressure sodium bulb in a metal halide fixture, but you can use a metal halide bulb in a high pressure sodium fixture of the same wattage.
There are special hps bulbs that can be used in a mh fixture and vice-versa. But these conversion bulbs cost about double the price of a standard bulb.
A 250 watt fixture will supply enough light to cover a 2.5 foot by 2.5 foot grow area. (6 plants or less)
A 400 watt fixture will supply enough light to cover a 4 foot by 4 foot grow area. (12 plants or less)
A 600 watt fixture will supply enough light to cover a 5 foot by 5 foot grow area. (18 plants or less)
A 1000 watt fixture will supply enough light to cover a 6.5 foot by 6.5 foot grow area. (30 plants or less)
In order for the heat produced by a light system not to harm the plant, a 250 watt light system should be started 18 to 30 inches above the tops of the plants, a 400 watt light system should be started 3 to 4 feet above the tops of the plants
Whatever your light source, replace bulbs after 6 to 12 months of use. If the light is on 24 hours a day replace it after 6 months. If the light is on 18 hours a day replace it after 9 months. If the light is on 12 hours a day replace it after 12 months.
Hopefully this answeres alot of you guys questions!
 

born2killspam

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Ideally HPS.. You want something with 3000 or so Kelvin color index ideally.. HPS are cheap if you buy them right.. Just go to a lighting place and tell them you want an HPS for your garage.. They won't ask questions... They know the game..
And if they do ask questions just say you want it because its the most power efficient light going..
 

born2killspam

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And then there is that lumens bullshit that have FUCK ALL to do with plants.. God Damn lumen talk pisses me off on pot growing forums..
 

purpdaddy

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And then there is that lumens bullshit that have FUCK ALL to do with plants.. God Damn lumen talk pisses me off on pot growing forums..
please tell me that ur high and not serious!Better pissed off than pissed on.The proper lumen/LUX output is very necissary for an optimal grow. unless you like thin spindly buds,or you have to use more bulbs.GO HID with the correct lumen output and SEE the difference.Theres so many unanswered questions here.
 

purpdaddy

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Halides and High Pressure Sodium lights suck down many watts but they put out a lot of “lumens,” which are the units of measurement used to describe light intensity. These lights are used in grow rooms, but also are used to illuminate warehouses, baseball diamonds, football fields, roads, parking lots and many other places where huge amounts of light are needed.
Metal Halide (MH) light produces an intense light of a blue-white spectrum excellent for vegetative growth. High-Pressure Sodium (HPS) is an orange-tinted light that simulates the red hue of autumn and is often used as the only light source during flowering phase. The most successful growers use a combination of MH and HPS in a ratio of three HPS to every one MH bulb. This is because MH alone often results in too much stem and leaf growth, with long internodes and delayed flowering and less flowering sites. With HPS augmentation, plants are shorter with more budding sites, and tighter, thicker buds with higher yields.
 
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