This isn't over.

DIY-HP-LED

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It is hard when you have Trump making dick jokes like this to not get defensive when talking about Trump and pseudo-royalty.

Took me a while to figure out what "NL" meant, I was really getting concerned I didn't know which Canadian province that was.
Newfoundland is NFLD, don't ask me why...
 

RonnieB2

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Trump isn't done with this yet. If he has to make a choice between marshaling a bunch of stupid, gun-toting idiots to support him and accepting his defeat, well...


Amazing that anybody watching the forceful butt-fucking by coronavirus that the country is dealing with as Trump dithers, tweets and golfs could still support him. Just amazing. My mind boggles. I guess I now know how monarchies managed to stay in power as long as they have - a lot of people really want that shit.
Trump is scared of legal issues after he leaves office. Remember hes still the only uncharged co-conspirator in history not to be indicted, yet. That's why he was called individual number 1. Trump is facing many legal issues now
 

DIY-HP-LED

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It is hard when you have Trump making dick jokes like this to not get defensive when talking about Trump and pseudo-royalty.

Took me a while to figure out what "NL" meant, I was really getting concerned I didn't know which Canadian province that was.
Remember, a lot of the Trumpers on these threads are Canadians, a disproportionate amount when compared to the American idiots here. You are not alone, Brexit proved this too, but broadcasting disinformation is more difficult there. I need to study up on Brexit a bit more, Russians were there, but there must be homegrown forces and media too that they allied with. I got that Nigel LaFarge idiot pegged as a Russian agent. The whole thing made no sense and was xenophobic and fear driven, a reaction to globalization and unmet social needs.
 

schuylaar

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Yikes, you sound a bit like the CCP responding to criticism on China. As if I hit a nationalistic nerve because I dared to criticize the holy constitution.

Equating monarchy to Trump’s desired autocracy is just wrong, as you know. That’s of the same level as saying the US is a constitutional republic but not a democracy.

There’s nothing rational about the “they said the same things when ...” stuff. As if unasked and bad advice hundreds of years ago means anything now. As if the ”other western countries” form a hundreds of years old entity that should be distrusted and ignored. If that’s your thing, you might enjoy Russia.

It’s ok to fuck up now and then but when it’s the most powerful and thus potentially the most dangerous country in the world, with a military presence in our backyard, you can’t expect others not to comment on it. Especially when we’ve seen it before. Don’t expect non-Americans to keep their opinions to themselves as if it doesn’t concern them, because it does. So in advance, you are most welcome, please pass it on to Biden :)

I’m obviously not suggesting you go monarchy, as you know too, or go multiparty for that matter, I was illustrating the close margin isn’t as close as it seems and that that would be more obvious in case there were for example 4 parties.


Born, raised, and harvested.
had a feeling- you're too cool for this place.

Q: does Germany re-enact Nazi life like America does the Civil War and allowed to fly their Confederate flag of treason? do you know any other countries in the world that allow this?
 
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Fogdog

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Yikes, you sound a bit like the CCP responding to criticism on China. As if I hit a nationalistic nerve because I dared to criticize the holy constitution.

Equating monarchy to Trump’s desired autocracy is just wrong, as you know. That’s of the same level as saying the US is a constitutional republic but not a democracy.

There’s nothing rational about the “they said the same things when ...” stuff. As if unasked and bad advice hundreds of years ago means anything now. As if the ”other western countries” form a hundreds of years old entity that should be distrusted and ignored. If that’s your thing, you might enjoy Russia.

It’s ok to fuck up now and then but when it’s the most powerful and thus potentially the most dangerous country in the world, with a military presence in our backyard, you can’t expect others not to comment on it. Especially when we’ve seen it before. Don’t expect non-Americans to keep their opinions to themselves as if it doesn’t concern them, because it does. So in advance, you are most welcome, please pass it on to Biden :)

I’m obviously not suggesting you go monarchy, as you know too, or go multiparty for that matter, I was illustrating the close margin isn’t as close as it seems and that that would be more obvious in case there were for example 4 parties.


Born, raised, and harvested.
I have the sense that Trump wasn't going to be satisfied with an autocracy. I do think he was trying to install a hereditary monarchy. He claimed the powers of a king during his impeachment trial in the Senate. As for his successors, why else were Ivanka and Jared lurking behind him? From his actions after this election, I don't think he's done trying to dismantle our democracy in order to stay in power either.

We are experiencing radical (to us) demographic and social change. The state of our government is going to be messy and dynamic for a while. Those who support the status quo clearly don't care about our democracy and they scare the shit out of me too. Feel free to criticize all you want. Also, advise you to tell your own government to be wary of making agreements with the US while we swing back and forth in who holds power in this country. Change rarely takes a straight line. Chances are good that after Biden will come another ethno-nationalist Republican leader. That said, we took an important first step toward removing Trump and his ethno-nationalist government from the halls of power. We are working hard to expand voter rolls as a bulwark against the minority who are the ethno-nationalists. Isn't that what you would have advised? (If we had asked)
 

printer

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"Rudy Giuliani and other members of President Trump’s personal legal team will reportedly not be at a meeting Friday with two Michigan lawmakers due to an exposure to COVID-19, two sources familiar with the matter told Axios.

Axios’s Jonathan Swan reported that on a Trump campaign call Friday morning with Eric Herschmann, a lawyer on the White House staff, Herschmann said the legal team would not be present at the meeting later that day.

According to the sources who spoke to Axios, one participant said that Andrew Giuliani, a White House staffer and son of Rudy Giuliani, had tested positive for the virus, while another said that the older Giuliani should not attend the meeting later in the day due to likely exposure to his son.

The sources added that Trump campaign lawyer Jenna Ellis said if Giuliani had been exposed, the entire legal team had likely been, as well.

One of the sources told Axios that the legal team has been meeting for days in a conference room at Trump campaign headquarters in Arlington, Va., and that Andrew Giuliani had been around all of them."



Bet you none of them had a mask on.
 

Fogdog

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Political science encompasses more than American politics, myself, I've just mentioned things other Americans are thinking and options they are mulling over, the Americans who will actually do something about it. Human nature is transnational, political systems just try to contain and direct it in hopefully a beneficial direction. America has and will learn lessons from the successes and failures of others. The current lesson involves fascism, it's causes and prevention.
May I offer advice to Canada?

"Canada-nice" is really just another way of avoiding difficult conversations. You have a problem with racism in your country and it's better that Canada deal with it now rather than wait for it to become a crisis. The US avoided dealing with it's severe racism far too long and you should learn from our example. Don't avoid the issue of racism. Take it on and get past it before it becomes a crisis.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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May I offer advice to Canada?

"Canada-nice" is really just another way of avoiding difficult conversations. You have a problem with racism in your country and it's better that Canada deal with it now rather than wait for it to become a crisis. The US avoided dealing with it's severe racism far too long and you should learn from our example. Don't avoid the issue of racism. Take it on and get past it before it becomes a crisis.
I agree, the problem in Canada is it is not acute and a direct threat to national security, we have the same demographics roughly speaking among racial and ethnic groups and are a multicultural society too. The far right government in Poland and Brexit demonstrate that this is not an exclusively American problem. America is the current and most important battleground for liberal democracy there are lessons to be learned here by everybody who is concerned about liberty. You barely escaped the clutches of a tyrant with a subnormal IQ and were saved by an appalling tragedy and unbelievable incompetence.
 

Fogdog

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I agree, the problem in Canada is it is not acute and a direct threat to national security, we have the same demographics roughly speaking among racial and ethnic groups and are a multicultural society too. The far right government in Poland and Brexit demonstrate that this is not an exclusively American problem. America is the current and most important battleground for liberal democracy there are lessons to be learned here by everybody who is concerned about liberty. You barely escaped the clutches of a tyrant with a subnormal IQ and were saved by an appalling tragedy and unbelievable incompetence.
Canada should learn from what's going on in the US and take action.

But thanks for all your advice. If not for you, Trump would have won the election. I'm repaying the favor.
 

hanimmal

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"Rudy Giuliani and other members of President Trump’s personal legal team will reportedly not be at a meeting Friday with two Michigan lawmakers due to an exposure to COVID-19, two sources familiar with the matter told Axios.

Axios’s Jonathan Swan reported that on a Trump campaign call Friday morning with Eric Herschmann, a lawyer on the White House staff, Herschmann said the legal team would not be present at the meeting later that day.

According to the sources who spoke to Axios, one participant said that Andrew Giuliani, a White House staffer and son of Rudy Giuliani, had tested positive for the virus, while another said that the older Giuliani should not attend the meeting later in the day due to likely exposure to his son.

The sources added that Trump campaign lawyer Jenna Ellis said if Giuliani had been exposed, the entire legal team had likely been, as well.

One of the sources told Axios that the legal team has been meeting for days in a conference room at Trump campaign headquarters in Arlington, Va., and that Andrew Giuliani had been around all of them."



Bet you none of them had a mask on.
If a crime is committed and no lawyers are present to hear it, did it really happen?
 

DIY-HP-LED

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David Plouffe Calls Trump’s Legal Fight ‘The Biggest Grift In American History’ | Deadline | MSNBC

Former Obama campaign manager David Plouffe says that the president is “the most unpatriotic person in the country’s history” and warns that Republicans backing his legal fight are threatening the underpinning of our democracy.
 
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