Samwell Seed Well
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thread worthy , oh why oh why couldnt DD run his thread ideas by RB
Thought crimes?
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thread worthy , oh why oh why couldnt DD run his thread ideas by RB
ChesusRice
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I got an Idea
Why punish anyone for terrorism
Those are "thought" crimes as well
The 9/11 plotters shouldn't be prosecuted for any terrorist actions
Why punish anyone for terrorism
Those are "thought" crimes as well
The 9/11 plotters shouldn't be prosecuted for any terrorist actions
Samwell Seed Well
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great post, do you think that acting on impulsive urges that you know to be unlawful before committing them should make punishment more or less or equally severe? As unless the person commiting the crime is insane they will know this too . . . . . also does the pedophile knowingly break the law or give in to urges they know to be immoral or unlawful . . i see bigots and pedophiles in the same category of delusional rationalism, they use there delusion to rationalize making the wrong decision of sound mind!
you people and your delusions of grandeur, we are all the same . . . .silly rabbit tricks are for kids
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ChesusRice
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No really why should the rape of a child be more punishable than just rape
You know we can do this all day
Samwell Seed Well
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why does the rape of a child effect a person more than the rape of an adult . . . . . . our justice system is made to balance morale and laws same with the common sense to how severe a crime is . . .does every murder involve the rape of the dead body . . nope but it sure warrants a longer sentence for the hope or rehabilitation as it is obvious that there is something going on , as that is not normal criminal behavior, i think you would have to have a acute knowledge of what "man" can do to each other just based on will, before you can answer that with truth .. . .
our justice system is a direct reflection of how we deal with those who we deem criminal, what we as a society approve to be OK and not OK . .. . and ya context of a crime is important,
no matter what, knowing why and accepting is is true forgiveness, if we as a country didnt belive that rehabilitation was possible then we would just kill everyone , as it makes no sense to
let people out who are just going to do it over and over, and well now we have to many jails to fit the wide range of crimes that can land you in the same place as the hard core criminals . . .and now we have a society that cant recognize what a crime is . . .. . BS they blurred the lines so much, we have people who are so confused that they are afraid of thought policing
and think that it already happens
UncleBuck
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intent and motive.
your intent was to kill, what was your motive? did you do it because he banged your wife, or were you singling the person out for their skin color/ethnicity/sexual orientation etc?
hell, your intent might have been to kill someone based on skin color/ethnicity/sexual orientation.
i think we all can agree that it is more heinouos to commit a crime for that simple reason rather than the person actually crossing you or causing you harm.
Samwell Seed Well
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how is this not completely common sense, that reasons for doing something will, and should, effect the punishment and severity . . .. where do you people grow up, excuse city?
ChesusRice
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See the whole premise of those against hate crime laws is
that they "bigots and racists" will be the ones punished more severly for their actions
And I see nothing wrong in that
In fact i think it is noble
You can think anything you want
its your actions that are repulsive
Got that DD et al
UncleBuck
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the caveat being that you should have to prove beyond all reasonable doubt that the intent/motive was racially/otherwise based in hatred.
i mean, there is every reason to believe that zimm had something against blacks that did not act white enough, and although that may have played some role in his crime, his intent/motive was to detain a thief primarily. his biases may have fed that, but they were not the main motivator. thus no hate crime.
but yeah, this is so fucking true what dukechesus said.
See the whole premise of those against hate crime laws is
that they "bigots and racists" will be the ones punished more severly for their actions
i mean, there is every reason to believe that zimm had something against blacks that did not act white enough, and although that may have played some role in his crime, his intent/motive was to detain a thief primarily. his biases may have fed that, but they were not the main motivator. thus no hate crime.
but yeah, this is so fucking true what dukechesus said.
See the whole premise of those against hate crime laws is
that they "bigots and racists" will be the ones punished more severly for their actions
Rob Roy
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That sounds an awful lot like you are declaring people that disagree with you to be racist. Is that what your meaning is?
I think you have left the intellectual debate playing field and entered into the emotional ad hominem locker room.
ChesusRice
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Not even close.
Rob Roy
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The thought of terrorism might be disturbing. The ACT of terrorism ending in bloodshed renders a victim.
Are you saying that 'thoughts" are criminal and punishable acts? How would you determine which thoughts are criminal?
Would you jail somebody for thinking of having sex with a person that doesn't want to have sex with them?
ChesusRice
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no but
I would jail a person who acted on those thoughts
just as i would punish a person more severly for acting on thoughts of killing someone just for their skin tone
If you dont like the thought of being punished more severly for hurting someone due to your racism
then dont commit any hate crimes
You act like you are a victim
Samwell Seed Well
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victim of his thoughts, lol
and the known ramification for acting inappropriately are not nearly as important to him as validation for his racist tendencies, guess your post back on the last page is right
and the known ramification for acting inappropriately are not nearly as important to him as validation for his racist tendencies, guess your post back on the last page is right
Rob Roy
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I don't believe we've interacted much here, so I'll say hello and include that we seem to disagree.
First off isn't a racist a person that wants extra privileges or circumstances provided to somebody based on their skin tone or ethnicity? It would seem that I am for EQUAL rights regardless of skin tone. Specifically where does your charge of racism arise from ?
Rob Roy
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Samwell Seed Well
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im not going to play into these games with you
we dont have to accept each other but we can at least be honest with each other, i think your a racist, devils advocate is not an excuse , with one hand you condemn peoples/societies non acceptance of bigotry, and with the other you try to condone bigots rights to not accept another for whatever reason, their are many, devaluing or demeaning or praying on people do to ignorance or invalidation of another basic civil rights is wrong .
just because you call it by a different name, like hate crime, changes and means nothing other than you have committed a crime against humanity, figure it out, your oh the poor bigots and their inability to control there actions due to there raging ignorance is BS
we dont have to accept each other but we can at least be honest with each other, i think your a racist, devils advocate is not an excuse , with one hand you condemn peoples/societies non acceptance of bigotry, and with the other you try to condone bigots rights to not accept another for whatever reason, their are many, devaluing or demeaning or praying on people do to ignorance or invalidation of another basic civil rights is wrong .
just because you call it by a different name, like hate crime, changes and means nothing other than you have committed a crime against humanity, figure it out, your oh the poor bigots and their inability to control there actions due to there raging ignorance is BS
ChesusRice
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Rob Roy
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Okay.
Example - A non gay person is randomly assaulted by somebody and suffers a theft of $100 and a beating. A gay person is assaulted by a homophobe and suffers a theft of $100 and a beating.
You would assign greater restitution to the gay person for their loss, than the non gay person. In that regard they have "extra rights" .
ChesusRice
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WRONG
Both are examples of theft
But if the gay person was a victim simply becuase he is gay
then it is a hate crime
Restitution to the victim is the same, but the punishment for the perpetrator is increased
But you already know that
Now back to the question i have posed
What extra rights do victims of Hate crimes have?
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