Time To Get Rid of Concealed Carry Bans?
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ginwilly
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see Kennesaw GA and what happened to crime rates when guns were mandated instead of regulated to where only criminals and cops can own. After seeing the results there take a look at Switzerland and their crimes rates since their gun act 1999. Then when you are completely blown away by those states and are making the argument that those are not handguns visit real stats about the wild west instead of assuming it's like we see on western channel.
I have to admit I was surprised by the results myself but then I actually thought about it.
ChesusRice
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Whats the crime rate in Somalia
Everyone there has guns as well
nontheist
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Nice comparison, how close are you to calling W Bush Hitler?
ginwilly
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If Trayvon had a gun.....
deprave
New Member
yes..........
Police Do not have Magic Powers...
They will not...
Teleport
To the scene of a crime
and stop you
from getting
hit
by
bulllets
Criminals
Do
Not
Follow
Laws
desert dude
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Even several well placed rounds to center of mass would have knocked the guy off his feet.
".40 S&W - 180gr = 968 fps muzzle velocity with 375 ft. lbs. muzzle energy.
9mm - 124gr = 1,181 fps muzzle velocity with 382 ft. lbs. muzzle energy."
http://www.usacarry.com/forums/handgun-ammunition-reloading/4684-9mm-vs-40-s-w.html
Great post.
Lefties just don't get it, even when the proof is right in front of their face!
Winter Woman
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ChesusRice
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Winter Woman
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LOL, you're going to use a country that is in civil war as an example.
Winter Woman
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Thanks, I didn't know that. I remember the Lubby massacre
Winter Woman
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Because he is a troll
ChesusRice
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The Good Old Days Werent So Good
by Gary Sloan (e-mail: GSloan@liberator.net) [February 17th, 2003]
When we survey the contemporary American scene, darkened by violence, ignorance, poverty, corruption, and incivility, we may suspect that the prophets of doom are right. The end must be nigh.
Before we light out for the hills or, like Hamlet, whip out a bare bodkin, we might recall that America was never the idyllic New Eden ballyhooed by nostalgic patriots. As a little stroll down memory lane shows, the balmy days of yore were actually pretty blustery.
First, politicians. They have never been squeaky clean.
In all the frauds and tricks that go to make up the worst form of practical politics, says Richard Shenkman in Legends, Lies & Cherished Myths of American History, the men who founded our state and national government were always our equals, and often our masters.
In Pennsylvania, to get a quorum to approve a measure to ratify the Constitution, federalist legislators dragged anti-federalists out of taverns to the statehouse and then locked the doors so they couldnt get out. In 1875, all but one member of the Georgia legislator accepted bribes in exchange for their votes in a giant land scandal
As Gustavus Myers meticulously documents in the classic History of Great American Fortunes, politicians and plutocrats have always colluded to hoodwink, traduce, and plunder the hoi polloi.
In the 19[SUP]th[/SUP] century, Whigs and Democrats elected to the legislature, the courts, or administrative offices considered themselves under obligation to that element which financed their campaigns. The masses of the people were simply pawns in these political contests, yet few of them understood that all the excitement, partisan activity and enthusiasm into which they threw themselves, generally had no other significance than to enchain them still faster to a system whose beneficiaries were continuously getting more and more rights and privileges for themselves at the expense of the people, and whose wealth was consequently increasing by precipitate bounds.
Next, drug abuse.
In the 1800s, big cities were infested by drug addicts. An Ohio doctor groused that his town had more addicts than alcoholics. Drug addiction was so rife in Cincinnati that, according to one disgruntled visitor, you couldnt walk down the sidewalk without tripping over an opium slave.
What about crime?
Between 1860 and 1890 the crime rate was more than twice the rate of population growth. The Charleston News and Chronicle reported: Murder and violence are the distinguishing marks of our civilization. In the 1930s, a criminal had a 99 percent chance of escaping punishment. From 1930 to 1950 Chicago had an estimated 700 hired assassins. Only eight of the assassins were ever convicted. A much larger ratio of convicted felons go to prison now than 60 years ago.
Always, politicians have curried favor with an uneasy electorate by bemoaning leniency toward criminals. In the 1920s, President Hoover complained: In our desire to be merciful, the pendulum has swung in favor of the prisoner and far away from the protection of society.
Next issue: family values.
In the 18[SUP]th[/SUP] and 19[SUP]th[/SUP] centuries, clergymen routinely advised parents not to get too close to their children. Male adolescents were often sent away to live with other families. Many couples lived in sin. Today, proportionately more Americans marry than ever before. In the 1880s, the divorce rate in America exceeded that in all other industrialized countries. In the 1800s, there was one abortion for every six births. In the 1920s, one in four pregnancies ended in abortion.
Now, illicit sex.
In A Social History of the American Family, Arthur Calhoun notes that in several colonies between 1650 and 1657 the extant record of fornication and adultery is appalling. In Maryland, an Episcopal rector wrote: All notorious vices are committed, so that Maryland is become a Sodom of uncleanness, and a pest house of iniquity.
In 1697, the governor of the same colony complained that some of our men have two wives and some of the women two husbands. Whoring is too much practiced in the country, and seldom are any punished for their sins.
In Rhode Island in the 1700s, half the newlywed women were pregnant at the time of their marriage. Prostitution in the United States was so pandemic after the Civil War that in several cities officials talked seriously of legalizing it.
Are schools worse now than before?
In fact, American schools were never any great shakes.
In The Great School Legend, Colin Greer cites studies showing that 100 years ago, students in Chicago, New York, Boston, Detroit, Philadelphia, and Pittsburgh couldnt read, write or do arithmetic at their grade levels.
In the 1920s and 30s, the high school graduation rate in American schools was 56 percent. In New York City, only 40 percent graduated. Less than one-third of nonwhites ever enrolled in school.
Nor were students notably docileeven in colleges. In a biography of the poet Robert Frost, Jean Gould describes how Frost and his fellow students at Dartmouth dealt with teachers non grata: They wooded up professors they didnt like. A mathematics teacher had assigned so much work that no one could complete it. During class, the students began to pound their feet on the old floor-boards. Within a few second the whole roomful of freshmen was stamping out a noisy protest. Clouds of dust arose along with the rhythmic, insistent clatter, until the red-faced professor, hands over his ears, ran from the room and down the hall to the presidents office, howls of derision echoing at his heels.
The last issue to muse on: poverty.
Nothing today compares with the degraded conditions of tenement life in the Gilded Age. It wasnt uncommon for a family of eight to share a bedroom measuring six by eight feet.
Today, New York City has 20,000 homeless. In 1884, 43,000 families in the city were evicted from their homes because they couldnt pay the rent. Half the city lived in slums. In the 1920s, according to a study by the Brookings Iinstitution, over 60 percent of American families didnt earn enough to satisfy basic human needs. Forty percent lived on less than $1,500 dollars a year.
If we seem worse off than our forebears, perhaps that is because the present gets more ink than what Shakespeare called the dark and backward abyss of the past.
by Gary Sloan (e-mail: GSloan@liberator.net) [February 17th, 2003]
When we survey the contemporary American scene, darkened by violence, ignorance, poverty, corruption, and incivility, we may suspect that the prophets of doom are right. The end must be nigh.
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First, politicians. They have never been squeaky clean.
In all the frauds and tricks that go to make up the worst form of practical politics, says Richard Shenkman in Legends, Lies & Cherished Myths of American History, the men who founded our state and national government were always our equals, and often our masters.
In Pennsylvania, to get a quorum to approve a measure to ratify the Constitution, federalist legislators dragged anti-federalists out of taverns to the statehouse and then locked the doors so they couldnt get out. In 1875, all but one member of the Georgia legislator accepted bribes in exchange for their votes in a giant land scandal
As Gustavus Myers meticulously documents in the classic History of Great American Fortunes, politicians and plutocrats have always colluded to hoodwink, traduce, and plunder the hoi polloi.
In the 19[SUP]th[/SUP] century, Whigs and Democrats elected to the legislature, the courts, or administrative offices considered themselves under obligation to that element which financed their campaigns. The masses of the people were simply pawns in these political contests, yet few of them understood that all the excitement, partisan activity and enthusiasm into which they threw themselves, generally had no other significance than to enchain them still faster to a system whose beneficiaries were continuously getting more and more rights and privileges for themselves at the expense of the people, and whose wealth was consequently increasing by precipitate bounds.
Next, drug abuse.
In the 1800s, big cities were infested by drug addicts. An Ohio doctor groused that his town had more addicts than alcoholics. Drug addiction was so rife in Cincinnati that, according to one disgruntled visitor, you couldnt walk down the sidewalk without tripping over an opium slave.
What about crime?
Between 1860 and 1890 the crime rate was more than twice the rate of population growth. The Charleston News and Chronicle reported: Murder and violence are the distinguishing marks of our civilization. In the 1930s, a criminal had a 99 percent chance of escaping punishment. From 1930 to 1950 Chicago had an estimated 700 hired assassins. Only eight of the assassins were ever convicted. A much larger ratio of convicted felons go to prison now than 60 years ago.
Always, politicians have curried favor with an uneasy electorate by bemoaning leniency toward criminals. In the 1920s, President Hoover complained: In our desire to be merciful, the pendulum has swung in favor of the prisoner and far away from the protection of society.
Next issue: family values.
In the 18[SUP]th[/SUP] and 19[SUP]th[/SUP] centuries, clergymen routinely advised parents not to get too close to their children. Male adolescents were often sent away to live with other families. Many couples lived in sin. Today, proportionately more Americans marry than ever before. In the 1880s, the divorce rate in America exceeded that in all other industrialized countries. In the 1800s, there was one abortion for every six births. In the 1920s, one in four pregnancies ended in abortion.
Now, illicit sex.
In A Social History of the American Family, Arthur Calhoun notes that in several colonies between 1650 and 1657 the extant record of fornication and adultery is appalling. In Maryland, an Episcopal rector wrote: All notorious vices are committed, so that Maryland is become a Sodom of uncleanness, and a pest house of iniquity.
In 1697, the governor of the same colony complained that some of our men have two wives and some of the women two husbands. Whoring is too much practiced in the country, and seldom are any punished for their sins.
In Rhode Island in the 1700s, half the newlywed women were pregnant at the time of their marriage. Prostitution in the United States was so pandemic after the Civil War that in several cities officials talked seriously of legalizing it.
Are schools worse now than before?
In fact, American schools were never any great shakes.
In The Great School Legend, Colin Greer cites studies showing that 100 years ago, students in Chicago, New York, Boston, Detroit, Philadelphia, and Pittsburgh couldnt read, write or do arithmetic at their grade levels.
In the 1920s and 30s, the high school graduation rate in American schools was 56 percent. In New York City, only 40 percent graduated. Less than one-third of nonwhites ever enrolled in school.
Nor were students notably docileeven in colleges. In a biography of the poet Robert Frost, Jean Gould describes how Frost and his fellow students at Dartmouth dealt with teachers non grata: They wooded up professors they didnt like. A mathematics teacher had assigned so much work that no one could complete it. During class, the students began to pound their feet on the old floor-boards. Within a few second the whole roomful of freshmen was stamping out a noisy protest. Clouds of dust arose along with the rhythmic, insistent clatter, until the red-faced professor, hands over his ears, ran from the room and down the hall to the presidents office, howls of derision echoing at his heels.
The last issue to muse on: poverty.
Nothing today compares with the degraded conditions of tenement life in the Gilded Age. It wasnt uncommon for a family of eight to share a bedroom measuring six by eight feet.
Today, New York City has 20,000 homeless. In 1884, 43,000 families in the city were evicted from their homes because they couldnt pay the rent. Half the city lived in slums. In the 1920s, according to a study by the Brookings Iinstitution, over 60 percent of American families didnt earn enough to satisfy basic human needs. Forty percent lived on less than $1,500 dollars a year.
If we seem worse off than our forebears, perhaps that is because the present gets more ink than what Shakespeare called the dark and backward abyss of the past.
Winter Woman
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Winter Woman
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ChesusRice
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Ok I copied and pasted it
Right after you said basically i was full of shit
Now I bring facts
And again you say I am full of shit
maybe your husband should back hand you once in a while
You seem to be perpetually menstruating
Right after you said basically i was full of shit
Now I bring facts
And again you say I am full of shit
maybe your husband should back hand you once in a while
You seem to be perpetually menstruating
ChesusRice
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There's lots of bad stuff going on in the world today. A natural worrywart would have a feast wigging out over what is happening in the world and right here in the good ole' U.S. of A. How many times I hear people speaking of the good old days, of simpler times when life wasn't so complicated, when it was safe to let children run free in public and when everyone supposedly went to church every Sunday.
I dissent from such a view. There is no such thing as the good ole' days. It is a myth constructed by people with amnesia who have forgotten or have chosen not to remember the problems and perils of earlier days. Allow me to offer some evidence:
-An estimated 20% of American children live in poverty today. More lived in poverty in 1900 and an estimated 20% lived in orphanages because their parents couldn't afford them.
-In the nineteenth century the age of sexual consent in several states was nine or ten.
-In the 1920s, no law required a divorced father to pay child support.
-Near the end of 1943, Life Magazine ran an article on juvenile delinquency which highlighted among other things, teenagers smoking marijuana and teenage girls waiting to be picked up by soldiers. The article states, "Too many Victory Girls believe it is part of patriotism to deny nothing to servicemen."
-At the beginning of the Civil War, there were proportionately as many abortions being performed annually as there are today.
-The murder rate in the 1930s was as high as in the 1980s.
-In the earlier part of the twentieth century, divorce rates were not nearly as high as they are today, but comparatively the rates of desertion and domestic violence were much higher than in the twenty-first century.
-Today approximately two-thirds of Americans do not go to church. In the nineteenth century the percentage was... two-thirds.
-Preacher and theologian Jonathan Edwards was criticized by fellow Christians for being too stuffy when it came to sexual morality.
-In the period of the American Revolution, it was not uncommon for an engaged couple to have sex prior to marriage.
-The child sex slave trade was just as prevalent one hundred years ago as it is today.
-It is estimated that in the middle of the nineteenth century, there was one prostitute for every 64 men in New York City.
-With all the talk about the problems of health care in the U.S., would anyone prefer the medical practices of 1910? (By the way, the greatest factor for the longer life spans in the developed world today is not the result of today's medicine, but modern methods of sanitation.)
-We talk about pollution today, but one hundred years ago people thought nothing of dumping all kinds of things into streams and lakes and blowing toxic smoke into the air.
-We understandably are concerned about all the additives put in food today, but one hundred and fifty years ago, food poisoning from "all-natural" foods was much more common than it is today.
I could go on and on, but instead I will simply list some sources below where much more information and examples can be obtained.
None of this is to suggest that everybody was wicked and rotten a hundred years ago. There were plenty of good and decent people then as there are now. But we must dispel ourselves of the notion that there was some golden era in American history (or any history for that matter) when all was pure and pristine, wonderful and lovely. Along with that we must also reject the belief that everything is much worse today than it was "back then." This does not mean we should fail to take our problems and challenges seriously, but a little less of "the sky is falling" hysteria would be a good thing... and unfortunately, we have too many "Chicken Littles" cackling around us.
I dissent from such a view. There is no such thing as the good ole' days. It is a myth constructed by people with amnesia who have forgotten or have chosen not to remember the problems and perils of earlier days. Allow me to offer some evidence:
-An estimated 20% of American children live in poverty today. More lived in poverty in 1900 and an estimated 20% lived in orphanages because their parents couldn't afford them.
-In the nineteenth century the age of sexual consent in several states was nine or ten.
-In the 1920s, no law required a divorced father to pay child support.
-Near the end of 1943, Life Magazine ran an article on juvenile delinquency which highlighted among other things, teenagers smoking marijuana and teenage girls waiting to be picked up by soldiers. The article states, "Too many Victory Girls believe it is part of patriotism to deny nothing to servicemen."
-At the beginning of the Civil War, there were proportionately as many abortions being performed annually as there are today.
-The murder rate in the 1930s was as high as in the 1980s.
-In the earlier part of the twentieth century, divorce rates were not nearly as high as they are today, but comparatively the rates of desertion and domestic violence were much higher than in the twenty-first century.
-Today approximately two-thirds of Americans do not go to church. In the nineteenth century the percentage was... two-thirds.
-Preacher and theologian Jonathan Edwards was criticized by fellow Christians for being too stuffy when it came to sexual morality.
-In the period of the American Revolution, it was not uncommon for an engaged couple to have sex prior to marriage.
-The child sex slave trade was just as prevalent one hundred years ago as it is today.
-It is estimated that in the middle of the nineteenth century, there was one prostitute for every 64 men in New York City.
-With all the talk about the problems of health care in the U.S., would anyone prefer the medical practices of 1910? (By the way, the greatest factor for the longer life spans in the developed world today is not the result of today's medicine, but modern methods of sanitation.)
-We talk about pollution today, but one hundred years ago people thought nothing of dumping all kinds of things into streams and lakes and blowing toxic smoke into the air.
-We understandably are concerned about all the additives put in food today, but one hundred and fifty years ago, food poisoning from "all-natural" foods was much more common than it is today.
I could go on and on, but instead I will simply list some sources below where much more information and examples can be obtained.
None of this is to suggest that everybody was wicked and rotten a hundred years ago. There were plenty of good and decent people then as there are now. But we must dispel ourselves of the notion that there was some golden era in American history (or any history for that matter) when all was pure and pristine, wonderful and lovely. Along with that we must also reject the belief that everything is much worse today than it was "back then." This does not mean we should fail to take our problems and challenges seriously, but a little less of "the sky is falling" hysteria would be a good thing... and unfortunately, we have too many "Chicken Littles" cackling around us.