Tokers Voting NO on Proposition 19 ?

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grow4fun

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The reason for the decline in support is that people are starting to look at the down-side of Prop 19. Marijuana (1 ounce) has already just been decriminalized in California; no charges, no court, no record. You can flaunt your bag in front of a cop right now, and there's not jack they can do about it. Except maybe write you a ticket.

So now Prop 19 is mainly about economics. A lot of people feel that (both economically and otherwise) they'd have more options without it.
A good website that explains all this stuff is http://no-on19.com It's made by stoners.

People are also realizing that an initiative is FOREVER. So it's not just like "well, i'll vote for this flawed one now as a first step until something better comes along". An initiative can never be changed --- ever. Except by another initiative; until someone raises huge money & a campaign for a new initiative.

That's why Dennis Peron, who wrote Proposition 215, is urgently telling people not to vote for it. He's probably the most experienced person out there on initiatives, and cannabis -- and he hates it. Makes ya wonder....

Also voting for Prop 19 blocks the way for the good initiatives that are brewing right now. That accomplish the desired goals:

1) making marijuana legal, while at the same time

2) keeping hundreds of thousands of Californians fully or partially self-employed thru cannabis, and

3) keeping the money in the state & in the pockets of the people (we're talking about $15 Billion dollars annually pumped into our economy).

4) keeping big corporations and government out of an industry that should remain people-based.

As soon as an initiative is out that does those 4 things, SIGN IT, then VOTE FOR IT.

Btw, some are saying Assemblyman Tom Ammiano has 'drafted' some proposed bill that would fix the things wrong with Prop 19. And then try and push it thru the Legislature. But Amiano's last legalization bill did not make it thru the state Legislature & it was much less liberal than this new one. So it's not likely this new one will either. If somehow it did, then it would make Prop 19 obsolete. So either way, it's safer to vote no on 19.

just my 2c
 
mr2shim

mr2shim

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One problem with your ideology. You can not keep big business out of anything. Besides that, they aren't going to get on the bandwagon until it's legal on a federal level. There is no reason for a huge corporation to get onboard because California decided to go legal. They'd need more reason than that.

I'll say it again, you can not keep big business out of something they want. Just like America, if we want it and you don't give it to us, we'll come in and take it. Get over it, marijuana isn't safe from the massive hand of BB.


fyi, you can't show a bag of cannabis to a cop right now. Only if you have a MMJ card, anyone, I repeat ANYONE who doesn't have a medical card and is caught with marijuana will get fined and have their pot taken from them. You are out right lying when you say a cop won't do anything. Let's not forget that you can't grow unless you have a mmj card. What about someone that wants to smoke recreational? They can't grow because it is currently illegal. Prop 19 will change that.

Not everyone wants to pretend like they're disabled to get some pot.
 
golddog

golddog

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grow4fun said:
The reason for the decline in support is that people are starting to look at the down-side of Prop 19. Marijuana (1 ounce) has already just been decriminalized in California; no charges, no court, no record. You can flaunt your bag in front of a cop right now, and there's not jack they can do about it. Except maybe write you a ticket.

So now Prop 19 is mainly about economics. A lot of people feel that (both economically and otherwise) they'd have more options without it.
A good website that explains all this stuff is http://no-on19.com It's made by stoners.

People are also realizing that an initiative is FOREVER. So it's not just like "well, i'll vote for this flawed one now as a first step until something better comes along". An initiative can never be changed --- ever. Except by another initiative; until someone raises huge money & a campaign for a new initiative.

That's why Dennis Peron, who wrote Proposition 215, is urgently telling people not to vote for it. He's probably the most experienced person out there on initiatives, and cannabis -- and he hates it. Makes ya wonder....

Also voting for Prop 19 blocks the way for the good initiatives that are brewing right now. That accomplish the desired goals:

1) making marijuana legal, while at the same time

2) keeping hundreds of thousands of Californians fully or partially self-employed thru cannabis, and

3) keeping the money in the state & in the pockets of the people (we're talking about $15 Billion dollars annually pumped into our economy).

4) keeping big corporations and government out of an industry that should remain people-based.

As soon as an initiative is out that does those 4 things, SIGN IT, then VOTE FOR IT.

Btw, some are saying Assemblyman Tom Ammiano has 'drafted' some proposed bill that would fix the things wrong with Prop 19. And then try and push it thru the Legislature. But Amiano's last legalization bill did not make it thru the state Legislature & it was much less liberal than this new one. So it's not likely this new one will either. If somehow it did, then it would make Prop 19 obsolete. So either way, it's safer to vote no on 19.

just my 2c
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You fail :dunce:

Yes on Prop 19 :bigjoint:
 
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USNDEVIL

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All that I have to say is anyone who is profiting off of the disguise of proposition 215 is doing it illegally. Prop 215 was about getting medicine to whoever needed it through means of non-profit.

I am a resident of California and a Navy veteran who also is a caregiver to 3 people who have MS. I have been providing to my friends since 1998 and I haven't once charged them anymore than what it costs me to grow which is hovering around $130-150 per pound. Whatever I have left I donate to my local collective...I cycle between 3 locations. This was how Prop 215 was intended.

I don't feel sorry for any of you who profit off of medical patients. It is pretty much common knowledge that most of you who profit sell under the table and in a lot of cases to people who don't have med cards. I know why you are voting no, you know why you are voting no but will never admit to it.

Now...there are some things about prop 19 that I don't like but it doesn't effect my medical grow one bit. I will still be able to grow my allotment allowed under prop 215 and distribute to my friends. Mr2shim is right! You will never get a future initiative that legalizes recreational use but also locks out big business. Again...most of you who are profiting now are doing it illegally off of the disguise of prop 215.

I understand that things wouldn't change for me if I voted no...but what passing this initiative would do for the entire country definitely outways the negatives especially if you are a prop 215 patient who doesn't grow your own and pays ridiculous prices at dispenseries. BTW...any of you who have this attitude and don't care about the rest of the country are being kinda selfish and unamerican at the same time. Passing this initiative alone would cause debate between the feds which could very well cause cannabis to be rescheduled under the CSA. That alone would trickle down to the States that don't even have MMJ because of its current schedule 1 status. Pass this initiative and the cannabis movement goes downhill from here.

But...unlike a lot of you I am not about the $$$ and I believe anyone should be able to get cannabis for whatever reason for almost next to nothing. That is how a lot of you originally envisioned this to go but you have since been caught in a sea of green and I am not talking about cannabis.
 
desert dude

desert dude

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USNDEVIL said:
All that I have to say is anyone who is profiting off of the disguise of proposition 215 is doing it illegally. Prop 215 was about getting medicine to whoever needed it through means of non-profit.

I am a resident of California and a Navy veteran who also is a caregiver to 3 people who have MS. I have been providing to my friends since 1998 and I haven't once charged them anymore than what it costs me to grow which is hovering around $130-150 per pound. Whatever I have left I donate to my local collective...I cycle between 3 locations. This was how Prop 215 was intended.

I don't feel sorry for any of you who profit off of medical patients. It is pretty much common knowledge that most of you who profit sell under the table and in a lot of cases to people who don't have med cards. I know why you are voting no, you know why you are voting no but will never admit to it.

Now...there are some things about prop 19 that I don't like but it doesn't effect my medical grow one bit. I will still be able to grow my allotment allowed under prop 215 and distribute to my friends. Mr2shim is right! You will never get a future initiative that legalizes recreational use but also locks out big business. Again...most of you who are profiting now are doing it illegally off of the disguise of prop 215.

I understand that things wouldn't change for me if I voted no...but what passing this initiative would do for the entire country definitely outways the negatives especially if you are a prop 215 patient who doesn't grow your own and pays ridiculous prices at dispenseries. BTW...any of you who have this attitude and don't care about the rest of the country are being kinda selfish and unamerican at the same time. Passing this initiative alone would cause debate between the feds which could very well cause cannabis to be rescheduled under the CSA. That alone would trickle down to the States that don't even have MMJ because of its current schedule 1 status. Pass this initiative and the cannabis movement goes downhill from here.

But...unlike a lot of you I am not about the $$$ and I believe anyone should be able to get cannabis for whatever reason for almost next to nothing. That is how a lot of you originally envisioned this to go but you have since been caught in a sea of green and I am not talking about cannabis.
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You're a good man.

I already voted yes 19.
 
desert dude

desert dude

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grow4fun said:
The reason for the decline in support is that people are starting to look at the down-side of Prop 19. Marijuana (1 ounce) has already just been decriminalized in California; no charges, no court, no record. You can flaunt your bag in front of a cop right now, and there's not jack they can do about it. Except maybe write you a ticket.

So now Prop 19 is mainly about economics. A lot of people feel that (both economically and otherwise) they'd have more options without it.
A good website that explains all this stuff is http://no-on19.com It's made by stoners.

People are also realizing that an initiative is FOREVER. So it's not just like "well, i'll vote for this flawed one now as a first step until something better comes along". An initiative can never be changed --- ever. Except by another initiative; until someone raises huge money & a campaign for a new initiative.

That's why Dennis Peron, who wrote Proposition 215, is urgently telling people not to vote for it. He's probably the most experienced person out there on initiatives, and cannabis -- and he hates it. Makes ya wonder....

Also voting for Prop 19 blocks the way for the good initiatives that are brewing right now. That accomplish the desired goals:

1) making marijuana legal, while at the same time

2) keeping hundreds of thousands of Californians fully or partially self-employed thru cannabis, and

3) keeping the money in the state & in the pockets of the people (we're talking about $15 Billion dollars annually pumped into our economy).

4) keeping big corporations and government out of an industry that should remain people-based.

As soon as an initiative is out that does those 4 things, SIGN IT, then VOTE FOR IT.

Btw, some are saying Assemblyman Tom Ammiano has 'drafted' some proposed bill that would fix the things wrong with Prop 19. And then try and push it thru the Legislature. But Amiano's last legalization bill did not make it thru the state Legislature & it was much less liberal than this new one. So it's not likely this new one will either. If somehow it did, then it would make Prop 19 obsolete. So either way, it's safer to vote no on 19.

just my 2c
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It took forty years of brewing to get prop 19 on the ballot. I am not going to wait another forty years for yours to brew. I voted for prop 19. If you had any sense, you would vote for 19 as well.
 
luvourmother

luvourmother

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You can flaunt your bag in front of a cop right now, and there's not jack they can do about it. Except maybe write you a ticket.
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wrong. decriminalization doesn't go into effect until january 1st, 2011.

So now Prop 19 is mainly about economics. A lot of people feel that (both economically and otherwise) they'd have more options without it.
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wrong. prop 19 is about ending the prohibition of marijuana in california, which is the beginning to the end of prohibition in the USA. plain and simple, the economics are a side benefit of ending prohibition that should have never happened in the first place.

People are also realizing that an initiative is FOREVER.
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wrong. amendments have ALREADY been drafted that alter prop 19. you are vastly misinformed about our initiative system. Prop 8 is a good example...

Also voting for Prop 19 blocks the way for the good initiatives that are brewing right now. That accomplish the desired goals:
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These initiatives had the same exact chances to get on the ballot this year as 19, there was 4 marijuana legalization measures being petitioned to be on the ballot this year (cchh was one of them...), they didn't get enough signatures, too bad so sad.

Amiano's last legalization bill did not make it thru the state Legislature & it was much less liberal than this new one. So it's not likely this new one will either. If somehow it did, then it would make Prop 19 obsolete.
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more misinformation! that last bill didn't go through because the session ended, it did pass through the house with majority vote however. The new amendments drafted by ammiano do not eliminate 19, they make it less restrictive. taking the 1 oz limit to 1 lb, specifying that 19 does not change 215 and more great stuff.

get informed, stop spreading misinformation.

best website against 19 right here:http://www.opposeprop19.com/home.htm
 
stonedmetalhead1

stonedmetalhead1

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mr2shim said:
One problem with your ideology. You can not keep big business out of anything. Besides that, they aren't going to get on the bandwagon until it's legal on a federal level. There is no reason for a huge corporation to get onboard because California decided to go legal. They'd need more reason than that.

I'll say it again, you can not keep big business out of something they want. Just like America, if we want it and you don't give it to us, we'll come in and take it. Get over it, marijuana isn't safe from the massive hand of BB.
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It's not necessarily about keeping big business out of marijuana it's about keeping it in the hands of the people and not giving almost complete control to the corporations.

Not everyone wants to pretend like they're disabled to get some pot.
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That's just hilarious, you don't have to pretend anything? Prop 215 allows marijuana use for headaches, I get a headache every morning just from watching the news. Regardless there is nothing in prop 215 that says you have to be disabled to get a recommendation.
 
AbsoluteChron

AbsoluteChron

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USNDEVIL said:
All that I have to say is anyone who is profiting off of the disguise of proposition 215 is doing it illegally. Prop 215 was about getting medicine to whoever needed it through means of non-profit.

I am a resident of California and a Navy veteran who also is a caregiver to 3 people who have MS. I have been providing to my friends since 1998 and I haven't once charged them anymore than what it costs me to grow which is hovering around $130-150 per pound. Whatever I have left I donate to my local collective...I cycle between 3 locations. This was how Prop 215 was intended.

I don't feel sorry for any of you who profit off of medical patients. It is pretty much common knowledge that most of you who profit sell under the table and in a lot of cases to people who don't have med cards. I know why you are voting no, you know why you are voting no but will never admit to it.

Now...there are some things about prop 19 that I don't like but it doesn't effect my medical grow one bit. I will still be able to grow my allotment allowed under prop 215 and distribute to my friends. Mr2shim is right! You will never get a future initiative that legalizes recreational use but also locks out big business. Again...most of you who are profiting now are doing it illegally off of the disguise of prop 215.

I understand that things wouldn't change for me if I voted no...but what passing this initiative would do for the entire country definitely outways the negatives especially if you are a prop 215 patient who doesn't grow your own and pays ridiculous prices at dispenseries. BTW...any of you who have this attitude and don't care about the rest of the country are being kinda selfish and unamerican at the same time. Passing this initiative alone would cause debate between the feds which could very well cause cannabis to be rescheduled under the CSA. That alone would trickle down to the States that don't even have MMJ because of its current schedule 1 status. Pass this initiative and the cannabis movement goes downhill from here.

But...unlike a lot of you I am not about the $$$ and I believe anyone should be able to get cannabis for whatever reason for almost next to nothing. That is how a lot of you originally envisioned this to go but you have since been caught in a sea of green and I am not talking about cannabis.
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Get over yourself. You provided to three patients, who were probably all friends of yours anyways. What you fail to realize is that the cost varies widely depending on how you account for the costs of production. You have a very specific situation that allows you to grow very cheaply (outdoor I would bet), not everyone has this luxury or must offset the cost to rent property, then there is the your time, risk, and the consumables. It's all quite expensive, especially when you have to grow indoors. How about you don't judge the entire growing community, which is obviously much more dynamic than you give credit. The growers that are making a ton of money are doing commercial SOG most likely, and probably are not Prop 215 compliant in the first place. Prop 19 does not have some sort of automatic price lowering worked into it, I don't even know where that idea is coming from. If anything it will remove the possibility for volume discounts, which is currently the best way to get good deals.

Prop 19 has way too many unnecessary (and serious) downfalls, without enough true benefits over Prop 215.
 
golddog

golddog

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AbsoluteChron said:
Get over yourself. You provided to three patients, who were probably all friends of yours anyways. What you fail to realize is that the cost varies widely depending on how you account for the costs of production. You have a very specific situation that allows you to grow very cheaply (outdoor I would bet), not everyone has this luxury or must offset the cost to rent property, then there is the your time, risk, and the consumables. It's all quite expensive, especially when you have to grow indoors. How about you don't judge the entire growing community, which is obviously much more dynamic than you give credit. The growers that are making a ton of money are doing commercial SOG most likely, and probably are not Prop 215 compliant in the first place. Prop 19 does not have some sort of automatic price lowering worked into it, I don't even know where that idea is coming from. If anything it will remove the possibility for volume discounts, which is currently the best way to get good deals.

Prop 19 has way too many unnecessary (and serious) downfalls, without enough true benefits over Prop 215.
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Cost me about $150 a pound, I grow for stash :bigjoint:

:bigjoint:I already voted YES on 19 :leaf:
 
desert dude

desert dude

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AbsoluteChron said:
Get over yourself. You provided to three patients, who were probably all friends of yours anyways. What you fail to realize is that the cost varies widely depending on how you account for the costs of production. You have a very specific situation that allows you to grow very cheaply (outdoor I would bet), not everyone has this luxury or must offset the cost to rent property, then there is the your time, risk, and the consumables. It's all quite expensive, especially when you have to grow indoors. How about you don't judge the entire growing community, which is obviously much more dynamic than you give credit. The growers that are making a ton of money are doing commercial SOG most likely, and probably are not Prop 215 compliant in the first place. Prop 19 does not have some sort of automatic price lowering worked into it, I don't even know where that idea is coming from. If anything it will remove the possibility for volume discounts, which is currently the best way to get good deals.

Prop 19 has way too many unnecessary (and serious) downfalls, without enough true benefits over Prop 215.
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Prop 19 will not do away with prop 215, that is just a plain lie designed to scare people into voting against 19.
 
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USNDEVIL

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AbsoluteChron said:
Get over yourself. You provided to three patients, who were probably all friends of yours anyways. What you fail to realize is that the cost varies widely depending on how you account for the costs of production. You have a very specific situation that allows you to grow very cheaply (outdoor I would bet), not everyone has this luxury or must offset the cost to rent property, then there is the your time, risk, and the consumables. It's all quite expensive, especially when you have to grow indoors. How about you don't judge the entire growing community, which is obviously much more dynamic than you give credit. The growers that are making a ton of money are doing commercial SOG most likely, and probably are not Prop 215 compliant in the first place. Prop 19 does not have some sort of automatic price lowering worked into it, I don't even know where that idea is coming from. If anything it will remove the possibility for volume discounts, which is currently the best way to get good deals.

Prop 19 has way too many unnecessary (and serious) downfalls, without enough true benefits over Prop 215.
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First of all...FYI 1 of my 3 patients was my best friend and the other 2 are senior citizens part of my friend's MS support group. I can honestly say now they are my friends after 12 years but I don't see what point you are making. They trust me 100% and I haven't given them one reason to not trust me, but they were strangers in the beginning. I break down the entire cost of my grow operation and it gets split 4 ways which includes myself...everything is equal all across the board. I have an organized ledger that they all have access too at any time.

Second of all...I actually do have a day job. I don't need to be compensated for every single one of my living expenses. Some of you feel like you should be rewarded handsomely for your grows. If that's what you want to do...fine. But...that still doesn't take away the fact that a lot of growers are very much for profit charging anywhere from $1500-2500 per pound...that is utterly retarded and greedy. Prop 19 hasn't passed yet so these individuals are very much using prop 215 and prohibition and profiting off of the backs of medical patients. These people charging those amounts are marking up there costs by almost 1000% and that is just wrong. If you are claiming that these people are just offsetting the cost of there grows...you are wrong!

Next off...I don't see what my method of grow has anything to do with anything. I get compensated for whatever method that I choose. I did grow outdoors for the first 8 years but I do have some indoor DWC grows under my belt and at the most has cost me around $150 per pound. It might have sounded like I was judging the entire grow community but that is not what I was trying to do and I am sorry if you took it that way. I pretty much feel this way about growers who charge retarded prices and cite risk as there reasoning. The risk has everything to do with what these people are doing in the first place and that is charging high prices for profit which is against prop 215. How much should one person charge for there time, risk, and consumables as you say? Definitely not $1500 or more a pound. Those are the individuals that I am pretty much ranting about and count on prohibition to keep the costs sky high.

The comment about prop 19 not having an automatic price lowering worded into the initiative doesn't mean that the price isn't going to go down. Are you claiming that if prop 19 passes and supply rises that the overall costs in California isn't going to come down over time? Seriously? The pure fact that medical patients now have another source to get there supply will do exactly that. That is pretty much the reasoning of a lot of the No crowd in the first place, that we aren't going to collect the amount of taxes that proponents say. What if the passing of prop 19 eventually leads to cannabis being rescheduled under the CSA? Do you think that won't lower prices? As more States get MMJ will that not lower the national costs over time?

I am not trying to say every person who consumes and cultivates cannabis who votes no is selfish. If your reasoning is because of the new penalties...fine. If your reasoning is because you don't want Richard Lee making a ton of money...fine eventhough that isn't a good enough reason in my book. My rant is for those who vote No to keep prohibition alive and well to preserve there profits off of the backs of medical patients...those individuals are very shitty in my book. I would have a lot more respect for these people if they just admit that is why they are voting no in the first place instead of citing bogus reasons. That is all! Good day!
 
Serapis

Serapis

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USNDEVIL, you summed it up nicely. That is what I have been saying ALL along. Those against 19 and growing under 215, are profitting handsomely. There was one guy complaining earlier in another thread that his pound only fetched 3400 instead of 3700 from a dispensary, simply because the buds didn't have red hairs. I guess this type of grower sees 5' x 5' gardens as threats to their exclusivity.
 
mr2shim

mr2shim

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USNDEVIL said:
First of all...FYI 1 of my 3 patients was my best friend and the other 2 are senior citizens part of my friend's MS support group. I can honestly say now they are my friends after 12 years but I don't see what point you are making. They trust me 100% and I haven't given them one reason to not trust me, but they were strangers in the beginning. I break down the entire cost of my grow operation and it gets split 4 ways which includes myself...everything is equal all across the board. I have an organized ledger that they all have access too at any time.

Second of all...I actually do have a day job. I don't need to be compensated for every single one of my living expenses. Some of you feel like you should be rewarded handsomely for your grows. If that's what you want to do...fine. But...that still doesn't take away the fact that a lot of growers are very much for profit charging anywhere from $1500-2500 per pound...that is utterly retarded and greedy. Prop 19 hasn't passed yet so these individuals are very much using prop 215 and prohibition and profiting off of the backs of medical patients. These people charging those amounts are marking up there costs by almost 1000% and that is just wrong. If you are claiming that these people are just offsetting the cost of there grows...you are wrong!

Next off...I don't see what my method of grow has anything to do with anything. I get compensated for whatever method that I choose. I did grow outdoors for the first 8 years but I do have some indoor DWC grows under my belt and at the most has cost me around $150 per pound. It might have sounded like I was judging the entire grow community but that is not what I was trying to do and I am sorry if you took it that way. I pretty much feel this way about growers who charge retarded prices and cite risk as there reasoning. The risk has everything to do with what these people are doing in the first place and that is charging high prices for profit which is against prop 215. How much should one person charge for there time, risk, and consumables as you say? Definitely not $1500 or more a pound. Those are the individuals that I am pretty much ranting about and count on prohibition to keep the costs sky high.

The comment about prop 19 not having an automatic price lowering worded into the initiative doesn't mean that the price isn't going to go down. Are you claiming that if prop 19 passes and supply rises that the overall costs in California isn't going to come down over time? Seriously? The pure fact that medical patients now have another source to get there supply will do exactly that. That is pretty much the reasoning of a lot of the No crowd in the first place, that we aren't going to collect the amount of taxes that proponents say. What if the passing of prop 19 eventually leads to cannabis being rescheduled under the CSA? Do you think that won't lower prices? As more States get MMJ will that not lower the national costs over time?

I am not trying to say every person who consumes and cultivates cannabis who votes no is selfish. If your reasoning is because of the new penalties...fine. If your reasoning is because you don't want Richard Lee making a ton of money...fine eventhough that isn't a good enough reason in my book. My rant is for those who vote No to keep prohibition alive and well to preserve there profits off of the backs of medical patients...those individuals are very shitty in my book. I would have a lot more respect for these people if they just admit that is why they are voting no in the first place instead of citing bogus reasons. That is all! Good day!
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Pretty much summed it up there. Especially the last couple sentences! + rep

People voting no because they want to keep making money off "medical" patients are pieces of shit and deserve no respect. You're completely right, the least they can do is admit it instead of hiding behind false claims and lies.
 
veggiegardener

veggiegardener

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Serapis said:
USNDEVIL, you summed it up nicely. That is what I have been saying ALL along. Those against 19 and growing under 215, are profitting handsomely. There was one guy complaining earlier in another thread that his pound only fetched 3400 instead of 3700 from a dispensary, simply because the buds didn't have red hairs. I guess this type of grower sees 5' x 5' gardens as threats to their exclusivity.
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You haven't a clue. I've been growing for a very long time. The best thing that could happen would be that Cannabis became so common, I could use it for landscaping in my front yard. Yes, some folks sell to dispensaries. They should be congratulated for meeting their (ridiculous) standards. Quality will always have value, whether indoor or outdoor.

Suggesting we are against P19 for financial gain is purely propaganda.

If anything, I think this debate has made a lot of regular smokers more aware of the benefits of our current system.

It isn't just growers changing their minds about P19.
 
mr2shim

mr2shim

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veggiegardener said:
You haven't a clue. I've been growing for a very long time. The best thing that could happen would be that Cannabis became so common, I could use it for landscaping in my front yard. Yes, some folks sell to dispensaries. They should be congratulated for meeting their (ridiculous) standards. Quality will always have value, whether indoor or outdoor.

Suggesting we are against P19 for financial gain is purely propaganda.

If anything, I think this debate has made a lot of regular smokers more aware of the benefits of our current system.

It isn't just growers changing their minds about P19.
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I think you are the one that hasn't got a clue. Every reason I've seen you state why you're against P19 is about personal gain/loss. Stop lying, you're not fooling anybody.
 
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gupp

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veggiegardener said:
You haven't a clue. I've been growing for a very long time. The best thing that could happen would be that Cannabis became so common, I could use it for landscaping in my front yard. Yes, some folks sell to dispensaries. They should be congratulated for meeting their (ridiculous) standards. Quality will always have value, whether indoor or outdoor.

Suggesting we are against P19 for financial gain is purely propaganda.

If anything, I think this debate has made a lot of regular smokers more aware of the benefits of our current system.

It isn't just growers changing their minds about P19.
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I think you need to realize that unless you are growing for 215, you could be arrested.
 
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Smokey the Bear 420

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realize i support all advances in the acceptance of marijuana throughout the country. I personally feel like proposition 19 is going to cause more problems for marijuana users in terms of many officers and other officials that will uphold the national law in regards of marijuana. granted that the charges may not last there will still be the inconvenience on the person being charged. I personally feel that Cali would have had a better chance of Prop 19 National acceptance if more of the states allowed the use of medicinal marijuana. only 15 states and the District of Columbia have medicinally legal marijuana. if 3/4 of the states had medical marijuana available the chance of having Nationally legalized medicinal marijuana much more achievable with just support from 2/3 of congress in both houses. If that many states have already accepted its medicinal use then the politicians representing those states will listen to their constituents. The more support throughout the nation for advances in marijuana would ease the tension between the state and federal governments in regards to marijuana related topics.
 
desert dude

desert dude

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Smokey the Bear 420 said:
realize i support all advances in the acceptance of marijuana throughout the country. I personally feel like proposition 19 is going to cause more problems for marijuana users in terms of many officers and other officials that will uphold the national law in regards of marijuana. granted that the charges may not last there will still be the inconvenience on the person being charged. I personally feel that Cali would have had a better chance of Prop 19 National acceptance if more of the states allowed the use of medicinal marijuana. only 15 states and the District of Columbia have medicinally legal marijuana. if 3/4 of the states had medical marijuana available the chance of having Nationally legalized medicinal marijuana much more achievable with just support from 2/3 of congress in both houses. If that many states have already accepted its medicinal use then the politicians representing those states will listen to their constituents. The more support throughout the nation for advances in marijuana would ease the tension between the state and federal governments in regards to marijuana related topics.
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Vote yes on 19.

Somebody has to lead the way. CA was the first with medical. CA is the first with legalization.
 
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