trayvan martin

desert dude · May 19, 2012

afrawfraw said:
Desert dude, I have a real question for you. If Zimmerman had approached Treyvon, and Treyvon had been armed, would he be justified in shooting Zimmerman? I mean, TM could then claim that Z harrassed him, and he "Feared for his life" because he was being followed by a white man. White men have been known to be racist towards African Americans. White men in trucks have been known to attack African Americans. Please explain your position.

For "approaching" Trayvon, no, Trayvon would not be justified for shooting Zimmerman, in my opinion. The test you have to meet when you use lethal force is a "reasonable" fear for your life. Simply being followed does not satisfy that requirement.

If Trayvon was armed and Zimmerman had assaulted him, knocked him to the ground, mounted him and proceeded to bash his head into the ground, then Trayvon absolutely would have been justified in shooting Zimmerman dead. In other words, if the situation was reversed, I would be arguing here that Trayvon was absolutely justified in using lethal force to defend himself. If the situation was reversed would you be on here arguing that Trayvon ought to hang?

desert dude · May 19, 2012

afrawfraw said:
You should come forward. The defense is looking for witnesses!

I am an impartial observer of the known facts, not a witness. Do you have any facts to refute the statements of the police who corroborate Zimmerman's account, and the witnesses who corroborate Zimmerman's account? I am willing to change my mind on the matter. Are you?

londonfog · May 19, 2012

desert dude said:
For "approaching" Trayvon, no, Trayvon would not be justified for shooting Zimmerman, in my opinion. The test you have to meet when you use lethal force is a "reasonable" fear for your life. Simply being followed does not satisfy that requirement.

If Trayvon was armed and Zimmerman had assaulted him, knocked him to the ground, mounted him and proceeded to bash his head into the ground, then Trayvon absolutely would have been justified in shooting Zimmerman dead. In other words, if the situation was reversed, I would be arguing here that Trayvon was absolutely justified in using lethal force to defend himself. If the situation was reversed would you be on here arguing that Trayvon ought to hang?

hmmm your head was being bashed in the ground to the point you felt like you are about to become a vegetable, but yet you refuse to go the hospital to get a MRI and are still able to do an interview with police...bitch made men defend other bitch made men..pure bitchness

londonfog · May 19, 2012

desert dude said:
I am an impartial observer of the known facts, not a witness. Do you have any facts to refute the statements of the police who corroborate Zimmerman's account, and the witnesses who corroborate Zimmerman's account? I am willing to change my mind on the matter. Are you?

it has been stated by the police that this could have been avoided by Zimmerman

desert dude · May 19, 2012

londonfog said:
]hmmm your head was being bashed in the ground to the point you felt like you are about to become a vegetable[/B], but yet you refuse to go the hospital to get a MRI and are still able to do an interview with police...bitch made men defend other bitch made men..pure bitchness

You don't have to "become a vegetable", or die, before you are allowed to use lethal force. You just have to reasonably believe you are about to be murdered or severely injured. I think Zimmerman use of force was reasonable in this circumstance.

desert dude · May 19, 2012

londonfog said:
it has been stated by the police that this could have been avoided by Zimmerman

Yeah, So what?

desert dude · May 19, 2012

afrawfraw said:
Desert dude, I have a real question for you. If Zimmerman had approached Treyvon, and Treyvon had been armed, would he be justified in shooting Zimmerman? I mean, TM could then claim that Z harrassed him, and he "Feared for his life" because he was being followed by a white man. White men have been known to be racist towards African Americans. White men in trucks have been known to attack African Americans. Please explain your position.

I want to answer this one again, with an alternate scenario:

Suppose Trayvon had succeeded in killing Zimmerman by bashing his brains out on the sidewalk? Would Trayvon have been shielded by Florida's SYG law? I think the answer is yes, Trayvon would not have been charged. Trayvon could have claimed that he was pursued and assaulted by Zimmerman and he defended himself. He saw that Zimmerman was armed and Trayvon reasonably feared for his life and he had to use lethal force to defend himself. There are no witnesses to refute that claim. Given the evidence, I would buy that claim and agree that Trayvon was shielded by SYG.

londonfog · May 19, 2012

desert dude said:
You don't have to "become a vegetable", or die, before you are allowed to use lethal force. You just have to reasonably believe you are about to be murdered or severely injured. I think Zimmerman use of force was reasonable in this circumstance.

again just because you are losing a fist fight does not mean you have to shoot to kill..I guess when kids get into a tussle at school they can now just kill each other ??? I know your type ( that beat woman but scared to fight a man) wish that you can shoot to kill when you are losing but this is not the case. None of his injurys look life threating and the fact that he refused to go to the hospital is very telling

londonfog · May 19, 2012

desert dude said:
Yeah, So what?

I know you are to stupid to understand what it means..If you have childern go ask them to explain what it means. This whole mess could have been avoided by Zimmerman the woman beater...this is per the police..again go ask someone to explain it to you

londonfog · May 19, 2012

desert dude said:
I want to answer this one again, with an alternate scenario:

Suppose Trayvon had succeeded in killing Zimmerman by bashing his brains out on the sidewalk? Would Trayvon have been shielded by Florida's SYG law? I think the answer is yes, Trayvon would not have been charged. Trayvon could have claimed that he was pursued and assaulted by Zimmerman and he defended himself. He saw that Zimmerman was armed and Trayvon reasonably feared for his life and he had to use lethal force to defend himself. There are no witnesses to refute that claim. Given the evidence, I would buy that claim and agree that Trayvon was shielded by SYG.

so now you have to go make believe to try and make a point..WTF keep it real or keep it moving...pure bitchness

Mindmelted · May 19, 2012

londonfog said:
again just because you are losing a fist fight does not mean you have to shoot to kill..I guess when kids get into a tussle at school they can now just kill each other ??? I know your type ( that beat woman but scared to fight a man) wish that you can shoot to kill when you are losing but this is not the case. None of his injurys look life threating and the fact that he refused to go to the hospital is very telling

Dont know what world you live in! But kids do that now to each other and dont try and say they dont.

The fuckers kill each other for fucking shoes!!!!!

desert dude · May 19, 2012

londonfog said:
again just because you are losing a fist fight does not mean you have to shoot to kill..I guess when kids get into a tussle at school they can now just kill each other ??? I know your type ( that beat woman but scared to fight a man) wish that you can shoot to kill when you are losing but this is not the case. None of his injurys look life threating and the fact that he refused to go to the hospital is very telling

No, you don't. You don't know me at all. If you and me were having a beer together, you would be completely at ease and with good reason. You're just "profiling" me.

londonfog · May 19, 2012

Mindmelted said:
Dont know what world you live in! But kids do that now to each other and dont try and say they dont.

The fuckers kill each other for fucking shoes!!!!!

and where did I say this was right..its wrong and they need to be put in jail if they do that type of shit..just like bitchmade Zimmerman

londonfog · May 19, 2012

desert dude said:
No, you don't. You don't know me at all. If you and me were having a beer together, you would be completely at ease and with good reason. You're just "profiling" me.

all depends on what type of beer you drinking

desert dude · May 19, 2012

londonfog said:
all depends on what type of beer you drinking

I'll buy, you choose the beer.

londonfog · May 19, 2012

desert dude said:
I'll buy, you choose the beer.

sorry I don't drink with men who defend women beaters

desert dude · May 19, 2012

londonfog said:
sorry I don't drink with men who defend women beaters

That's OK. I don't drink with profilers.

londonfog · May 19, 2012

desert dude said:
That's OK. I don't drink with profilers.

well hell WTF you and Zimmerman going to do when you hang with your bitchmade buddy at the bar

desert dude · May 19, 2012

londonfog said:
well hell WTF you and Zimmerman going to do when you hang with your bitchmade buddy at the bar

We'll probably be profiling guys like you. Why all the hating on women? Aren't we all "bitchmade"? You profiling women now, too?

londonfog · May 19, 2012

desert dude said:
We'll probably be profiling guys like you. Why all the hating on women? Aren't we all "bitchmade"? You profiling women now, too?

lol ..no sir we all are not bitchmade but glad to see you are owning your bitchness. I was made to be a man and defend women not beat them. I don't pretend to be the police and kill innocent people. I don't shoot to kill just because I'm losing a fight.

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