True HP Aero For 2011

Trichy Bastard said:
The 8800 is probably the cream of the crop, nice choice! It's just called a booster pump because it's main purpose is to boost the pressure for r.o. systems or r.v. water pressure. All these pumps are similar and can handle around an 8 foot draw if I remember correctly. They push alot more than they can pull, but a few feet of gravity is no issue.
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Ahhhh sounds good, Trichy. That confirms that I made a good decision in the 8800. Everything seems to be falling in place, and all of my parts should be here within the next week, so everything should be assembled for testing no later than the end of the month (fingers crossed).
 
DoktorD1313 said:
Ahhhh sounds good, Trichy. That confirms that I made a good decision in the 8800. Everything seems to be falling in place, and all of my parts should be here within the next week, so everything should be assembled for testing no later than the end of the month (fingers crossed).
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I hope so man, so far everyone I've seen jump into this had more snags and took a little longer than originally planned. I was one of the worst myself as I also had some personal life stuff taking my time. Rom30 really showed me up as he didn't have nearly such holdups or issues. Either way, just keep going with it, and we'll try to help you out with all your questions as best as possible. Hopefully you're in this for the love of doing it and not just for getting the quickest crop turnover. If that's also important, I recommend throwing a few plants in a simple system or a few flower pots on the side so you are not pressured for results. Matter of fact, I am about to pop some mothers in sunshine #4 with a dyna-gro regimen so I can have some new strain cuttings when the time comes.
 
Trichy Bastard said:
I hope so man, so far everyone I've seen jump into this had more snags and took a little longer than originally planned. I was one of the worst myself as I also had some personal life stuff taking my time. Rom30 really showed me up as he didn't have nearly such holdups or issues. Either way, just keep going with it, and we'll try to help you out with all your questions as best as possible. Hopefully you're in this for the love of doing it and not just for getting the quickest crop turnover. If that's also important, I recommend throwing a few plants in a simple system or a few flower pots on the side so you are not pressured for results. Matter of fact, I am about to pop some mothers in sunshine #4 with a dyna-gro regimen so I can have some new strain cuttings when the time comes.
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You can rest assured I'm in this 100% just for the interest of the technique, the ride of the build, and the challenge of it all. The crop is of little importance to me when it comes to this project. Yeah, the benefits will be nice, but there are far more reasons that sparked my desire to build one of these setups.

If you don't mind me asking, which timer did you end up using in your setup? I know there were a couple that yourself and others were using/going to use/going to build and there were so many changes during the process. I can't remember for the life of me which one(s) ended up being accurate enough and dependable. There's just too many pages of this thread to search through to find that again.
 
DoktorD1313 said:
You can rest assured I'm in this 100% just for the interest of the technique, the ride of the build, and the challenge of it all. The crop is of little importance to me when it comes to this project. Yeah, the benefits will be nice, but there are far more reasons that sparked my desire to build one of these setups.

If you don't mind me asking, which timer did you end up using in your setup? I know there were a couple that yourself and others were using/going to use/going to build and there were so many changes during the process. I can't remember for the life of me which one(s) ended up being accurate enough and dependable. There's just too many pages of this thread to search through to find that again.
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Lol- yeah sorry about that- the thread sort of took on it's own life. Anyway the proven and timer, and one I chose was the ATC 422 flip flip timer. I got the 12v version - make sure you get the octal base and mount kit for a few bucks more. Hammer21 pointed me to a timer on ebay that was nice, and I will review it this week. Only issue for me was that it worked off 110v wall electricity and I still like the idea of low voltage for alot of reasons from safety to off-grid relaibility. If you plan to run 110v then I will hurry on the review because that timer works well and does have a few extra bells and whistles like a res level cutoff switch.
 
Trichy Bastard said:
Even if you can keep the nozzles from clogging, who knows if they have the throw and mist to really grow plants. The bios are well proven and I still like his decision and logic to follow tree farmers suggestions. Compare the mist to what? He doesn't have any experience growing plants to know what's to look for. I will say one thing- those nozzles you sent me aren't anything like the bios, and I doubt they'd do much but humidify the chamber after understanding things a little better. I bet if you would have tried some proven nozzles you would be happy too. I also think Mike should try them again. The thing is, we imagine this fine floating mist as the right mist, but it's actually a little different that grows the plants better. The red cloudtops are a little too fine and light too, so it really leaves the bios as the best choice in my book after running a full circle. Just buy more than you need, they do have quite a few duds. Luckily they are happy to trade them out for free. Based on my experience almost half were bad (I think I just got unlucky), but even with the price, it's worth having success after all the rest we put into it.
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I don't disagree with you very often, but I still have 6 bios I need to send in for better ones... To my knowledge you haven't yet tried the .8gph dig nozzles? I don't know what nozzles were sent to you by hammer, but the digs won't just humidify an area, and they've got a decent throw. I thought your experience with the bio's was similar to mine. I can't remember if you got around to trying your replacements. Not tryin to start a war, I just think a easy to come by $1 nozzle is worth at least a try. Who knows, ya might could like it.
 
Trichy Bastard said:
Lol- yeah sorry about that- the thread sort of took on it's own life. Anyway the proven and timer, and one I chose was the ATC 422 flip flip timer. I got the 12v version - make sure you get the octal base and mount kit for a few bucks more. Hammer21 pointed me to a timer on ebay that was nice, and I will review it this week. Only issue for me was that it worked off 110v wall electricity and I still like the idea of low voltage for alot of reasons from safety to off-grid relaibility. If you plan to run 110v then I will hurry on the review because that timer works well and does have a few extra bells and whistles like a res level cutoff switch.
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The 110v ebay buy you're talking about, is that the one in this link HERE? If so, that's the one I was very seriously considering. In fact, I've been talking to the poster about it. I really like the fact that it has the 1/10th of a second intervals on it, and I'm probably going to need that kind of control considering the size of my setup.
 
I don't really understand how the inpingement nozzle hasn't gone through any scrutiny in a field so dedicated to control.
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DoktorD1313 said:
The 110v ebay buy you're talking about, is that the one in this link HERE? If so, that's the one I was very seriously considering. In fact, I've been talking to the poster about it. I really like the fact that it has the 1/10th of a second intervals on it, and I'm probably going to need that kind of control considering the size of my setup.
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It would be better if the pause time increments were in seconds rather than full minutes. If you can find one that allows for multiple timing schedules throughout the day and night (or at least a day/night setting) that will give you more flexibility.
 
DoktorD1313 said:
The 110v ebay buy you're talking about, is that the one in this link HERE? If so, that's the one I was very seriously considering. In fact, I've been talking to the poster about it. I really like the fact that it has the 1/10th of a second intervals on it, and I'm probably going to need that kind of control considering the size of my setup.
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Yes, that's the one! Wow that was buried way back in the thread... Anyway it works great and has the 1/10 second intervals just like the 422 flip/flop. I'd say it can do a fine job for what we want here. I do like the red digital countdown timers rather than the rheostatic feel of the 422. The low-res float switch is a nice touch to keep your pump from burining out, although I'd add some sort of audible alarm to it as well...
 
Atomizer said:
It would be better if the pause time increments were in seconds rather than full minutes. If you can find one that allows for multiple timing schedules throughout the day and night (or at least a day/night setting) that will give you more flexibility.
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Sorry A- forgot to tell you, it does .10 second intervals... ;)

I've never found one that has seperate day/night cycles- at least not in a timer capable of small increments like we need... However since this is 110v it's real easy to put this timer on a timer that will turn it off a few times throughout the night.
 
Trichy Bastard said:
Sorry A- forgot to tell you, it does .10 second intervals... ;)

I've never found one that has seperate day/night cycles- at least not in a timer capable of small increments like we need... However since this is 110v it's real easy to put this timer on a timer that will turn it off a few times throughout the night.
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Wow-Schizo, I'm answering myself! :) Anyway, let me double check if it is capable to resume the last timing automatically upon re-powering, or if it has to be re-started manually.

EDIT: YES- it does resume the same cycle whence power is resumed via plugging back into the wall. The 422 starts with an "ON" cycle upon power resume, while this starts from the OFF timer countdown and then comes on. Not a big deal either way really. There is a clicking sound from the heavy duty relay inside, but it won't be any louder than your solenoids. (Which BTW don't expect them to be silent- lol).
 
Mike Young said:
I don't really understand how the inpingement nozzle hasn't gone through any scrutiny in a field so dedicated to control.
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Physics says it is a better design for what we want. It allows for a larger orifice (good for not clogging) and more velocity to the fluid as it exits (less friction). ;) The issue is that the impingement pin must precisely line up with the orifice's fluid trajectory. Also it probably will last longer as the pin can be somewhat sacraficial against the forces of erosion, whilst the cloud tops probably need replacing every few runs... I was trying to say if you tried them perhaps your mushrooming issue would be solved? I don't know for sure, but I'd be curious to try them for a couple days since the roots are already established, aren't you curious?

P.s.- ever notice the inner spirals of the nozzle- I wonder of they help get the water to shoot out better? They seem pretty hi-tech to me compared to the digs? no?

It does suck that they're not 2-toned in pretty purple lol... :P
 
The swirl pattern is designed to reduce turbulence and generate a more laminar flow into the orifice. Netafim use the same principle in their nozzles, even the blank ones ;)
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Atomizer said:
The swirl pattern is designed to reduce turbulence and generate a more laminar flow into the orifice. Netafim use the same principle in their nozzles, even the blank ones ;)
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What exactly do you mean by blank?

Hey guys I was reading about superthrive which lead me on to research about auxins (plant hormones) which then lead my to how topping your plants and other forms of training effect the hormones and cause more tips to form... Found it quite informative and a good read for everything you need to know on the subject... The funniest part is I learned FIMming stood for "Fuck, I missed!" lol- guess truth is stranger than fiction...
http://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/239248#239248
 
The orange nozzle caps are blank, they`re used to cap off unwanted mist heads. Netafims are made up of 3 components, body, insert and cap. The insert turns the input flow through 90degrees and creates 2 jets of water on opposite sides of the insert. The jets fire directly into the swirl channels. There`s usually more to a nozzle than first meets the eye ;)
 
Atomizer said:
The orange nozzle caps are blank, they`re used to cap off unwanted mist heads. Netafims are made up of 3 components, body, insert and cap. The insert turns the input flow through 90degrees and creates 2 jets of water on opposite sides of the insert. The jets fire directly into the swirl channels. There`s usually more to a nozzle than first meets the eye ;)
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Ahh cool. Thanks...
 
Trichy Bastard said:
What exactly do you mean by blank?

Hey guys I was reading about superthrive which lead me on to research about auxins (plant hormones) which then lead my to how topping your plants and other forms of training effect the hormones and cause more tips to form... Found it quite informative and a good read for everything you need to know on the subject... The funniest part is I learned FIMming stood for "Fuck, I missed!" lol- guess truth is stranger than fiction...
http://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/239248#239248
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Thanks for that link, Trichy! It was a very interesting read to say the least! Definitely something to consider for later grows (probably won't do any kind of topping until I get zeroed in with my HPA setup).
 
Trichy Bastard said:
What exactly do you mean by blank?

Hey guys I was reading about superthrive which lead me on to research about auxins (plant hormones) which then lead my to how topping your plants and other forms of training effect the hormones and cause more tips to form... Found it quite informative and a good read for everything you need to know on the subject... The funniest part is I learned FIMming stood for "Fuck, I missed!" lol- guess truth is stranger than fiction...
http://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/239248#239248
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Funny I was just looking into this myself! I'm a fan of topping at the 4th node when there at the 5th node then cut the bottom 2 branches off and train those out and lollipop them at 12-18" then flower them. Kinda like uncle bens topping tutorial
 
dickkhead said:
Funny I was just looking into this myself! I'm a fan of topping at the 4th node when there at the 5th node then cut the bottom 2 branches off and train those out and lollipop them at 12-18" then flower them. Kinda like uncle bens topping tutorial
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Cool man, it was a good summation of all there is to know on the subject. I don't know Uncle Ben's tutorial, but I know he is a good guy and knows what he is talking about on most topics he speaks of. If you read Homebrewer's thread, you'll know Ben is the guy that got him to skeptically test Dyna-Gro against his long time GH routine... BTW- I have the full Dyna regimen sitting around again and will be testing it in aero once I can prove if the Aerolife system works first with Canna since it's better to start with less variables first.
 
Trichy Bastard said:
Cool man, it was a good summation of all there is to know on the subject. I don't know Uncle Ben's tutorial, but I know he is a good guy and knows what he is talking about on most topics he speaks of. If you read Homebrewer's thread, you'll know Ben is the guy that got him to skeptically test Dyna-Gro against his long time GH routine... BTW- I have the full Dyna regimen sitting around again and will be testing it in aero once I can prove if the Aerolife system works first with Canna since it's better to start with less variables first.
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Yea ub seems to know his stuff for sure! Keep me posted cause I'm nearing the end and about to harvest and start a new run of Hp aero girls:)
 
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