True HP Aero For 2011

kmbud said:
I have a thought on something I would like to build. I want a system to veg out plants I take from a clone to get them ready for the aero chamber. This way I could have some plants vegging to a good size while I am waiting on my aero chamber to be free'd up. I don't really want to have to wait on plants to veg to a good size on the chamber. Any thoughts? Any links to a system someone has seen?

I thought about using a tote and use some 2 inch inserts to hold cloans. Then use some misting nozzles hooked to a pump in a seprate res. Maybe spray 10 seconds every minute or two. Let it drain back to the res.
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I actually set up single 5 g buckets with 2 nozzles in each top and veg them out for 4-6 weeks in them misting 5 on 1-2 off for starters and tweek it after a week or 2 and 150ppm from seedling and have had good results
 
All I'm saying is you should try the bubbles before you invest in another timer, pump, accumulator, solenoids, pressure switch, pressure gauge, etc... And if you're hoping to veg for any amount of time, yes you'll want to use some nutes.
 
Trichy Bastard said:
Yes, in the end, fog isn't likely to do much, even I admit that. Just having fun with it since I already blew the cash a long time ago before I knew any better... Definitely an accumulator would help your situation, although don't want to be accused of pushing a shopping list... heheh
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the bigger the better! add that to the shoping list
 
Mike Young said:
All I'm saying is you should try the bubbles before you invest in another timer, pump, accumulator, solenoids, pressure switch, pressure gauge, etc... And if you're hoping to veg for any amount of time, yes you'll want to use some nutes.
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Very true Mike... I guess in my personal pursuit of perfection, the only downside I have with a bubble cloner is the fact that the roots still won't be true aero, and will suffer a transition period. They do have nute injectors, that could inject the concentrated formula into the tapwater, but that's probably getting back to expensive and more complex again. I'm thinking more and more that the fog collar might be a viable option. The stem can still provide the bulk of the plant's needs that fog might not be able to, but the fog will get those fine HP roots started. The hurdle will be to see if I can get them to be ready in less than 3 weeks, although the idea that they'll be still growing good because attached by a stem, leads me to believe if I just start a week sooner, I'll have the best of all worlds. What do you think?
 
TB: Transitioned from my DIY bubbler to HPA (sans accum) ~ 10 days ago.

Do these roots look like they are suffering? Yes, there was a small adjustment period, BUT, that could be due to a totally different light system and time. Bubbler is 24/0, HPA is 12/12. There are a lot more tiny laterals (pre cotton candy) than the photo shows. Will try to crop and enlarge.
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PetFlora said:
Do these roots look like they are suffering?...
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i do man...
why are you still choking the roots with those white pvc parts? You'll never get pom pom sized root balls with that on there. You have a net pot inside them,.. i don't get why you need them. Why not just drop the pot in the lid like everyone else, and let the roots get out laterally. You can slide it off now, it'll be too late when the roots get bigger. Plus your tub isn't light proof, so honestly the roots probably liked going to 12/12, since that's 12 hours more real darkness then you were giving them before.
 
Trichy Bastard said:
The stem can still provide the bulk of the plant's needs that fog might not be able to, but the fog will get those fine HP roots started. The hurdle will be to see if I can get them to be ready in less than 3 weeks, although the idea that they'll be still growing good because attached by a stem, leads me to believe if I just start a week sooner, I'll have the best of all worlds. What do you think?
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So you're talking about air layering, and then fogging roots (in what ill assume to be a working fogger cloner), and you think you'll get done in 3 weeks? I quoted that video you said you were looking for, it says 3 weeks to even get roots in the bag of soil when air layering. It's not going to happen that fast, and it's already proven there are much faster options. Cut a clone normally and try to fog it i say, if that isn't faster itself adding other slower ways,.. ugh,.. i don't know, i don't get why. Air layering is a neat thing to do, I'm going to try on a house plant, only.
 
Mike Young said:
Air pump, stone & a bucket/tote of nutes w/collar. I went with a cheap eco-plus aquarium air pump. $10 at the hydro store. I didn't get bubbleponics at first. Once I understood wtf it actually was it seemed like a great idea. The bubbles popping on the surface of the water create pretty small droplets considering how low-tech it is. I'm seeing better roots than I ever did with my lp cloner attempts. I'll know more as time goes on.
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So 'true' bubbleponics to you would look like what then? id love a pic..and what's the collar for? Should the roots not touch the nutes and just air stones popping bubbles do the wetting of the hanging roots, lowering the water as they grow down perhaps? This interests me personally, seems like it would produce some the effect i got in a small tote i made once, that had a constant sprinkler head going in it. I got great starter roots that time while they hung in the constant rain.

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As is i think i'm introducing my ladies too soon to the 5gal buckets, takes them longer then id like to get roots through the 6" net pots and to the mist, i'm looking for a better option of vegging my young ladies also.
 
Sorry Farman I still havnt played with mine but go on the search this thread and it should pop up. Make sure your wiring it properly
 
Trichy Bastard said:
Very true Mike... I guess in my personal pursuit of perfection, the only downside I have with a bubble cloner is the fact that the roots still won't be true aero, and will suffer a transition period. They do have nute injectors, that could inject the concentrated formula into the tapwater, but that's probably getting back to expensive and more complex again. I'm thinking more and more that the fog collar might be a viable option. The stem can still provide the bulk of the plant's needs that fog might not be able to, but the fog will get those fine HP roots started. The hurdle will be to see if I can get them to be ready in less than 3 weeks, although the idea that they'll be still growing good because attached by a stem, leads me to believe if I just start a week sooner, I'll have the best of all worlds. What do you think?
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The roots I'm seeing now in my bubbler are actually pretty decent. Hairs even. I wonder how you would get hairy roots without building a rather large fog collar? Or are you thinking of getting them after you cut your clone from the main stem?

Diyer: The collar I menioned is just a neoprene disk for holding the cutting. I think I'm going to cut the tap roots every so often to keep them from soaking. I want them to get all their nutrients from the bubbles.

Here's my bubble roots...

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Mike Young said:
The roots I'm seeing now in my bubbler are actually pretty decent...
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collar,.. got it,.. Yea i need something like that to start mine off better, those roots look real good, like what i got last time i used those collars and stopped jamming my roots in rocks,.. dumb. :wall:

So do your roots hang in nute solution at all? How do they get watered in your bubbler?
 
DIYer said:
So you're talking about air layering, and then fogging roots (in what ill assume to be a working fogger cloner), and you think you'll get done in 3 weeks? I quoted that video you said you were looking for, it says 3 weeks to even get roots in the bag of soil when air layering. It's not going to happen that fast, and it's already proven there are much faster options. Cut a clone normally and try to fog it i say, if that isn't faster itself adding other slower ways,.. ugh,.. i don't know, i don't get why. Air layering is a neat thing to do, I'm going to try on a house plant, only.
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Well, not exactly, I was proposing to do the air layering, but instead of using the traditional method, I was going to try to accomplish it by having a collar around the stem with fog pumping through it, rather than being clamped with rockwool and saran-wrap.
 
DIYer said:
So 'true' bubbleponics to you would look like what then? id love a pic..and what's the collar for? Should the roots not touch the nutes and just air stones popping bubbles do the wetting of the hanging roots, lowering the water as they grow down perhaps? This interests me personally, seems like it would produce some the effect i got in a small tote i made once, that had a constant sprinkler head going in it. I got great starter roots that time while they hung in the constant rain.

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As is i think i'm introducing my ladies too soon to the 5gal buckets, takes them longer then id like to get roots through the 6" net pots and to the mist, i'm looking for a better option of vegging my young ladies also.
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A 6" netpot seems huge for a 5 gallon bucket in my opinion. Why not use a 2" or 3" netpot- all it's doing is supporting the roots, right? Why make them have to navigate through all that material just to finally find the mist?
 
Mike Young said:
The roots I'm seeing now in my bubbler are actually pretty decent. Hairs even. I wonder how you would get hairy roots without building a rather large fog collar? Or are you thinking of getting them after you cut your clone from the main stem?

Diyer: The collar I menioned is just a neoprene disk for holding the cutting. I think I'm going to cut the tap roots every so often to keep them from soaking. I want them to get all their nutrients from the bubbles.

Here's my bubble roots...

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Interesting looking roots, remind me of a spider's hairy legs hehe... They don't look so bad do they... Well I guess the collar only has to be about 2 inches laterally around the stalk, and then just wide enough to be practical. The logistics of making them lightweight enough with the input and exhaust fog tubes will be something to ponder. Basically it will do the same job as the rockwool or soil in air layering, but the media will be strictly fog, hoping that it forces some aeroponic type roots that easily adjust to the HPA chamber. Curious to see how quickly those bubble roots adjust, seems they might be quicker than other methods.
 
Trichy Bastard said:
A 6" netpot seems huge for a 5 gallon bucket in my opinion. Why not use a 2" or 3" netpot- all it's doing is supporting the roots, right? Why make them have to navigate through all that material just to finally find the mist?
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i hear ya,.. its one problem with the way i chose to go, but then again i grow um 4-5' tall, so they need a little more then a 3" net pot to hold onto without falling over, and needing to be tied and supported, which is always something i try to avoid having to do,.. even though i still do a little, its just a pain.

So hows a bubbler work? Is it just small dwc, or do the stems/roots not hit the water?
 
Trichy Bastard said:
Well, not exactly, I was proposing to do the air layering, but instead of using the traditional method, I was going to try to accomplish it by having a collar around the stem with fog pumping through it, rather than being clamped with rockwool and saran-wrap.
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Ooooh i gotcha now. Still its going to need to grow scar tissue first, and thus why it takes 3 weeks. I just did it to a house plant today :P
 
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