Trump To Turn Himself In

sunni

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we seem to be having a real issue following the rules here i have almost over 100 post deletions,
additionally i have people snarky attacking staff, leaving snarkyposts on my wall etc.

Please continue following the rules.
 

Fogdog

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Gunfire erupts after Proud Boys and anti-fascists openly brawl in Portland without police intervention
Far right groups gathered Sunday in Portland for an event they called the “Summer of Love,” even as the rally date was chosen to commemorate an extraordinarily violent clash last summer in the city. The event ended with a roving brawl along busy city streets in the Parkrose neighborhood, and shots being fired in downtown Portland. No one was reported injured in the shooting incident

Anti-fascists and far left demonstrators gathered downtown early in the day to oppose the far right gathering. The two sides eventually clashed in Northeast Portland after remaining separate for hours, leaving a spree of violence that stretched blocks.

After the violence ended in Northeast Portland, a man fired a handgun at what appeared to be a group of anti-fascists downtown. Portland police moved in and arrested 65-year-old Dennis G. Anderson of Gresham. He was charged with unlawful use of a weapon and unlawful possession of a firearm.
The Portland Metro police just started looking the other way about that time and Proud Boys were given the green light to go at anybody they thought might be antifascist. Of course, they would have shown up if Antifa had the numbers on PB. They protected their own. In this case, the numbers favored PB due to the unannounced change in venue.

That event took place a week or so before the violence culminated in two deaths. One was an alt right goon who was menacing people in downtown Portland. The other man was the shooter of the alt right goon who died in a hail of police bullets, an incident that was not captured on video because all the officers involved shut their cameras off.

The governor got involved, she brought in police from other areas and she made it clear that she was not going to tolerate any more violence.

This thread captures the essence of what happened in 2020 and 2021, including post made real time when Jan 6 came down.

 
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cannabineer

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The Portland Metro police just started looking the other way about that time and Proud Boys were given the green light to go at anybody they thought might be antifascist. Of course, they would have shown up if Antifa had the numbers on PB. They protected their own. In this case, the numbers favored PB due to the unannounced change in venue.

That event took place a week or so before the violence culminated in two deaths. On was a alt right goon who was menacing people in downtown Portland. The other man was the shooter of the alt right goon who died in a hail of police bullets, an incident that was not captured on video because all the officers involved shut their cameras off.

The governor got involved, she brought in police from other areas and she made it clear that she was not going to tolerate any more violence.
turning the cams off should be grounds for immediate termination with prejudice.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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The Portland Metro police just started looking the other way about that time and Proud Boys were given the green light to go at anybody they thought might be antifascist. Of course, they would have shown up if Antifa had the numbers on PB. They protected their own. In this case, the numbers favored PB due to the unannounced change in venue.

That event took place a week or so before the violence culminated in two deaths. One was an alt right goon who was menacing people in downtown Portland. The other man was the shooter of the alt right goon who died in a hail of police bullets, an incident that was not captured on video because all the officers involved shut their cameras off.

The governor got involved, she brought in police from other areas and she made it clear that she was not going to tolerate any more violence.

This thread captures the essence of what happened in 2020 and 2021, including post made real time when Jan 6 came down.

Is the DOJ investigating the whole matter? How about Barr's goon squad of prison and border guards. Who was hauling people into vans illegally?
 

Fogdog

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Is the DOJ investigating the whole matter? How about Barr's goon squad of prison and border guards. Who was hauling people into vans illegally?

I haven't been following it very closely because things have been quiet ever since the crack down on Proud Boys after Jan 6 and the turnover in the executive branch of our government. I think the 50 or so police officers resigned rather than face charges. Once those bad apples were made examples, the Portland Police stood down. Antifa hasn't had a reason to show up in numbers because fascists are no longer trying to project their own brand of power onto our streets. It's more like a fire that is smoldering beneath the forest floor right now. It might die down or it might flare up, guarantee it will if fascism takes over government again. Also, the people of Portland are ready to march in support of BLM if they call for a demonstration. We learned a lesson when some people hijacked the BLM cause and acted against the wishes of the BLM leadership in Portland. Antifa and BLM are not the same but they do share objectives and sometimes ally with each other.

But not much has changed beneath the surface. This is highlighted by a shooting that took place a couple of years ago.


Immediately after the shooting of BLM protesters, the police released a report that blamed the BLM protesters. The had to reverse their statements soon thereafter but the red flag was seen by all. Mayor Wheeler also backtracked on some loose comments about roughing up protesters should they be seen on his streets. So, its all still there. The pieces are set to go off again.

I believe that Antifa are heroes in this but nobody is pure after a war. Everybody is a little tainted. That said Antifa are on the right side of all this. We saw on Jan 6 what fascists do when they think they have the upper hand. The good people of Portland made sure that fascists know they aren't welcome here. Regarding BLM protests, they will stop when police brutality against our Black brothers and sisters stop. Nobody is holding their breath waiting for that to happen.

on a lark, I just checked for anything new on the subject of the confrontation between fascists and those who oppose them including BLM and Antifa. The Atlantic just published a retrospective that says what I have been saying all along. Trump and his gang targeted Portland for propaganda purposes. I don't think the article captures the meaning behind the fact that all the chaos and violence went away when Fascists lost power in 2020. The subject is complicated and he tries to take a balanced stance when there was imbalance in power at that time. But still, its a good read, if you have the time for it.

 
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doughper

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Code:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/04/us-extremism-portland-george-floyd-protests-january-6/673088/
“Blood grows hot, and blood is spilled. Thought is forced from old channels into confusion. Deception breeds and thrives. Confidence dies, and universal suspicion reigns. Each man feels an impulse to kill his neighbor, lest he be first killed by him. Revenge and retaliation follow. And all this … may be among honest men only. But this is not all. Every foul bird comes abroad, and every dirty reptile rises up. These add crime to confusion.”

— Abraham Lincoln, letter to the Missouri abolitionist Charles D. Drake, 1863
He read my mind, 160 years earlier. Er, no, he merely described the nature of human being in myself.

And the thing that is so very frightening is the level of armament in the USA now. Until my military days I'd never
thought of a gun to be used for anything but to hunt or target shoot. Now, everybody buys guns with one
thought, to shoot another person. Watching this grow for decades has been horrifying.

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Vicky Franzinetti was a teenage member of the far-left militant group Lotta Continua during the Years of Lead. “There was a lot of what I would call John Wayneism, and a lot of people fell for that,” she told me. “Whether it’s the Black Panthers or the people who attacked on January 6 on Capitol Hill, violence has a mesmerizing appeal on a lot of people.”
Code:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/04/us-extremism-portland-george-floyd-protests-january-6/673088/
Reagan's dream, I call this.
political violence ... is fed by a mishmash of extremist right-wing views. It predates the emergence of Donald Trump, but Trump served as an accelerant. He also made tolerance of political violence a defining trait of his party,
Code:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/04/us-extremism-portland-george-floyd-protests-january-6/673088/
What a grim read, by Adrienne LaFrance and in five parts. Pretty well, stated, seemingly even-handed. I don't see how a proud boy could be mad at her for this report. Unless, to him it'd just be fake news.[/QUOTE]
 
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schuylaar

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LOL, that's why I emphasized Dr D's tenure. His legal theories are an embarrassment to Harvard but they can't get rid of him. But then again, Stewart Rhodes, now convict number 6499287, got a degree from there, so maybe the problem doesn't stop with Dr D.
I went to 'like' the post but it's missing. Harvard will need Rhodes' new address/phone for the alumni calls. Let someone else have shakedown for cash.
 

schuylaar

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Okay, so no cuffs, holding cell or mug shot. Fingerprints are the only thing confirmed. Wow! Doesn't sound like any arrest I've heard of.

They better get his DNA or I don't like this. Frankly I'm glad they're not doing mug shots so he can't make money off them.. although, a set of prints can have the same effect.

So much for private citizens all being treated the same!

Get the DNA..they must! It's the key.
 
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schuylaar

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Antfascists are patriots

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Problem: We are the last to remember that time before..of the stories from elders because we only had TV/radio. They spoke; we listened to carry it forward. The newer generations hyper individuality + 1995? Musk and Wozniak are saying we should slow down. I have respect for Wozniak and the others that signed their letter. If only Hawking were still alive.

We didn't get to deliver the message of our elders (at least I never got to).
 

BudmanTX

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welp looks like Capt Caps Alock screwed himself again.....this time with the DOJ.......think Jack's wiskers are tingling at this point...


furthermore this orange asshole doesn't know when to stfu,cause he ratted himself out on Hannity....


and guess who was watching....hint hint

Perp walk tomorrow, oh this is gonna be fun.....wonder if the judge is gonna issue a gag order.....that would freaking great.....first time he says something....jail

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DIY-HP-LED

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welp looks like Capt Caps Alock screwed himself again.....this time with the DOJ.......think Jack's wiskers are tingling at this point...


furthermore this orange asshole doesn't know when to stfu,cause he ratted himself out on Hannity....


and guess who was watching....hint hint

Perp walk tomorrow, oh this is gonna be fun.....wonder if the judge is gonna issue a gag order.....that would freaking great.....first time he says something....jail

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Donald is fucked over the documents case and was even before this was announced, in fact there was mention of it in the press a while back, but I suppose they have a lot more confirmation now. Donald's trial on these particular charges won't be a long-drawn-out affair. The judge will look at the evidence and prima facie case and calculate how many weeks to set aside for the trial and when to set the trial date. There are few dodges and delays involved in this case and questions of privilege will be set aside by pretrial motions already being settled. Donald has no defense and Jack has an extremely strong case, others are treated very harshly for such crimes involving classified materials and justice is swift by most legal standards. This is not NY, GA or J6, this is black and white, up and down and appeals are made from inside a cell. Equality under the law begins with the judge, who must treat all the same and there is no provision in the law for Ex presidents who broke the law, their oaths and the faith.
 

BudmanTX

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Donald is fucked over the documents case and was even before this was announced, in fact there was mention of it in the press a while back, but I suppose they have a lot more confirmation now. Donald's trial on these particular charges won't be a long-drawn-out affair. The judge will look at the evidence and prima facie case and calculate how many weeks to set aside for the trial and when to set the trial date. There are few dodges and delays involved in this case and questions of privilege will be set aside by pretrial motions already being settled. Donald has no defense and Jack has an extremely strong case, others are treated very harshly for such crimes involving classified materials and justice is swift by most legal standards. This is not NY, GA or J6, this is black and white, up and down and appeals are made from inside a cell. Equality under the law begins with the judge, who must treat all the same and there is no provision in the law for Ex presidents who broke the law, their oaths and the faith.
ol Don will use his old tactics....delay...delay...delay...appeal...appeal...appeal.....

that's his usual MO right now.......the funny thing is...he's still gettin screwed.....

they better have a security detail ready for the NY judge, cause capt cap alock already ratted his name out already...
 
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