Fogdog
Well-Known Member
First : I'm talking about Israel and not "Jews". I have serious issues with the policies of the government of Israel. Jews are a religious community and some support Israel's policies while others don't. A lot of Christians support Israel's policies too, so I don't see this as a "Jewish" thing, I see it as a problem with Israel.
Second: I haven't been to the Middle East. I only know what I read. Like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state-sponsored_terrorism . I'll copy a small part of what is claimed to be Iranian sponsorship of terrorism:
Alleged Al-Qaeda ties[edit]
Al-Qaeda leaders regard Shia Muslims as heretics and have attacked their mosques and gatherings.[52] In Iraq it considers Shi'i civilians to be legitimate targets for acts of violence.[53] The group has been designated as terrorist organization by Iran and many other countries, and Iran has a hostile relationship with the group.[54] However, allegedly Al-Qaeda and Iran formed an alliance during the 1990s in which Hezbollah trained al Qaeda operatives.[55] Iran detained hundreds of al Qaeda operatives that entered the country following the 2001 invasion of Afghanistan; even though "the Iranian government has held most of them under house arrest, limited their freedom of movement, and closely monitored their activities," U.S. officials have expressed concerns that Iran has not fully accounted for their whereabouts, culminating in accusations of Iranian complicity in the 2003 Riyadh compound bombings.[56][54]
1998 United States embassy bombings[edit]
On November 8, 2011, Judge John D. Bates ruled in federal court that Iran was liable for the 1998 United States embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania. In his 45-page decision, Judge Bates wrote that "Prior to their meetings with Iranian officials and agents Bin Laden and al Qaeda did not possess the technical expertise required to carry out the embassy bombings in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam."[57]
USS Cole bombing[edit]
In March 2015, U.S. federal judge Rudolph Contreras found both Iran and Sudan complicit in the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole by al Qaeda, stating that "Iran was directly involved in establishing Al-Qaeda's Yemen network and supported training and logistics for Al-Qaeda in the Gulf region" through Hezbollah. Two previous federal judges had ruled that Sudan was liable for its role in the attack, but Contreras's "ruling is the first to find Iran partly responsible for the incident."[58]
September 11[edit]
Main article: Responsibility for the September 11 attacks
The U.S. indictment of bin Laden filed in 1998 stated that al-Qaeda "forged alliances ... with the government of Iran and its associated terrorist group Hezbollah for the purpose of working together against their perceived common enemies."[55] On May 31, 2001, Steven Emerson and Daniel Pipes wrote in The Wall Street Journal that "Officials of the Iranian government helped arrange advanced weapons and explosives training for Al-Qaeda personnel in Lebanon where they learned, for example, how to destroy large buildings."[59]
The 9/11 Commission Report stated that 8 to 10 of the hijackers on 9/11 previously passed through Iran and their travel was facilitated by Iranian border guards.[55][60] The report also found "circumstantial evidence that senior Hezbollah operatives were closely tracking the travel of some of these future muscle hijackers into Iran in November 2000."[60] After the commission called for "further investigation" into a possible Iranian role in the attacks, President George W. Bush demanded that Iran sever its ties with al-Qaeda, while saying that in his view, "There was no direct connection between Iran and the attacks of September 11."[61]
Regarding US and it's history of misdeeds. You have little argument from me. I will say that what the US has done and is doing is wrong. However, what Iran is doing is wrong too. Using what the US has done to somehow bless Iran is false logic.
Regarding Hamas and Hezbollah, I agree that without Israel's actions, those two groups probably wouldn't exist. However, some of those guys are violent and radical hard line haters of the US and I'm simply not going to go over there and open mouth kiss them. The most violent and radical members of those groups need watching at the very least. They aren't our friends, that's for certain.
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