ok stoners. i just bought some and the label says not 1 drop per gallon its one drop per small cupfull. 1/4 tsp per gallon. and on reading other threads use it only during veg. id imagine not right away though im going to wait till there is 6 leafs or 3 nodes i heard of possibly being to strong for seedlings. do not use during budding cause it slows down the process. they did say though that its probably not harmfull to use the whole way through. im not gonna use it during budding. to iffy. and why lengthen the process.
Using Super Thrive Properly
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TheDude007
Member
And this guy is right....1ml per gallon, not 5ml (a teaspoon), your recommending a tablespoon, which is more than 5ml a gallon. Which makes you patently absurd, and unable to follow simple instructions on a label. Who's intelligent now? great disinformation your doling out.
Serapis
Well-Known Member
I think that is overkill. I only use superthrive for germinating, very first watering and after potting up. I follow the directions and use a dropper and only add 2-3 drops per gallon. I would never recommend a tblspn per gallon. No wonder you advocate a one time use per plant.
Cabron1
Member
Wanna try something even better??
Save your money ...
Super thrive and thrive alive are both basicly B vitamins and some BS hormone ..
Studies have been done for years and always found to be null and void of any
benefits in any form over maintaining a healthy growing environment.
This Old guy has splattered his bottle with proven lies...
all these pedigrees,awards ,,etc...all BS!!
But he and his family has been retired and living the good life for years
do to the public's fascination with a bottle of B12....
Ya gotta give him credit,he pulled it off!
Plants cannot utilize B vitamins people,,,do your research.
This stuff is twentieth century snake oil!
Yes i've used it ,,still have some sitting in the fridge right now.
But I'm wise enough to know BS ,,and admit that I fell for it as well!
Save your money ...
Super thrive and thrive alive are both basicly B vitamins and some BS hormone ..
Studies have been done for years and always found to be null and void of any
benefits in any form over maintaining a healthy growing environment.
This Old guy has splattered his bottle with proven lies...
all these pedigrees,awards ,,etc...all BS!!
But he and his family has been retired and living the good life for years
do to the public's fascination with a bottle of B12....
Ya gotta give him credit,he pulled it off!
Plants cannot utilize B vitamins people,,,do your research.
This stuff is twentieth century snake oil!
Yes i've used it ,,still have some sitting in the fridge right now.
But I'm wise enough to know BS ,,and admit that I fell for it as well!
Serapis
Well-Known Member
You write a great informative post about SuperThrive only to turn around and act like an ass about it. Have you ever read the Welcome thread for newbies? It advises to ask questions and seek answers here in the forums, not to be afraid to ask, then you pop off a response like the quoted? Do you realize that many Google searches regarding MJ just point back to here or a COMPETITOR'S website? Are you advocating RIU readers should use other resources besides this very forum that was set up for this very purpose?
I'm hoping you were just having a bad moment when you typed that and that you really didn't mean it. You should have also explained why you recommend a dosage that could be potentially 100 times stronger than the bottle instructions recommend? You must have a reasonable explanation other than "It's what I recommend". The correct recommended dosage was cited and you responded with an attitude....
Overall great post with a poor follow up...
Serapis
Well-Known Member
You might want to do some research yourself there big fella....
Vitamin B1 (Thiamine) helps your plants use and create carbohydrates so your plants have enough energy to build strong vegetative growth and to power production of flowers and essential oils. It also facilitates your plants’ use of phosphate, which is an essential nutrient that fuels flower growth. B1 strengthens plant immune systems so they better stand up to disease and stress. B1 activates Systemic Acquired Resistance (SAR), which is the same benefit that happens in humans when a vaccination produces a pre-emptively increased immune response to future disease attacks. What’s more, B1 assists in root development so your plants intake more nutrients faster, and are more resistant to shock, transplanting, cloning.
You claim to be wise enough to know BS when you see it, then reread your post.
There are plenty of people I would consider master gardeners that swear by Superthrive based on PAST RESULTS.
You are of course entitled to your opinion. After researching it online as you suggested, I found a few others that like you, think it is a scam. But I suggest you research the benefits of B1.
All B vitamins are water-soluble, meaning that the body does not store them.
Like other B complex vitamins, thiamine is considered an "anti-stress" vitamin because it may strengthen the immune system and improve the body's ability to withstand stressful conditions. It is named B1 because it was the first B vitamin discovered.
Thiamine is found in both plants and animals and plays a crucial role in certain metabolic reactions. For example, it is required for the body to form adenosine triphosphate (ATP), which every cell of the body uses for energy.
Cabron1
Member
Not even interested in dialog with you Serapis...
You've blown that in another thread so You are on ignore bro!
Plants create their own vitamins internally and do not uptake vitamins
via roots ...
You wanna spend a few bucks on something to jump start your cuts
or seedlings ,,,then try this...
5 bucks will make 18 gallons....has more IBA (Indole-3Butyric Acid) than most
cloning gels and powders ...has the hormones too...
Lowes has it all day every day..
Ohh and as a bonus! this stuff actually works! and is priced @ bargain basement.
I guess I could claim to be a professional gardener,,and I don't use it! ( thrivealive& superthrive)
You've blown that in another thread so You are on ignore bro!
Plants create their own vitamins internally and do not uptake vitamins
via roots ...
You wanna spend a few bucks on something to jump start your cuts
or seedlings ,,,then try this...
5 bucks will make 18 gallons....has more IBA (Indole-3Butyric Acid) than most
cloning gels and powders ...has the hormones too...
Lowes has it all day every day..
Ohh and as a bonus! this stuff actually works! and is priced @ bargain basement.
I guess I could claim to be a professional gardener,,and I don't use it! ( thrivealive& superthrive)
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Cabron1
Member
This is a cut n paste from.
Ross C. Clark, Professor (and botanist) Department of Biological Sciences, Eastern Kentucky University.
Believe It Or Not: The Brown Bottle Sacred Cow, Defrocked
Most of you are probably familiar with the tale about the emperor’s new clothes. This is an “emperor’s new clothes” story.
Just in case you have forgotten it . . . Once upon a time, there was a very self-important ruler of a small kingdom. His word was law; no one dared to disagree with him. Everyone bowed and smiled as he passed by. The imperial life was good; he was a very secure, very relaxed monarch. One day an enterprising tailor received an audience with the emperor, to show him a truly remarkable new line of clothing no one else had ever seen or worn. Naturally, that idea had great appeal for the ruler. As the tailor lifted, carefully displayed and oohed and aahed over the clothes, the emperor became more and more pleased and excited. However, as each of the emperor’s close advisors quietly watched, it became obvious to each of them that the tailor was showing the monarch invisible–or imaginary–clothes. Naturally, each of the advisors kept it to himself, dared not say anything, and continued to smile and nod his approval. So, the emperor bought the “clothes” and wore them as he rode a white horse in a parade down the main street of his capital city. Everyone bowed, smiled, and secretly noted that the emperor was not wearing a stitch of clothing. But no one dared to utter the naked truth. No one, except one little boy, who cried out, “Why look, the Emperor has no clothes on!” Naturally, once the truth came out, there was quite a general commotion, with everyone laughing and repeating what had been obvious from the beginning: The emperor was wearing nothing at all!
I am that little boy, and I have been watching the emperor and hearing about his new clothes for years. Only, it’s not clothes, folks. It is B-vitamins.
Fortunately for us, plants will tolerate some unnecessary treatment we give them, and thrive in spite of it. One of those totally unnecessary things is feeding our plants B-vitamins. Do you swear by it? Have you heard bonsai gurus swear by it? Do you do it regularly, especially after transplanting or root pruning? Then, by all means, continue to do it if you believe in it, if it makes you feel better. But you should know that there is no experimental evidence to suggest that giving plants B-vitamins by any method at any time for any reason helps the plants. If you supplement with B-vitamins, you are making yourself feel better, not your plants.
Vitamins are essential for basic metabolism. Without B-vitamins, our cells cannot release energy from carbohydrates, make proteins, and do other basic tasks that keep us alive. Without vitamins for metabolism, we would die quickly. (Fortunately, B-vitamins are fat-soluble, so to an extent our bodies store them in body fat for later release.) Animals cannot make most of the vitamins they require. We have to eat plants and other animals to acquire the vitamins we need to stay healthy and develop normally. If our diet does not provide adequate vitamins, or as we get older and our intestines don’t absorb them efficiently, we often take vitamin supplements or higher doses.
So, if we have to get many of our vitamins from outside ourselves, don’t all organisms need vitamins from elsewhere? No, they don’t. Plants (and some other organisms) make all the vitamins they need for metabolism. There is no evidence that plants need any vitamins from external sources. The only raw materials plants need to make all of their required vitamins are a balanced supply of certain inorganic chemicals in the soil (non-carbon-containing ions in water), carbon dioxide from the air, and sunlight. When roots need B-vitamins, those vitamins are moved into the roots from other parts of the plant, or synthesized from raw materials, using the energy stored from photosynthesis to drive the vitamin synthesis process.
When I was young in the 1940s, my mother used to feed me a few drops of brown liquid from a medicine dropper every morning. It smelled just like that stuff you can buy in the brown bottle from the bonsai supply place. Hey; it was the same stuff; what she gave me were B-vitamins.
Today, many people, at least once in a while, give their plants the same treatment my mother gave me. Back in the 1980s, the dosage was one drop per gallon; today, it seems to have been increased to about a bottle’s capful per gallon. Are bonsai today healthier today than in the 1980s because of more B-vitamins? Of course not. But whoever makes that brown liquid stuff is smiling all the way to the bank. And I’m still smiling at the bonsai’s new clothes.
So, who of you will tell the nationally known sensei that B-vitamins are a bunch of bunk? Well, don’t look at me; I certainly won’t say it. I’ll just bow and smile and agree. And, if it makes you feel better, just keep feeding your plants those B-vitamins. At the concentrations you use, you will not hurt your bonsai. If you feel better because of it, you certainly will take better care of your bonsai. That’s what really matters.
It would not be right for me to take up newsletter space without a positive lesson, so here goes. What should you do after repotting to lessen transplant shock? Well, to lessen water loss, we all know we need to put recently repotted trees in a low moisture stress location, in the shade, where they will not lose moisture as fast. And at the other end of the plant, we need to get the roots back on track to increase their ability to absorb after being pruned back. The best way to do that is to keep the roots moist (but certainly not wet), and warm. In extreme cases or when a repotted plant is in precarious condition, you might want to use a heated propagation mat; it will help speed up the formation of new young roots.
Wanna argue with him ,cup O Piss ??? I know where I stand on this subject...
Ross C. Clark, Professor (and botanist) Department of Biological Sciences, Eastern Kentucky University.
Believe It Or Not: The Brown Bottle Sacred Cow, Defrocked
Most of you are probably familiar with the tale about the emperor’s new clothes. This is an “emperor’s new clothes” story.
Just in case you have forgotten it . . . Once upon a time, there was a very self-important ruler of a small kingdom. His word was law; no one dared to disagree with him. Everyone bowed and smiled as he passed by. The imperial life was good; he was a very secure, very relaxed monarch. One day an enterprising tailor received an audience with the emperor, to show him a truly remarkable new line of clothing no one else had ever seen or worn. Naturally, that idea had great appeal for the ruler. As the tailor lifted, carefully displayed and oohed and aahed over the clothes, the emperor became more and more pleased and excited. However, as each of the emperor’s close advisors quietly watched, it became obvious to each of them that the tailor was showing the monarch invisible–or imaginary–clothes. Naturally, each of the advisors kept it to himself, dared not say anything, and continued to smile and nod his approval. So, the emperor bought the “clothes” and wore them as he rode a white horse in a parade down the main street of his capital city. Everyone bowed, smiled, and secretly noted that the emperor was not wearing a stitch of clothing. But no one dared to utter the naked truth. No one, except one little boy, who cried out, “Why look, the Emperor has no clothes on!” Naturally, once the truth came out, there was quite a general commotion, with everyone laughing and repeating what had been obvious from the beginning: The emperor was wearing nothing at all!
I am that little boy, and I have been watching the emperor and hearing about his new clothes for years. Only, it’s not clothes, folks. It is B-vitamins.
Fortunately for us, plants will tolerate some unnecessary treatment we give them, and thrive in spite of it. One of those totally unnecessary things is feeding our plants B-vitamins. Do you swear by it? Have you heard bonsai gurus swear by it? Do you do it regularly, especially after transplanting or root pruning? Then, by all means, continue to do it if you believe in it, if it makes you feel better. But you should know that there is no experimental evidence to suggest that giving plants B-vitamins by any method at any time for any reason helps the plants. If you supplement with B-vitamins, you are making yourself feel better, not your plants.
Vitamins are essential for basic metabolism. Without B-vitamins, our cells cannot release energy from carbohydrates, make proteins, and do other basic tasks that keep us alive. Without vitamins for metabolism, we would die quickly. (Fortunately, B-vitamins are fat-soluble, so to an extent our bodies store them in body fat for later release.) Animals cannot make most of the vitamins they require. We have to eat plants and other animals to acquire the vitamins we need to stay healthy and develop normally. If our diet does not provide adequate vitamins, or as we get older and our intestines don’t absorb them efficiently, we often take vitamin supplements or higher doses.
So, if we have to get many of our vitamins from outside ourselves, don’t all organisms need vitamins from elsewhere? No, they don’t. Plants (and some other organisms) make all the vitamins they need for metabolism. There is no evidence that plants need any vitamins from external sources. The only raw materials plants need to make all of their required vitamins are a balanced supply of certain inorganic chemicals in the soil (non-carbon-containing ions in water), carbon dioxide from the air, and sunlight. When roots need B-vitamins, those vitamins are moved into the roots from other parts of the plant, or synthesized from raw materials, using the energy stored from photosynthesis to drive the vitamin synthesis process.
When I was young in the 1940s, my mother used to feed me a few drops of brown liquid from a medicine dropper every morning. It smelled just like that stuff you can buy in the brown bottle from the bonsai supply place. Hey; it was the same stuff; what she gave me were B-vitamins.
Today, many people, at least once in a while, give their plants the same treatment my mother gave me. Back in the 1980s, the dosage was one drop per gallon; today, it seems to have been increased to about a bottle’s capful per gallon. Are bonsai today healthier today than in the 1980s because of more B-vitamins? Of course not. But whoever makes that brown liquid stuff is smiling all the way to the bank. And I’m still smiling at the bonsai’s new clothes.
So, who of you will tell the nationally known sensei that B-vitamins are a bunch of bunk? Well, don’t look at me; I certainly won’t say it. I’ll just bow and smile and agree. And, if it makes you feel better, just keep feeding your plants those B-vitamins. At the concentrations you use, you will not hurt your bonsai. If you feel better because of it, you certainly will take better care of your bonsai. That’s what really matters.
It would not be right for me to take up newsletter space without a positive lesson, so here goes. What should you do after repotting to lessen transplant shock? Well, to lessen water loss, we all know we need to put recently repotted trees in a low moisture stress location, in the shade, where they will not lose moisture as fast. And at the other end of the plant, we need to get the roots back on track to increase their ability to absorb after being pruned back. The best way to do that is to keep the roots moist (but certainly not wet), and warm. In extreme cases or when a repotted plant is in precarious condition, you might want to use a heated propagation mat; it will help speed up the formation of new young roots.
Wanna argue with him ,cup O Piss ??? I know where I stand on this subject...
Total Head
Well-Known Member
how can you tell someone you do not wish to dialogue and that you put them on ignore and then proceed to barf out 3 consecutive posts arguing against their point complete with name calling? that is so very tacky.
Serapis
Well-Known Member
If that is the case, why are you having one with me here then?
I find some of your information informative, but your attitude about it really sucks.
If you came here to educate us, you are in for one yourself.
vanillakush74
Member
My thoughts on Superthrive....
I am working on my first grow. Recently transplanted (3) plants and they were stressed afterward. Read about Super Thrive and decided to try it. Used 2 drops of Super Thrive in a gallon of water and the next day the plants looked MUCH better. Leaves are no longer drooping and plant has a overall better appearance. I don't have enough experience to swear by it, but it definitely saved the day for me. I hope this info helps.
I am working on my first grow. Recently transplanted (3) plants and they were stressed afterward. Read about Super Thrive and decided to try it. Used 2 drops of Super Thrive in a gallon of water and the next day the plants looked MUCH better. Leaves are no longer drooping and plant has a overall better appearance. I don't have enough experience to swear by it, but it definitely saved the day for me. I hope this info helps.
rupert pupkin
Member
sorry if this is dumb question, kinda brain dead right now. i'm not using superthrive but thrive alive(red) is it similar as in not using in flowering? thanks
I just picked some up since I've had some troubled plants and felt it would be great to have around for future grows as well, especially if I have any problems, and it wasn't expensive at all compared with most nutes and additives. I too did a triple take though when I read the the op's suggested dosing when compared with the suggested ratio on the bottle. Roughly 1.25ml/gal. vs. 15ml/gal. is a radical ratio difference to put it mildly, especially for a product that by all accounts is insanely potent. I too would be scared sh*tless to use it at the ratio that the op suggests, without corroboration from a lot of people that this is an appropriate and completely safe ratio to use (no offense to the op, that's just being smart). Every post I've read so far on ROI about someone using it has been in a much smaller dosage, closer to what the bottle recommends or even less. I don't know if those are experienced growers that know what they're doing though, or if they're amateur growers that are primarily going with what the product recommends and what they've read.
Anyway, I'm going to do more reading about it and see what others have had to say about ratio, and also with respect to not using it during flowering. Thanks for the post.
freeriderd
Member
I can honestly say SuperThrive works for me.
And i have run side by side tests with tomatoes,orchids and cannabis.
I mix batches of nutrients where i use the first half of the mix on the control group(Group A), then i add superthrive to the mixture and feed my test subjects(group B).
By doing it this way the the concentration of nutrients,PH and even temperature are exactly the same for both groups, making the only variable SuperThrive.
Group A has showed nutrient burn on all plants on 2 seperate occasions.
Group B hasn't had the slightest bit of problems.
Also over a 6 week veg period all plants in Group B have shown a 3-6mm increase in stem thickness and a 2-4inch height increase over Group A.
For the record.
I use reccomended doses of SuperThrive.
And i have run side by side tests with tomatoes,orchids and cannabis.
I mix batches of nutrients where i use the first half of the mix on the control group(Group A), then i add superthrive to the mixture and feed my test subjects(group B).
By doing it this way the the concentration of nutrients,PH and even temperature are exactly the same for both groups, making the only variable SuperThrive.
Group A has showed nutrient burn on all plants on 2 seperate occasions.
Group B hasn't had the slightest bit of problems.
Also over a 6 week veg period all plants in Group B have shown a 3-6mm increase in stem thickness and a 2-4inch height increase over Group A.
For the record.
I use reccomended doses of SuperThrive.
ataxia
Well-Known Member
while i've seen the OP can grow amazing plants, I have to agree that 1 tblspn per gallon is a bit insane. I've also read plenty of articles on superthrive and I've never heard of giving a plant a dose that high .... I use superthrive as the others use it. 1 ml per gal but only for transplant. While i can't say that i've seen a difference, I feel comfortable using it strictly for transplant.
Like i said ganjaluvr has posts of great plants but if you're going to make the attempt at giving a tutorial about a product, you should give room for further discussion. Not recommend google. We're all trying to help each other out, and like RIU, google doesn't have all the correct answers either
I often get pissed reading UB's threads where he'll blow off posts from uneducated growers with single word answers. BUT. UB will give a response and most hard data to back up his theories.
Having said that. I respect the info that's shared by the OP. But if you're going to start a thread on a highly used product, then have the audacity to not expect any further discussion.... you wrote the thread and practically put a copyright on it. Back your shit up.
Whether it's snake oil or not is still up for discussion, But you recommended growers to use a tblspn per gal without any reason for such excessive use. I guarantee a newb will kill their plants if they only read the OP's post. If you want to inform, INFORM. Don't pass them off to google for further research. Like the other poster said, Depending upon how you search on google.. you'll just be redirected to RIU.
and CABRON1 came up with some good data, though, in the process he just came off sounding like a dick.
Like i said ganjaluvr has posts of great plants but if you're going to make the attempt at giving a tutorial about a product, you should give room for further discussion. Not recommend google. We're all trying to help each other out, and like RIU, google doesn't have all the correct answers either
I often get pissed reading UB's threads where he'll blow off posts from uneducated growers with single word answers. BUT. UB will give a response and most hard data to back up his theories.
Having said that. I respect the info that's shared by the OP. But if you're going to start a thread on a highly used product, then have the audacity to not expect any further discussion.... you wrote the thread and practically put a copyright on it. Back your shit up.
Whether it's snake oil or not is still up for discussion, But you recommended growers to use a tblspn per gal without any reason for such excessive use. I guarantee a newb will kill their plants if they only read the OP's post. If you want to inform, INFORM. Don't pass them off to google for further research. Like the other poster said, Depending upon how you search on google.. you'll just be redirected to RIU.
and CABRON1 came up with some good data, though, in the process he just came off sounding like a dick.
ataxia
Well-Known Member
that's because you just googled superthirve. I just googled .. using superthrive with cannabis...
This thread is 4th on the google list.
C&J
Member
Yeah I wish i would have read this post during my last grow where i experimented with super thrive. I wasnt aware of the effects of flowering, or that heavy doses could mutate the plant. I grew 2 plants using super thrive . the recommended dose is 1/4 tsp per 1 gallon. I had an indica strain that flowered for 95 days! before it was ripe enough to harvest, On plant two the leaves stopped growing together , instead of the usual hand with fingers appearance they grew a single leave per stem , it was pretty wicked looking. I had sisters of the plants growing without superthrive and they all acted and looked very normal. When the indica was cured it tasted very bad, even though I flushed for 2 weeks The sativa was equally bad tasting but had much denser buds then anything I've ever grown before . This was at 3/4 tsp gallon every 3 waterings. During the whole lives of the plants, Veg and flowering . I threw them out after inital testing , they sucked ass . I do not recommend anything more the the label printed dose of 1/4 tsp per gallon, and from what i just read, only a minimal of times (1 or 2), and never during the flowering stage. As for me I'll stick to my usual nutrients. This was an informative post. thanks all.
