yea a side by side would be interesting. sub is going to be selling his soon. Matt should throw a bag of veganic SS on the market. all though seems as if hes over it and onto other things.....
Vegan Organics Aka Veganics With Matt Rize
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+ WitchDoctor +
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Sub's gonna be selling his soil?? Good for him, that's awesome.
durbanmistyman
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Where did you hear this? I haven't heard about it on the weed nerd.
NightbirdX
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Check his section its in testing now it seems.
yea its in his section like NB said
In my (re)search for a vegan "super soil" i'm just finding how hungry these bitches can really be! I get funky growth if i put seedlings or not too well rooted clones into the mix too soon so i know it's pretty well amended, but i find i start feeding regularly/heavy pretty quick in veg even. Everything i feed is in the form of an act now, even between biocanna feedings they get a light compost tea at least and in flower it's a heavy ewc/bio canna tea EVERY feeding all the way through! Happy as fuck plants though, never had such consistent lush bushes with their fingers pointing strong to the sky until TEAS became the regular thing.
NightbirdX
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This is how I feel. I normally give 2.5ml 2x a week. 5ml on inoculation days.
I am finding that my amended soil really helps ramp up the nutrient intake. I have been giving 25-30ml/gal once a week, and then as flowering ramps up I give another 10-20ml on the next day during weeks 3-6. It still isn't enough IMO, lol I just keep going up and up and they keep wanting more and more. They look great. Don't be afraid to bump up the nutrient intake. The only strain that doesn't like 30ml/gal is my Bubba strain. 30mls is right at the point where it starts to burn the tips a bit. Everything else loves it. As long as you have a balanced diet for it to pull all the micros and such, it will suck it all up.
+ WitchDoctor +
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I give 2.5 ml per gallon as well, every water. And I switch between Agave, Molasses, and Humboldt Honey....just because I have all three and I figured I'd try it.
I think I need to up my nutrients as well.
I think I need to up my nutrients as well.
NightbirdX
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Its taking all the nutes, and still is fading a bit earlier that I prefer, lol. I am going to be upping the NN Nitrogen to 7.5ml/gal in my next runs if it keeps trying to persist. I think I am going to try the Roots Organic Nitrogen supplement next time see if that gives me what I need. NN Nitro really doesn't seem to do that well.
I have been trying to stay away from any non veganic sources in my current set up. I have used Budswell in the past. But I just don't know if I am going to be able to do it any longer. I am slamming them with BioFlores from weeks 3-6, and they still look like they want more. I keep getting these funky dark dark green leaves, a bit like the beginnings of phos def. And they are starting to show the slightest sign of burning. I gave them 30ml/gal Flores on the first watering and on the next they got 10ml flores, 5ml NN nitro. It isn't as if they look bad, they actually look great. I just think they need a bit more phos in their diet. I am thinking of either adding Budswel at 5ml of the light feed days, from weeks 4-6, but the thing that gets me is that I am already adding NN Nitro which is 5-0-0, then I am going to add in some Budswel yellow which is 0-7-0, and still give it 10-20ml of Flores. Maybe I just need to do a 25-30ml feeding and follow it with a 25ml feeding during the bulking period. Either that or maybe just top dress with some dry Budswel at the onset of flowering and then again a month in.
I have heard of people using Humboldt Natural Bloom as a bloom booster. Anyone have any experience with this? I was thinking maybe of adding some of this on the watering day earlier in the bloom phase until I reach full swing with Flores. How is this used? Would 5ml/gal 1x a week and adjust from there, be about right?
I have been trying to stay away from any non veganic sources in my current set up. I have used Budswell in the past. But I just don't know if I am going to be able to do it any longer. I am slamming them with BioFlores from weeks 3-6, and they still look like they want more. I keep getting these funky dark dark green leaves, a bit like the beginnings of phos def. And they are starting to show the slightest sign of burning. I gave them 30ml/gal Flores on the first watering and on the next they got 10ml flores, 5ml NN nitro. It isn't as if they look bad, they actually look great. I just think they need a bit more phos in their diet. I am thinking of either adding Budswel at 5ml of the light feed days, from weeks 4-6, but the thing that gets me is that I am already adding NN Nitro which is 5-0-0, then I am going to add in some Budswel yellow which is 0-7-0, and still give it 10-20ml of Flores. Maybe I just need to do a 25-30ml feeding and follow it with a 25ml feeding during the bulking period. Either that or maybe just top dress with some dry Budswel at the onset of flowering and then again a month in.
I have heard of people using Humboldt Natural Bloom as a bloom booster. Anyone have any experience with this? I was thinking maybe of adding some of this on the watering day earlier in the bloom phase until I reach full swing with Flores. How is this used? Would 5ml/gal 1x a week and adjust from there, be about right?
Dank Raptor
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Good to get the Bloom into your soil fairly soon. I usually do it after the first week of flower because soft rock phosphate takes a while to be broken down by microbes. I start out with 5 ml a gallon and increase it each week until its at full dose. Just under at 9 ml/gl. Its best to brew it before you feed.
NightbirdX
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Good to know. How long are you supposed to brew? I typically aerate my nutrients for a good bit to mix them, but nothing like hours or anything. Best to let it sit out all night?
+ WitchDoctor +
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I don't mix the Natural Bloom in with my nutrients because it's SUPER thick and likes to just settle down on the sides and bottom of my res. I measure it out and pour it into a cup, then fill the cup up with my sprayer and then pour it over the soil. Then I water a little bit and then come back and water again.
I use it weekly, starting as soon as I see flowers. I start at 5ml the first week and get up to 15ml the fourth week. Then I stop, as I also feel that even though it's a liquid it doesn't all get absorbed right away...
What have you been using for P so far?
i've been bubbling everything at least 12hrs, 24 to 36hrs if i have the foresight to start a batch early 
sometimes i'm out of town and have to water right away, but i still give it a couple hours at least.
I have just harvested a couple ladies, and have a few different batches in flower ranging from a few days to several weeks and it appears i've conquered my early yellowing issues. I suppose i attribute it to:
1. heavy amended soilless mix with large variety & at last 50/50 reused soil (kelp, alfalfa, neem, "vegan mix", azomite, greensand, granular humic, dolomite lime, epsom)
2. Natures Nectar Nitrogen (NNN) added on top of everything else @ 5ml/gal for first feeding in flower, 2nd feeding also if plant doesn't darken up enough.
3. heavy feedings of biocanna with Aptus Fasilitor
4. everything fed is an act, full feedings nearly every time with a handfull of compost or ewc tossed in to bubble with it
Now i haven't been using the Humboldt bloom at all, it left a bad taste in my mouth because it was always after my first feeding with that in it that everything started yellowing up and gettin' crispy. I was also not bubbling things much either then and i felt like i was just mish-mashing things together. Now that everything fits in a bit better i may start adding it into a few teas @ 5ml/gal in flower to see how it does, at least to get rid of it anyways, i don't like that it's 0-10-0, i'd like it at no more than 7.
sometimes i'm out of town and have to water right away, but i still give it a couple hours at least. I have just harvested a couple ladies, and have a few different batches in flower ranging from a few days to several weeks and it appears i've conquered my early yellowing issues. I suppose i attribute it to:
1. heavy amended soilless mix with large variety & at last 50/50 reused soil (kelp, alfalfa, neem, "vegan mix", azomite, greensand, granular humic, dolomite lime, epsom)
2. Natures Nectar Nitrogen (NNN) added on top of everything else @ 5ml/gal for first feeding in flower, 2nd feeding also if plant doesn't darken up enough.
3. heavy feedings of biocanna with Aptus Fasilitor
4. everything fed is an act, full feedings nearly every time with a handfull of compost or ewc tossed in to bubble with it
Now i haven't been using the Humboldt bloom at all, it left a bad taste in my mouth because it was always after my first feeding with that in it that everything started yellowing up and gettin' crispy. I was also not bubbling things much either then and i felt like i was just mish-mashing things together. Now that everything fits in a bit better i may start adding it into a few teas @ 5ml/gal in flower to see how it does, at least to get rid of it anyways, i don't like that it's 0-10-0, i'd like it at no more than 7.
NightbirdX
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grab budswell yellow if you want a 0-7-0, it is guano based though :/
To be honest... i did lol! I don't think i mind a little bird/bat shit and i'm seeing how a few do and of course they're coming out great, i don't think i'll ever go back to using bone/blood meal though. I'm doing a single tea application with 1TBSP/gal of the budswel @ first onset of flower and again @ peak blooming. Seems like calyxes are swelling up fatter on these ones? I don't know what it is but i guess the microbes go ape shit over the bird shit.
I like the budswel vs. a pure bag of guano, it smells sweet and earthy and has the consistency of EWC, not sure of the ratios but budswel is EWC, seabird guano and bat guano, not sure how they get it to be 0-7-0, i think 1-7-.5 makes more sense with the EWC being in there.
My setup is turning into a nonstop perpetual harvest so i'm able to try different things, seems like i'm harvesting a few every week.
I've been thinking in terms of your weekly nute amounts nightbird, and just to compare here's what i'm feeding @ max feedings, a couple weeks into flower when i'm doing full vega and full flores.
These are for one feeding applied twice in one week, no other waterings in between. So double for total nutes given in one week.
Per gallon in order of adding to water:
0.7ml aptus fasilitor (or 1ml protekt)
0.7ml aptus humiblast (or 3ml fulpower)
3 - 5ml molasses (or honey ES or agave)
10ml vega
15ml flores
10ml bioboost
pinch of technaflora soluble seaweed
1TBSP EWC or compost
bubble for 12 to 24hrs
then add:
3ml hygrozyme
3ml GO calmag
feed immediately
Bitches love it!
These are for one feeding applied twice in one week, no other waterings in between. So double for total nutes given in one week.
Per gallon in order of adding to water:
0.7ml aptus fasilitor (or 1ml protekt)
0.7ml aptus humiblast (or 3ml fulpower)
3 - 5ml molasses (or honey ES or agave)
10ml vega
15ml flores
10ml bioboost
pinch of technaflora soluble seaweed
1TBSP EWC or compost
bubble for 12 to 24hrs
then add:
3ml hygrozyme
3ml GO calmag
feed immediately
Bitches love it!
Dank Raptor
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ya I like to brew the Bloom for 24 hours. I have found that the soft rock phosphate is good food for a fungal dominant brew so I have been using it as a food source in fungal tea. I believe this helps break it down for the girls. Keep in mind the stuff is very light and hard to burn your plants with.
trichmasta
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How bout this...
http://vitallandscaping.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&layout=item&id=37&Itemid=22
This is the newest addition to my tea's at 2 tbsp/gal
http://vitallandscaping.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&layout=item&id=37&Itemid=22
This is the newest addition to my tea's at 2 tbsp/gal