Vegan Organics Aka Veganics With Matt Rize

Wolverine97

Wolverine97

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Kalyx said:
My local supplier just had a visit from the CANNA rep. A few things of note for us veganic users. Yes Bio Rhizotonic and Bio Cannazyme are supposedly coming here, (been available in Europe) not on the shelves from this dealer yet. I got no word on the BTplus they werent informed on that. The wierd thing they told me is that nothing has changed in these formulations only the labeling. So I asked if the products will be listed with OMRI as well, the shop did not ask this detailed of questions (wish I had a chance to talk to the rep myself). I always wonder though if they are just doing a label switch for marketing to sell more or actually making these products hold up to a higher organics standards for users who DO care.

Also one more interesting thing (heresay now I guess, because I got the info second hand) the CANNA rep said was about CANNAZYME. He of course was plugging it, but by comparing it to Hygrozyme which is one product I have used since the beginning which remains an enigma to me due to the 'top secret' formula and marketing. I do understand them not wanting to be reverse engineered by all the knockoff specialists (AN and many others). Anyway he said something akin to:

"buy cannazyme because it is a good all around (all types of x-ases to break up everything that plants want further broken down in our organic container mixes) enzyme product. It differs from Hygrozyme in that Hygrozyme contains many other booster molecules in addition to enzymes. So ours is more affordable cause it is purely a (I think set of 12) enzymes product without other expensive ingredients.

Theirs is cheaper than the OMRI listed Hygrozyme. I use Hygrozyme and love it but wonder what these other compounds besides enzymes are included for etc? And what is up with the alcoholic smell, is it just left over from fermenting bacteria to extract out the enzymes from?
I don't think alcohol is good in the rootzone but KNOW hygrozyme is so I wonder online for help....




Please keep us updated on the BT Plus availability and any formula changes (to vegan?) that you hear about. Danks for the bio-update share!:shock:
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That first paragraph is a little confusing to me. I'm very curious to know more about the actual formulation, and whether a label change alone is enough to squeak them by. It seems like if it was merely a label change, that they could have done that long ago. I'll stay tuned, though the only thing I'm really interested in is the BT Plus so it doesn't affect me much...
 
NightbirdX

NightbirdX

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Wolverine, I still wanna talk to you about your GO regimen. Still not 100% completely satisfied with BioCanna. Might make the switch to GO. Tired of pissin in the wind I guess, lol. Good results, but they could be better. I just keep adding different supplements. Nature's Nectar Nitrogen, budswell for phos. And they just keep wanting more and more, lol. I think I've reached the peak of what I can do with BioCanna in my soil and need to get a more well rounded nutrient base. GO Bloom has twice the Phos of BioFlores, so right there, I can't see that being bad at all.

I guess if BTP is released, that will change things. I would hope that it is balanced well enough to run their own nutrients. Because as much as they tell me that you need to run a base soil like Ocean Forest, I am running an amended OF Based blend, and am still dealing with deficiencies, and end up feeding it just about as much as my soilless regimen. I started juicing up to higher levels of BioFlores and have been using Budswell since my phos def began. So if I am using BioCanna as a base and still adding in 10 mls of Budswell per week, and 8-10ml of NN Nitrogen per week, why am I not looking for a more well rounded nutrient regimen. And if BioCanna does not want to make their soil available and don't want to give any solid advice, or make supplements to deal with what is wrong with their product, then I don't know if I want to spend an absurd amount of money on their bullshit.

This is my week 5-6 regimen per gallon. 1st Feeding: 2ml HoneyES, 5ml NN Nitro, 5-10ml Budswell, 15ml BioBoost, 30ml BioFlores. 2nd Feeding: 2ml HoneyES, 5-8ml NN Nitrogen, 10ml Budswell, 20ml Flores. I feed about 2.5 quarts about every 3 days. I'm thinking of just bumping my second feeding up to 30mls/gal also. I've had problems in the past with running BioCanna at 30mls. I burned 3 plants last run when I tried to do it, and slowly worked into it this run. It worked a lot better. It just is right at the maximum amount for my Bubba Kush. So the Bubba Kush looks great. Better than it ever has. But it is my lightest feeder. So all my high octane strains are a bit on the def side. Still look nice and frosty, but all my fan leaves on the bottom are starting to get used up.

Also thinking of topdressing with dry ferts Organicare or Rainbow mix and still running my regimen like it is... Might have to dial it back a bit... but all they keep telling me is more more more, lol.

Ahh well rant over.
 
Wolverine97

Wolverine97

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Yeah man, I hear ya. I'm honestly not totally satisfied with the GO line either, but it does work pretty well. For the price difference between them, I just can't see paying for the Canna line (everyone I know that's used it has had some issues). I kinda feel like I'd just be paying for the name. I'm pretty convinced that they're almost the same nutrient line (they're made similarly) but they do have different ratio's of macronutrients. Anyhow, hit me up man, I'm around...
 
Dank Raptor

Dank Raptor

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whats up veganic homies. I have a question for anyone using natures nectar nitrogen. I bought a bottle that smells like toenail funk. I would return it but I bought it online. Does your natures nectar nitrogen have a smell to it? I dont remember it smelling this bad.
 
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blueJ

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Dank Raptor said:
I bought a bottle that smells like toenail funk.... Does your natures nectar nitrogen have a smell to it? I dont remember it smelling this bad.
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HAHAHA, yea that might be a good way to describe the smell! I noticed a funky bitter "sharp" not so pleasant smell to mine as well, i literally only use it once in the life cycle (so the smell isn't on my mind that often) and it serves its purpose for sure...
 
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Hasbroh

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NightbirdX said:
Wolverine, I still wanna talk to you about your GO regimen. Still not 100% completely satisfied with BioCanna. Might make the switch to GO. Tired of pissin in the wind I guess, lol. Good results, but they could be better. I just keep adding different supplements. Nature's Nectar Nitrogen, budswell for phos. And they just keep wanting more and more, lol. I think I've reached the peak of what I can do with BioCanna in my soil and need to get a more well rounded nutrient base. GO Bloom has twice the Phos of BioFlores, so right there, I can't see that being bad at all.

I guess if BTP is released, that will change things. I would hope that it is balanced well enough to run their own nutrients. Because as much as they tell me that you need to run a base soil like Ocean Forest, I am running an amended OF Based blend, and am still dealing with deficiencies, and end up feeding it just about as much as my soilless regimen. I started juicing up to higher levels of BioFlores and have been using Budswell since my phos def began. So if I am using BioCanna as a base and still adding in 10 mls of Budswell per week, and 8-10ml of NN Nitrogen per week, why am I not looking for a more well rounded nutrient regimen. And if BioCanna does not want to make their soil available and don't want to give any solid advice, or make supplements to deal with what is wrong with their product, then I don't know if I want to spend an absurd amount of money on their bullshit.

This is my week 5-6 regimen per gallon. 1st Feeding: 2ml HoneyES, 5ml NN Nitro, 5-10ml Budswell, 15ml BioBoost, 30ml BioFlores. 2nd Feeding: 2ml HoneyES, 5-8ml NN Nitrogen, 10ml Budswell, 20ml Flores. I feed about 2.5 quarts about every 3 days. I'm thinking of just bumping my second feeding up to 30mls/gal also. I've had problems in the past with running BioCanna at 30mls. I burned 3 plants last run when I tried to do it, and slowly worked into it this run. It worked a lot better. It just is right at the maximum amount for my Bubba Kush. So the Bubba Kush looks great. Better than it ever has. But it is my lightest feeder. So all my high octane strains are a bit on the def side. Still look nice and frosty, but all my fan leaves on the bottom are starting to get used up.

Also thinking of topdressing with dry ferts Organicare or Rainbow mix and still running my regimen like it is... Might have to dial it back a bit... but all they keep telling me is more more more, lol.

Ahh well rant over.
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Curious, what size pots are they in?
 
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blueJ

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My regular shop's been out of the biocanna for their relabeling they're doing, SO, i've picked up some GO biothrive grow/bloom/boost and will see how it stacks up to the biocanna i've gotten accustomed to. The price puts a smile on my face and i think i like the NPK's better, 4-3-3 & 3-4-4 & biocanna is 3-1-5 & 2-2-5 respectively....i think :D

I also went through my first "believer pack" freebie from Aptus, fasilitor & start/growth boost, and quite honestly it's made me a believer, i used fasilitor in place of protekt.... i've added their mass boost & finale boost as well, unfortuntely their "N" source is the only thing not "vegan" in their full lineup, but most of their products you use @ less than 1ml/gal

My first full grow with these aptus boosts are @ 3 weeks and the buds are the size of the same clones next to them which are finishing up @ 7 weeks, LOL, but i digress, aptus is not a topic i guess i should be elaborating on in this thread, but it sure as shit is working for me ;)

Anyone care to share their thoughts that have used both GO line and bioCanna?
 
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blueJ

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This batch of clones look nothing like the previous batch of clones from the same BLUSH (sour bubble x blue moon rocks) mother. This batch got a strong shot of natures nectar N @ start of bloom and bio vega fed a little stronger and longer into like the 3rd/4th week, otherwise same soil mix/teas/nutes lights/temps etc. Within a day of the initial NN-N feed it went a darker green and stayed like that until it purpled up starting @ maybe 4 weeks and the buds are much smaller, denser, much larger calyxes, and went friggen purple!
 
malignant

malignant

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must be doing something right! taking clones this week, finally finished mother selection from 5 dairy queens and 5 plushberries. going biocanna in a waterfarm, any one have exp with different mediums?
 
+ WitchDoctor +

+ WitchDoctor +

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blueJ said:
Anyone care to share their thoughts that have used both GO line and bioCanna?
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I didn't get much of a difference in yield or quality to be honest. I thought the Bio Canna harvest tasted a little better, but I was biased I suppose because I kind of expected the Bio Canna to taste better.

I had to use a little less Bio Vega during veg than the GO grow, so the fact that it costs more probably balanced out. But flowering with the GO bloom and Bio Bud cut what I pay for Bio Flores and Bio Boost in half easily. I think you'll be happy with the GO line. I just talked to someone at the store the other day who's using Pura Vida with supposedly great results as well.
 
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