Vote NO on prop 19... (great read for anyone that will be voting in november in cali)
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Burger Boss
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Oh damn....You nailed me! 71 to be exact!
However......"STAND OFFISH"?.....LOL, I would think that my passion for this cause would demonstrate quite the opposite, I go after BS and lies with gusto! Nope, no "stand offishness" here.
And resentful? GUILTY!........I resent clowns with personal/undisclosed agenda trying to ruin something that an awful lot of good folks have been waiting for.
YOUR convoluted logic that it's NOT fair to compare two "declared spokespeople" on opposite sides of this issue, is pretty specious.
MS Dragonfly PUT HERSELF out there, ignorantly spewing crap, without any basis in fact, (kind of like some players in HERE!).
HER lack of any real credentials or credibility isn't MY problem, It's hers and YOURS!
It's a perfectly fair comparison, BOTH have taken VERY public stands on this issue. It's NOT my fault you've got the know-nothing lightweight and my guy has the history and credentials to speak the truth.
Let's try this: I am going to be posting names and links to supporters of 19, YOU post those that are against.
I'm thinking the two lists, side by side, might open a few eyes and minds.
Are YOU up for that Nate?
nathenking
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Im done with it old timer... One thing Ive learned from my uncle and my dad... Its pointless to try and change an old mans mind... You have a better luck getting into fort knox... Tell you what.... Just keep rambling on and on and we will act like what you say means something or is relevant... That should help man... You have been rather rude through out alot of your posts so in reality, i dont care for your opinion, the way you deliver it and just your general perspective on how to treat people... Good luck with the Prop thing man, it seems like its all you got fella...
stingmenot
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Burger Boss i agree with your yes vote but keenly2 in the post above yours and nathenkings post below yours have the right attitude for this community of people we belong to. I have no doubt we would share a good time together given the chance. These no on 19 people are just trying to protect the what they have. I've posted my worries about the long term result of a no on marijuana mandate but the next day result of a no would be good for thousands of growers. The next day result for passage would be good for hundred of thousand maybe millions of marijuana users here in california. If that happens i think growers of quality pot, like nathanking probably is and like many others posting here likely are, they will be fine. If it passes, cultivate your market. Quality always gets the best price.
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Needofweed
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Voters in Rancho Cordova will decide in November whether to tax residents who grow their own pot.The city measure, put on the Nov. 2 ballot by the City Council this week, would impose taxes on all local residential cultivation if California voters approve Proposition 19 to legalize recreational use.But the citys proposed Personal Cannabis Cultivation Tax also makes no distinction between medical and recreational cultivation, Peter Hecht writes in Weed Wars. So the tax would kick in for anyone currently cultivating for personal medical use whether Prop. 19 passes or notIf passed by local voters, the taxation measure in the Sacramento County city would make at-home cultivation a much more expensive endeavor. The Rancho Cordova measure would impose a $600 annual tax per square foot of indoor cultivation of 25 square feet of marijuana or less and a $900 per square foot tax if the indoor growing area is more than 25 square feet.The city tax would cost a local indoor grower $6,000 a year on 10 square feet of pot plants and $15,000 for 25 square feet. Outdoor growers, who would be billed at a lower rate, would pay a $1,200 residential tax for 25 square feet of marijuana plants.If Proposition 19 passes, it would allow California adults over 21 to cultivate in a 25-square foot residential space. Medical growers often exceed those limits by cultivating with other potpatients. http://calpotnews.com/government/bal...ordovaballot/ these taxes brought to you buy prop19 and this is for everyone even prop215 people.this is why prop19 sucks there no limitations on the goverment capabilicies of every resteriction on the average joe.who the fuck want to get taxed to grow mj even if your not selling it. its bswe the people of ca. can only legalize mj once, then thats it.and prop 19 is the wores peace of legislative cap ive ever seen in my life.are people that desperate to smoke mj with government opproval.give me a fucking brake and get a life and build some fucking standers for fucks sake.</p>
Burger Boss
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Well.....with belittlement, condescending attitude, and a pathetic attack on my age; you will now withdraw?
OK, that's cool. One less clown to answer, and that works for me.
Yes, for sure I can be "one rude ol' MoFu", when presented with unbendable ignorance and/or perceived ingenuousness.
I wish I had the ability to be cool and collected like Dan, and some of the other good folks who have posted here, but alas,
the reality is I'm a "front line person who takes no prisoners". And until my "acid tongue" gets me disappeared out of here, we all live with it.
So, with that said, and prop 19 not withstanding, I sincerely wish: Good luck & good grow to ALL.......BB
BTW: NEEDY?....still waiting for "how 19 destroys 215"........you opened that can of worms, please deal with it, ty....BB
Burger Boss
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Very well put! I've just taken my meds and am in reasonably civil mode right now,.....let's chat!........BB
Prop. 19 makes it perfectly clear that the Initiative does NOT give municipalities any control over how medical marijuana patients obtain their medicine or how much they can possess and cultivate as the purpose of the legislation was to exempt the CUA and the MMP from local government reach. Whatever control municipalities have over patients and collectives is limited by the CUA and the MMP, not by Prop. 19.
Prop. 19 makes it perfectly clear that the Initiative does NOT give municipalities any control over how medical marijuana patients obtain their medicine or how much they can possess and cultivate as the purpose of the legislation was to exempt the CUA and the MMP from local government reach. Whatever control municipalities have over patients and collectives is limited by the CUA and the MMP, not by Prop. 19.
Prop. 19 makes it perfectly clear that the Initiative does NOT give municipalities any control over how medical marijuana patients obtain their medicine or how much they can possess and cultivate as the purpose of the legislation was to exempt the CUA and the MMP from local government reach. Whatever control municipalities have over patients and collectives is limited by the CUA and the MMP, not by Prop. 19.
Prop. 19 makes it perfectly clear that the Initiative does NOT give municipalities any control over how medical marijuana patients obtain their medicine or how much they can possess and cultivate as the purpose of the legislation was to exempt the CUA and the MMP from local government reach. Whatever control municipalities have over patients and collectives is limited by the CUA and the MMP, not by Prop. 19.
Prop. 19 makes it perfectly clear that the Initiative does NOT give municipalities any control over how medical marijuana patients obtain their medicine or how much they can possess and cultivate as the purpose of the legislation was to exempt the CUA and the MMP from local government reach. Whatever control municipalities have over patients and collectives is limited by the CUA and the MMP, not by Prop. 19.
Burger Boss
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LOL, Hi there Underplay, good post, very hard to miss the point, in spite of the "overplay", (pun intended), three times could be the charm! Good luck & good grow.......BB
Needofweed
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besides the name, were els in the props literature dose it say legal or legalization.It doesnt..all it take about is taxes and regulations.Becuase thats all it does. This bill was not made to leaglize mj the only reason it in the title is to get people exited.this bill is designed to sipmly charge people outrageous taxes to smoke and grow weed. WHY DO WE NEED GOVERNMET APPROVAL
Thats called legalization.
Nowhere in the bill does it state you have to pay taxes to grow or smoke your own, thats only if you want to sell it.
Burger Boss
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That would be because the "word" legal or legalization isn't in the prop. I'm obviously not a lawyer, but I believe it is the "regulations" of the thing that makes it "legal" or "illegal". I've never seen a law that "pronounced" something to be "legal". If the "regulations" in a prop state you MAY do something, then it's legal, however, if the "regulations" say you MAY NOT do something, then it's "illegal".
LOL, as I saw in another thread: "It's NOT rocket surgery".........BB
nathenking
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Very good point... It is all about the Tax and Control, they figure, since we cant control it, lets get these guys to bite on some ill written bill and make money... thats all this is...
THey cant control it guys... Its everywhere in CA, its the weed capital of USA... They havent been able to control it, so if they cant beat they join them... But for what cost...
Needofweed
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Prop. 19 makes it perfectly clear that the Initiative does NOT give municipalities any control over how medical marijuana patients obtain their medicine or how much they can possess and cultivate as the purpose of the legislation was to exempt the CUA and the MMP from local government reach. Whatever control municipalities have over patients and collectives is limited by the CUA and the MMP, not by Prop. 19.[/QUOTE]....................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................to make things clear: prop. 19 alows for the taxation of growing mj.so if you grow weed for personal or medicinal reasons you will be taxed even if you dont sell it.and yes this includes prop215 paitent.so in other words prop215 people will still be able to grow there on weed to medicate but they will have to pay a very hefty tax.BUT IT COMPLETELY TAX FREE NOW!!!!
Prop. 19 makes it perfectly clear that the Initiative does NOT give municipalities any control over how medical marijuana patients obtain their medicine or how much they can possess and cultivate as the purpose of the legislation was to exempt the CUA and the MMP from local government reach. Whatever control municipalities have over patients and collectives is limited by the CUA and the MMP, not by Prop. 19.[/QUOTE]....................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................to make things clear: prop. 19 alows for the taxation of growing mj.so if you grow weed for personal or medicinal reasons you will be taxed even if you dont sell it.and yes this includes prop215 paitent.so in other words prop215 people will still be able to grow there on weed to medicate but they will have to pay a very hefty tax.BUT IT COMPLETELY TAX FREE NOW!!!!
Burger Boss
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forget about it under, he hasn't even figured out MY post #475 above............BB
Needofweed
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It leaves it to local government and does not protect people who grow for personal or medical use against taxation............................................................................................................................................. THIS IS CALIFORNIAS MODEL CITY ON THE SUBJECT.......................................The Rancho Cordova measure would impose a $600 annual tax per square foot of indoor cultivation of 25 square feet of marijuana or less and a $900 per square foot tax if the indoor growing area is more than 25 square feet.The city tax would cost a local indoor grower $6,000 a year on 10 square feet of pot plants and $15,000 for 25 square feet. Outdoor growers, who would be billed at a lower rate, would pay a $1,200 residential tax for 25 square feet of marijuana plants.If Proposition 19 passes, it would allow California adults over 21 to cultivate in a 25-square foot residential space. Medical growers often exceed those limits by cultivating with other potpatients. ...........................................................................................................................................................................these taxes brought to you buy prop19 and this is for everyone even prop215 people.this is why prop19 sucks there no limitations on the goverment capabilicies of every resteriction on the average joe.who the fuck want to get taxed to grow mj even if your not selling it. its bswe the people of ca. can only legalize mj once, then thats it.and prop 19 is the wores peace of legislative cap ive ever seen in my life.are people that desperate to smoke mj with government opproval.give me a fucking brake and get a life and build some fucking standers for fucks sake http://calpotnews.com/government/bal...ordovaballot/</p>
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