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UpInSmoke420$24

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lmao they looked just about the same when I harvested. Not much of a difference. I mean I did take preharvest photos Ill search for em if you really want lol I feel like if I would of asked this same question and never mentioned coco, i would have alot more help. lol As soon as you mention coco and dry amendments everyone starts talking shit about mr canuck lol
 
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twentyeight.threefive said:
Yes. Everyone when told they harvested early says "oh that photo was weeks before I actually harvested". Then it turns into "I don't have any photos of when I actually harvested".
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I've seen that quite often myself. I used to take hundreds of pictures during a grow. Now I just take a few during veg and flower, and a few more at harvest. Those are the ones people want to see. Not the ones during veg and most of the way thru flower. Those are boring. The ones right before you chop are the ones you want to show off.
 
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And as for the leaves should be green until harvest, if that was the case we would not have purple, red, blue, and alll color strains lol Some strains are meant to turn colors and fade
 
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like I said, I am not trying to prove anything to anyone. I am agreeing that it is not the most efficient way. Can it be done, YES. Will you run into problems...most likely. But, it can be done with enough patience. Thats all I am saying. I was just trying to pin point the problems that way I can figure out what is not running right. That is the whole experience of growing isn't it? I want to learn everything from a micro and macro point of view. But this thread is trash lol Thank you for the ones that did atleast try to help. To the others a big middle finger LMAO peace out
 
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UpInSmoke420$24 said:
like I said, I am not trying to prove anything to anyone. I am agreeing that it is not the most efficient way. Can it be done, YES. Will you run into problems...most likely. But, it can be done with enough patience. Thats all I am saying. I was just trying to pin point the problems that way I can figure out what is not running right. That is the whole experience of growing isn't it? I want to learn everything from a micro and macro point of view. But this thread is trash lol Thank you for the ones that did atleast try to help. To the others a big middle finger LMAO peace out
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I feel like you're adding too many variables to your grow by mixing and matching what you have in your media. I'd want to get a whole bunch of experience under my belt with 'standard' grow techniques before moving on to esoteric coir/soil combos and such. So, picking 'soil' and traditional salt based nutrients, or doing a grow that's fully organic, or doing pure coco grows until you've got a really solid handle on one or more of those before trying less orthodox growing options. The fewer the variables, the more likelihood of success and/or if there are problems there's way less troubleshooting to find your problems and correct.
 
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LeastExpectedGrower said:
I feel like you're adding too many variables to your grow by mixing and matching what you have in your media. I'd want to get a whole bunch of experience under my belt with 'standard' grow techniques before moving on to esoteric coir/soil combos and such. So, picking 'soil' and traditional salt based nutrients, or doing a grow that's fully organic, or doing pure coco grows until you've got a really solid handle on one or more of those before trying less orthodox growing options. The fewer the variables, the more likelihood of success and/or if there are problems there's way less troubleshooting to find your problems and correct.
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Yes I agree with that completely. I am just thickheaded sometimes and tend to jump right into the experimental and difficult shit right away. I am usually smart enough with solving problems that occur and yes I like to prove people wrong so I might come off wrong. That is not my intentions now though. I literally just am trying to pinpoint where I went wrong,,,not only in the coco, but the living soil. And I can't say went wrong, because they are still alive and growing, and slowly getting better. But I definitely did SOMETHING wrong. In the living soil too. If I had to guess what I did wrong, is that I waited a little too long to get them out of solos, probably shouldnt of used solos in the first place. And when I up potted to a 2 gallon from the solos I believe I highly overwatered them in the beginning. Which caused root problems, which then cause deficiencies. And with a little bit of cooler temps, that probably didn't help the cause. And I believe that lockout and with the nutrients needing time to break down in the medium before they could uptake it, combined to cause slow growth/purpling stems/ drooping and all that stuff. They are actually doing alot better now that I have been watering less quantity and less frequent, and now that the nutes are starting to break down. Since I posted a few of them started shooting up, leaves praying.
 
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See, I am not a stupid person. I am very smart. SO, when someone tells me I can't do something a certain way, and I already did it that way and succeeded doing it that way, then I am going to question when someone tells me that you can't do it that way. I am going to ask questions and debate with what they are saying. If I know plenty of people that successfully grew in 77 degrees, and personally did it myself, then of course I am going to question you. People take questioning you on this site as rejected what they are trying to tell you. I am sorry, but just like me, your a face behind a computer that I know 0 about. So why should I trust that you have the right answer? Just like your not going to trust what I say, because you don't know me. So you are going to question me and expect an answer. And in that answer you can then kind of judge if the person is making sense with what they are talking about or not. So if someone asks me a question, and I give them a smart ass reply back, then me as a grower is just making myself look stupid and not providing any intelligent facts or anything on the question that was asked. If you were to answer with a logical explained answer with proven facts in it, then I would be like hey this guy knows something and then maybe I will take you serious. Its all just hostility all the time now
 
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UpInSmoke420$24 said:
See, I am not a stupid person. I am very smart. SO, when someone tells me I can't do something a certain way, and I already did it that way and succeeded doing it that way, then I am going to question when someone tells me that you can't do it that way. I am going to ask questions and debate with what they are saying. If I know plenty of people that successfully grew in 77 degrees, and personally did it myself, then of course I am going to question you. People take questioning you on this site as rejected what they are trying to tell you. I am sorry, but just like me, your a face behind a computer that I know 0 about. So why should I trust that you have the right answer? Just like your not going to trust what I say, because you don't know me. So you are going to question me and expect an answer. And in that answer you can then kind of judge if the person is making sense with what they are talking about or not. So if someone asks me a question, and I give them a smart ass reply back, then me as a grower is just making myself look stupid and not providing any intelligent facts or anything on the question that was asked. If you were to answer with a logical explained answer with proven facts in it, then I would be like hey this guy knows something and then maybe I will take you serious. Its all just hostility all the time now
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Here's a case in point... When is 77 degrees not 77 degrees? Different types of grow lights have different levels of IR. IR heat keeps leaves (and other things) warm. So 77f with a more traditional high-output bulb is different than 77f with an LED setup. Generally leaf surface temp with LED grow lights is a few degrees less than with other lights. So 77f is probably 75 or less to your plant (you won't know unless you get a IR thermometer what your leaf temp reads).

So here's how this plays out... Lower temperature can mean nutrient uptake issues, which depending on other conditions (how much nutrient is in the soil, how much you're feeding, how much the plants want to take up (that also can be based on the amount of light you're giving them), the temp of the water you're feeding with, the temperature of the root zone, etc.

That is a lot of variables. So one or more of those can be coming into play when you're seeing deficiencies. So 'best practices' would be to work to make as many variables in the sweet spot as possible. So yeah, 77 may work great in some situations, or it may not be so great, and as with complex systems multiple aspects may work together to create fun new problems to handle. Your plants right now don't care what another grower has done successfully or even what you did last time. For me changing 'daylight' temps is a matter of a fan setting...easy enough for me to adjust that up or down to remain in the upper 70's and lower 80's. Then I can work out any other issues that might be a part of things.
 
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LeastExpectedGrower said:
Here's a case in point... When is 77 degrees not 77 degrees? Different types of grow lights have different levels of IR. IR heat keeps leaves (and other things) warm. So 77f with a more traditional high-output bulb is different than 77f with an LED setup. Generally leaf surface temp with LED grow lights is a few degrees less than with other lights. So 77f is probably 75 or less to your plant (you won't know unless you get a IR thermometer what your leaf temp reads).

So here's how this plays out... Lower temperature can mean nutrient uptake issues, which depending on other conditions (how much nutrient is in the soil, how much you're feeding, how much the plants want to take up (that also can be based on the amount of light you're giving them), the temp of the water you're feeding with, the temperature of the root zone, etc.

That is a lot of variables. So one or more of those can be coming into play when you're seeing deficiencies. So 'best practices' would be to work to make as many variables in the sweet spot as possible. So yeah, 77 may work great in some situations, or it may not be so great, and as with complex systems multiple aspects may work together to create fun new problems to handle. Your plants right now don't care what another grower has done successfully or even what you did last time. For me changing 'daylight' temps is a matter of a fan setting...easy enough for me to adjust that up or down to remain in the upper 70's and lower 80's. Then I can work out any other issues that might be a part of things.
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That is exactly what I was saying in a more simple form lol If you have LEDs with no IR and your humidity tends to stay very high, then you may have white powder mildew problems, nutrient uptake problems, and your leaf surface temp may be a little too low. But if your running leds with ir or uv or anything, 77 tends to be a perfect temp. So where he was saying that 77 is too low. The actually answer is NO ITS NOT. It actually depends on your setup, lights, and humidity
 
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Yes agreed. But at the same time, I have IR in my LED's. So 77 maybe perfect for me. And my humidity stays relatively low around 40-50 with no humidifier. so over 77 would be a horrible VPD. I live in New England bro. The temps outside right now are below freezing and the humidity in my grow room tends to be 30-35 %. So for me to get my grow tent to 77 degres and atleast 50 % humidity takes a 1800 watt heater and 2 warm mist humidifiers. So for me to get it over 80 is almost impossible. Thats what I have to work with in the winter, so I make due
 
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Like I said, I did it last run in November and December with same conditions, feed, everything and came out successful. So in my mind I figure why can't I do it again? Not to say anything about a last run dare I lol I know I am only as good as my grow now so yes. I have had some issues and have figured out certain ways to finagle a good finish. I agree its not ideal, so I was looking for anwsers to maybe improve next time and try something different out. Like a good organic liquid nutrient line for coco or living soil. I was open to anything. But got shit for answers.
 
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