what are you running now ?

i broke the drip set up down.
worked from 2 in the afternoon to 4 am making mannys , running lines , playing with pumps.

my manny design is flawed.

its the only thing i can imagine isnt right.

broke everything down & will hand feed until i can duplicate the basic setup that hellraizer shows.

my rez isnt under the table.
the only difference.

however the way he does the manny & 1/4" lines is far more logical than using 1/4" to do the entire thing.

the kit should work.
but im not getting feed from bunches of lines.
using a basement 3/4" sump pump isnt even helping.

i have everything but the 1/2" , the hole punch , and those shut off h'raizer is using.

imma handfeed until i get the extra $ to pick up everything like he shows.

new drop made last night :

Drain to waste is one I've never tried. I'll be following along to see how it goes for you.

Did you ever have humidity issues with your ebb and flow system? I had three 4x4 trays going when I grew using ebb and flow tables, and 50 gallon reservoirs under each table, and I had a hell of a time keeping my RH in check. It would be 65%+ plus in the summer even with a good sized dehumidifier running 24/7.

no.

i control humidity easily.

my dehuey is pretty powerful even with 240g of rez i can keep a solid 45%.

in the summer i pump aircon from the first floor into the lab... keeps 50% humidity w/o me even trying.

winter , cause my furnace is in the lab & i put a small vent right off the blower , humidity goes down to 30%.

my first hightimes in 1988... from the back of the mag before i knew anything :

bought a 250w MH (internal ballast) which amazingly i use still today !!!!

& i bought a rockwool slab drip kit for 4 plants.
talk about ordering jitters.

way way way back. marty mcfly shit no internet. and a pager on my hip.

the 4 site drip was really easy to use.

this set up im making , 26 to 28 sites expanding over an entire basement floor , is a little more complex.

im 100% done with ebb/flow , running mapito (rockwool crutons & foam) , playing like e$ko , being like you or you or you.

i know what works in my space.
the lab dictates to me after 2 years growing in it.

clone to flower doesnt work.
these guys are all liars IMO. they lie about veg time , cuts they use , and more.

even if i only get 2 to 3 dry zips from each plant , im improving my #s over time , increasing my cost effectiveness , and reducing my general output ($ , electric , nutes, water).

i love efficiency!

2 aurora indica and 2 Blueberry just popped, they went in to soil today And my clones just got moved from the bubble cloner to pots also (one of each of the last wave to move into flower, there are 2 Arjan's haze #2, and 2 G13 kush). Big day!

nice !

love cracka-cracka.
love efficiency & save $ in the lab.

im digging in the freebie stash for 2 fems right now.

two root riots soaking.
so theys needs a fillin'.

its the only thing gonna make me feel better about my retarded manny DTW session.

those a99 (e$ko) im not cloning.
pink cheese (elite cut of sweet pink grapefruit x exodus cheese) looking 10x more banger !!!!

plans... they always move forward thanks to the old schoolest of the old school ==> a watering can

yea im about to water in about 20 minutes all by hand. shit sucks but after a few months im used to it...

Funniest shit I ever heard was Richard Simmons slapped the shit out of some guy years ago I think at an airport. The guy was calling Richard a fag or some other derogatory word and Richard showed him what the deal a meal was all about. after that I had a whole new appreciation for Simmons.

On that drippy what you tubing. I just used some flexible 1/2" tubing and a weak 160 gph pump for 10 plants in a 2x4 table. The pump could just barely cover the ten and every now and then the back two hoses would lose water pressure so I dropped to 8 sites instead of ten.

I just used stiff 1/4" tube for emitting water, no drip emitters. It might be worth a shot since the tubing is cheap. Just get the hole puncher or do what I did and use a shitty soldering iron to make holes so they do not leak. I would suggest putting two 1/4 hoses in plant, one on each side.

You might also be able to try using two pumps (one on at a time) running to two lines to get the proper flow rate going with the equipment you already have instead of buying a new pump to push it all at once. You know one pump hooked up to a line serving half your plants, and another pump and line serving the other half. Then just have one come on 10-15 minutes after the other side as been watered. Cheers.

yep ^

im gonna grab the shuts offs , 1/2 , hole punch , etc.

i need a NO LEAK set up.
& its nice to be able to shut a plant down for harvest & still rock the other sites. nice !

obviously i dont know everything. h'raizers thread shows the concept proper.

superhighwy to side streets ...i built side street only meandering over a huge area.

duh !

this is why i feel ~gud content of all type is important to the canna body politic.
a quality thread with all kinds of opinion & visuals & ideas.

not reading a bible stupid sounding utube posting like some peeps on here.
but i dont always post in that area so whatevs.

imo growers.
under the low like we are.
with the net we can share info.

this is why im here.
grow & show ...not ego.

and of course to swallow all your fem beans nom.

people like skuckdOc , i mean skunkcock , got it all wrong.

i jerk it for a variety of reasons.

spit.

spank
spank
spank.

between the notsoesoteric & h'raizer got my new plan all ready.
two pump idea. & i got mad pumps & ghetto timers around ! nice !

sentinel for who huh what... thats why god , jesus og , and mr hanky the xmas poo gave u a finger.

turn on turn off. LOL
whudda u mean work late , sir , i gotta go home & turn on the grow lights. shesh !

just gonna wait to justify the expense cause i need to make a kelp4less order.

got all the pumps , 1/4 , etc... just need the 1/2 & shut offs and the hole punch tool.

clean installs only bieotches!
purple swag all the way in my lab.

& right now, a water can from a 2 liter gatoraide bottle be cheap yo !

=> cracka crack : holy grail kush : splishin & a splashin in the shot glassin

heres that discount tent set up i was talkin about, finally got her all tuned in.



Gotta go get a table still. gonna get one of those new outside diameter ones. extra wide goodness!

once i get the table il install some drippers, until then, I'm with gud watering like an ole lady.

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until then, I'm with gud watering like an ole lady.

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gatoraide @ the corner store baby!

se habla espanol.

& mi boca del algodon se fue.

was thinking of flushing my plants with gatoraide awhle back lol lil bit of sugars n salts sounds perfect

use brawndo!!!

ITS GOT WHAT PLANTS CRAVE!

jilly bean starting to sprout

Gud, claiming clones to flower don't work? what? Weren't you pulling a zip off each plant??? (with 0 veg, the best I've gotten in my first year of growing was 17g dry, meh...)

My setup being based off yours and esko's, I went with ebb/flow.

My findings? There is a high amount of salt accumulation (in coco and in rockwool croutons, dont have hydroton to test) in the upper portion of the pots. You'll notice roots tend to not grow until about 1/2 way down the pot. I looked up a bunch of horticultural journals (thank god for the free ones!) and they all seem to suggest the same con with E/F: salt accumulation in the upper portion of the pots which requires you to either use bigger pots or flushing. The main benefit of E/F, at least as outlined by horticultural journals, is the reduction in water usage as the water is "recycled". The form of management suggested? Water them from the top every now and then to push the salts back down.

The accumulation occurs due to the water content of the media evaporating along the top surface (where it interacts with the air in the growarea). I would think covering it with a barrier would help but I don't feel like experimenting as the problem is simply inherent to E/F (feeding from below always).

Anyways, I was messing around with a makeshift drip system (almost a lot like what Hellraiser had, tube through the cap and everything because the cheap p.o.s. botanicare fitting broke) around May but ended up shutting it down for the summer heat. I plan on experimenting with drip again for the first flowering wave come 2-3 weeks. I'm going to try giving rooted clones 2-3 weeks to grow/spread their roots then flower. I'm guessing I'll need 6-10" clones. From what I've seen in pictures of rootballs from drip systems, I should expect the rootball to take up the entire pot (not just the bottom half), and as a result healthier (therefore better) plants.

never zero veg.
but was using dwc to get developed root systems.
a 12" clone last year was like BIG to me.
wo nelly , slow down a tad.

now. fuck that. gimme a plant. stem. or stalk? developed mature looking bush.

clones... you need bunches of them ...you never take 5 to drop 5 you take 10 to drop 5 ...plus, you truly cant run SOG with all these strains like i do.

known. unknown.

u need to be production minded.
& i look at guys like ~gu & think they got it figured out a little different.

funny to me, hellraizer & i doing the same thing (he better than me) never even talking about it.

evolution.
convenience.
results.

zip. not quite.
close though many many times.
my best is .8 gpw on a consistent basis over the winter.
im not claiming SOG dont work , it does, just not the way its portrayed.

the 2 week machine breaks easy.

its a ratios thing , its a nature thing , its a cost effective thing.

nothing grows like a seed.
clones dont develop a "mature" root system as fast as a seed.

& now , clones i veg till they're plants. these drops just look better to me.

we'll see.

drip is logical extension of my lab space , equipment , and evolution.

less rez.
way less.

i added the coco component to mapito cause mapito never works for me in the summer EVEN using air con.

fuck that.
coco always works for me.

mix the two together (reuse it too) and i get more grow power from a container than ever before.

reliable too.

to be able to make a fresh rez & use it all via the drip is nice too.
make a tea, easy. flush , easy , add drip clean or clear-ex , easy.

hand feed boosters, easy.

so much less drama than keeping 5 different rezzies like i was.

Just popped some Goji OG in paper towels. Check my Nursery out in the next couple days for pics.

gud, where you get that girls scout cookie at?!