What can Canada learn from U.S., Uruguay about selling marijuana?

VIANARCHRIS

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Colorado, Uruguay allow people to grow their own, while Washington state forbids it
As the federal Liberals map out their plan for legalizing marijuana, they can look at how — and how successfully — a handful other jurisdictions have overturned the prohibition of pot.

In 2012, Colorado and Washington became the first U.S. states to legalize marijuana. Within two years, each state set up a framework governing how retailers could start selling.

But although the two states have much in common, they have different takes on key questions that Canada will have to consider, like whether residents will be able to grow their own plants as they can in Colorado, or whether laws should put limits on non-residents who buy marijuana here, like in Colorado — or leave the market open as Washington does.

To get a better idea of Canada's options, here's a look at how legalization has happened elsewhere.

Pot cookies in Colorado
Colorado became the first place in North America to sell legalized marijuana in January 2014. The state already had 493 medical marijuana dispensaries by that point, and it gave them first opportunity to sell to the public.

By the end of the year, the competition increased more than fourfold: 833 commercial sellers had sprouted up and 1,416 medical retailers were in the market, according to the state's 2014 Marijuana Enforcement Division annual report.

Residents could also grow their own marijuana, but no more than five plants at a time. Those crops have to be kept in a locked room, according to Colorado state law.

But that didn't keep the fledgling industry from moving plenty of product — with medical firms selling nearly 50,000 kilograms worth of dried flowers in 2014, roughly three times more than recreational sellers, state records show.

Cookies were another story.

Coloradans devoured more than 2.85 million pot cookies, brownies and other edibles in 2014 sold from commercial stores, outpacing medicinal treats by 890,000 sales, the annual report found.


In Colorado, residents can grow their own marijuana, but no more than five plants, according to state law. (Associated Press)

This new hunger soon revealed a problem.

Although regulations set a maximum dose for edible products, they did not take into account how that could be distributed in a serving size, a 2015 report from the Canadian Centre for Substance Abuse says.

"For example, a single brownie could contain up to 10 doses."

After news media reported several overdoses, Colorado amended its regulations so that there could only be one "dose" per serving, the CCSA report says.

Cash only in U.S.
Marijuana cannot, however, be sold everywhere in Colorado; municipalities can prohibit both medical and commercial cannabis licences.

Of the state's 331 jurisdictions, 228 ban both types of marijuana sale, according to Colorado's state Department of Revenue, which oversees enforcement.

Washington also experienced some growing pains when it allowed marijuana into the market in July 2014. Because the state didn't have the same network of medical dispensaries as Colorado, it found itself overwhelmed by demand, the CCSA report found.

The problem may have been compounded by the fact that Washington forbids residents from growing their own plants, products of which CCSA senior policy analyst Rebecca Jesseman said found themselves ending up on the "black or grey markets" in Colorado.

But both states have a lot of policies in common: they only allow adults to buy marijuana, they have restrictions on drugs and driving, and they limit personal possession to 28 grams.






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And both are facing the same obstacle with the federal government.

The U.S. Federal Reserve will not allow banking transactions connected to marijuana production.

"This situation also prevents normal banking operations, resulting in a primarily cash-based industry with corresponding safety and administrative issues," the CCSA February 2015 report says.

Turning a blind eye in the Netherlands
Contrary to the traveller's legend, cannabis is actually illegal in the Netherlands. The country adopted a so-called "toleration policy," which essentially means that prosecutors and police will turn a blind eye to coffee shops that sell small amounts — up to five grams — to people older than 18.

You cannot grow or sell your own marijuana in the European country. Someone caught growing five or fewer plants would likely just have them seized by police, according to the tolerance rule, but larger crops are still supposed to result in criminal charges.

Coffee shops are also supposed to ask patrons for identification, under stricter rules passed in 2013, according to the Dutch laws. But municipalities are responsible for enforce those, and Jesseman said that they rarely do.

Uruguay legalizes pot, but slowly
In 2013, Uruguay became the first country to approve the selling of legalized marijuana, with the decision becoming law the next year.

Residents can grow their own plants or join marijuana co-operatives, The Guardian reported. But despite the public interest in the issue, it's taken the country more than two years to set up a regulatory framework to begin selling through storefronts, the newspaper reported.

Fox News Latino reported this month that the two government-approved producers should harvest their first crop in the spring and have it ready for sale by mid-year.
 

phil k

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you need to get on and watch the vice episode white collar weed... seriously you wanna see what happens with marijuana legalization on the business end.. that episode had a lot of great reporting in it.. it will make your mind turn..
 

phil k

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as for the basic legalization end for people i truly think theres a lot that needs to be put into place and thought out which I'm sure the head guys leading the campaign are doing as they move to new states.

the down side to a lot of this is monopolys are being put into place with a lot of this legalization. although theres large revenues a lot of its going to the well funded companies that are able to move from state to state and setup multi million dollar operations.
 

phil k

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I'm for legalization but done right..look at ohio as one bad setup.. they were basically giving the rights to a small set of people to grow and profit off the whole state... now thats just insane ..

and i wish there was a way to get the legalization in place and keep all the small mom and pop growers that started this whole revolution and took the blunt of legal problems, at the top of the movement.
 

CalyxCrusher

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I'm for legalization but done right..look at ohio as one bad setup.. they were basically giving the rights to a small set of people to grow and profit off the whole state... now thats just insane ..

and i wish there was a way to get the legalization in place and keep all the small mom and pop growers that started this whole revolution and took the blunt of legal problems, at the top of the movement.

Sounds like a mirror of the program we just abolished. I remember reading about that. Is that where they were only to allow 10 corporate businesses to grow? Rich dudes and Jessica Simpsons ex husband being the pre selected few
 

phil k

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Sounds like a mirror of the program we just abolished. I remember reading about that. Is that where they were only to allow 10 corporate businesses to grow? Rich dudes and Jessica Simpsons ex husband being the pre selected few
i wanna say it was only 6 but either way it was a stupid low number basically it was one square plot of land in ohio that was going to be designated to grow on the land was pre purchased by (yes nick L.) and a bunch of others. that area was the only area that was going to be legally allowed to contain plants. so yeah it was super shady and the worst part few knew about the whole back story.
 

phil k

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but its happening now theres guys that are solely extremely good with business and shit that are starting multi million dollar operations that don't or never used cannabis nor probably ever would but they are all about the business end. Unfortunately we are such a consumer society no one cares about anything other than cost. they will take their buds chemically grown and for 10$ less gram knowing its grown by a super company before they will buy the 20$ a gram true organic grown by the mom and pop operations..
 

phil k

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don't get me wrong its hard on budgets and everything else to support a 20$ a gram buy but theres a lot that goes into that bit of excess people don't get or see sometimes and with full legalization just think about the mass operations that will occur to get the cheapest product that still satisfies.

Ive been told recently that a very large amount of local dispensaries in the area are no longer buying from a lot of the smaller caregivers here locally...mostly cause other bigger guys are coming into play now killing it price wise and its hard for a smaller operation to even come close to competing.
 

cannadan

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I think as Canadians we should be able to look at these examples of legalization....take from them...anything that actually makes sense ...discard what does not....
We should be able to come up with our own representation of a legal cannabis model..one that consider both the recreational aspect and the medical one....
The majority of taxes collected I believe should be put towards doing the actual studies that everyone seems to elude to in the medical community.....in other words.....here's the cash...do the studies.....all of them....and even more....
Canada should try set up an example......that makes us a leader.... for both mmj and recmj
 

VIANARCHRIS

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"everyone has a better system than Canada"...sounds like someone has an inside scoop on what legalization will look like. Maybe she should fill Blair in.
Making a statement about how an as-yet non-existent system is inferior to others is moronic. Even prohibition punishments in Canada was a joke compared to other countries....legalization nationally will put us equal with only a handful of other countries. I'd say that makes us better than most...
Are The Marijuana Laws Harsh Where You Live?
By Sean Z

This is the nightmare situation. You’re taking a holiday in a country you’ve never visited before. In a bar, you get chatting to a few locals, and one of them candidly offers you some weed. Stoked at the opportunity to get high in a foreign country, you nod enthusiastically, find a safe spot and light up. As you make your way through the joint, enshrouded in a haze of giggles and contentment, you hear an iron voice from behind you, “Police! You’re coming with us.” You’re bombarded with stern voices speaking in foreign tongues about the threat of some extensive jail time, all for a little bit of marijuana.

We may bemoan the lumbering progress of the compelling and irrefutable argument for cannabis legalization in our own country, but we’re really pretty lucky. Some countries across the world have implausibly draconian laws, with places like Saudi Arabia and Malaysia executing people for trafficking in large amounts. Most of us aren’t interested in importing drugs into countries with monstrous laws, but we might fancy a joint if we’re on holiday somewhere. This article runs through some countries you might want to avoid if you’re off on a marijuana world tour or are looking to move permanently.

Japan
The Japanese public generally sees drug use as an admission of deep seated evil. The public get up in arms over people being caught with marijuana, so you are unlikely to be treated with any sympathy. Under the Cannabis Control Law in Japan, being caught with even a single joint can get you a five year prison sentence with some hard labor thrown in for good measure. They’ll be a little more lenient if it’s your first time, but you’ll still get around a six month sentence. Foreigners aren’t likely to be jailed, but will be deported from the country with no hope of ever going back.

Philippines
In the Philippines, you don’t get much leeway either. The first time you’re caught smoking a joint you can be sent to rehab for at least six months. If you are persistent enough to try again, the next time could land you in jail for between six and twelve years. If you get caught growing weed, you’re looking at anything from life imprisonment to the death penalty. The Philippine Dangerous Drugs Act will make your life a living hell. One man was jailed for 15 years after being caught with two “sticks” (assumedly meaning joints) of marijuana.

Malaysia
Another country you would do well to avoid is Malaysia. Possession of cannabis can land you in jail for up to five years (Section 6), and carries a fine of up to 20,000 ringgit (around $6,500). If you are found with over 50 grams, the sentence is at least five years, plus a possible lashing of at least ten strikes (Section 39a). Planting a cannabis seed can get you life in prison plus at least six lashings (Section 6b). In 2010, a man was jailed for a total of eight years for being found with just less than 58 grams of cannabis. One charge was only based on 12.65 grams (less than a half ounce) and carried a sentence of two years. The worst case scenario, getting caught dealing a lot of cannabis, can lead to the death sentence.

Indonesia
If you’re journeying across Southeast Asia and fancy a stop in Bali, marijuana should definitely be off the menu. Getting caught with a single joint in Indonesia can lead to a jail sentence of up to four years. If you accidently or purposefully import any cannabis, you can be put in prison for between five and 15 years. One famous case involved an Australian named Schapelle Corby, who ended up with 20 years in jail, skipping off on a possible sentence of death by firing squad. This is probably the only time 20 years in an Indonesian jail could be considered “lucky.”

United Arab Emirates
Possibly the most extreme laws come in the United Arab Emirates. Getting caught in Dubai with even the tiniest trace of cannabis can get you a minimum mandatory sentence of four years. In some extreme circumstances, if you’re caught with any in your blood or urine, this can be considered “possession.” It’s worth noting that these absurd laws even extend to things like poppy seeds (the kind you might be covered in if you eat seeded bread on your flight). One man has been jailed for four years because he was found at the airport with a cigarette trodden into his shoe. Inside, the authorities found 0.003 grams of cannabis, and that was enough. Unless he’d come up with a bizarre way to carry his last, tiny joint, it’s safe to assume this wasn’t even his. In the UAE, it clearly doesn’t matter.

Unless you want to end up in some dingy, mortifying prison for an extended sentence, don’t smoke marijuana in these countries. That one joint you’re being offered in a dingy bar can cost you several years of relatively safe smoking time at home. For once, the best advice is to just say no. However, the real tragedy is for the natives: they never even have a chance to enjoy marijuana without taking an extreme risk. The next time you smoke a joint, toast to the people of Indonesia, Japan, the Philippines, Malaysia and the United Arab Emirates, and hope that one day their absurd marijuana laws are repealed.
 
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