What is going on with this?

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desplegado

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Mumbeltypeg said:
The stems aren’t an issue.. you could hang a wet towel in there to bump humidity on the cheap.. it’s one of your important fundamental parameters and that thing is pulling more nutes than it needs too, hence the slightly darker green leaves and beginnings of tip burn.. but all in all I’d say they look good for a 100w light. :eyesmoke:
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My guess is the dark green is most likely bc soil ph is going to an 8 and half over nuted
The only thing I'm worried ab is it looks well behind compared to my others but there basically having the same issue
 
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Mumbeltypeg

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desplegado said:
My guess is the dark green is most likely bc soil ph is going to an 8 and half over nuted
The only thing I'm worried ab is it looks well behind compared to my others but there basically having the same issue
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red stems
desplegado said:
My guess is the dark green is most likely bc soil ph is going to an 8 and half over nuted
The only thing I'm worried ab is it looks well behind compared to my others but there basically having the same issue
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Red Stems-zero fucks
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Mumbeltypeg

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desplegado said:
I read if it was purple 0 fucks given and red is an underlying issue?
But alr imma just worry about the soil ph problem then
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Yep.. and at risk of sounding like a broken record..increasing humidity will bring your ph down a bit.
Your cardinal parameters are light, temp, humidity, EC and Ph.. get them ALL in check

excerpt;
“In warm, humid environments, soil pH decreases over time in a process called soil acidification. In dry climates, however, soil weathering and leaching are less intense and pH can be neutral or alkaline.”
 
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desplegado

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Mumbeltypeg said:
Yep.. and at risk of sounding like a broken record..increasing humidity will bring your ph down a bit.
Your cardinal parameters are light, temp, humidity, EC and Ph.. get them ALL in check

excerpt;
“In warm, humid environments, soil pH decreases over time in a process called soil acidification. In dry climates, however, soil weathering and leaching are less intense and pH can be neutral or alkaline.”
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Ok but if rh contributed to it wouldn't my other 2 plants change since there controlled with a rh of 50-55 and the runoff ph is still the same for all 3????
I'm sorry I'm just a little confused this is my first time growing
Ok and is 74-78 temp a good temp?
I'm gonna increase humidity when light turn on
 
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Mumbeltypeg

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desplegado said:
Ok but if rh contributed to it wouldn't my other 2 plants change since there controlled with a rh of 50-55 and the runoff ph is still the same for all 3????
I'm sorry I'm just a little confused this is my first time growing
Ok and is 74-78 temp a good temp?
I'm gonna increase humidity when light turn on
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That’s a good point.. maybe bong chongers peat moss advice is a safe option. 78-80 is fine if you can manage it, but make sure the lights off temps are stable too, cold nights not only stunt but will invite mould later in flower.
 
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desplegado

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Mumbeltypeg said:
That’s a good point.. maybe bong chongers peat moss advice is a safe option. 78-80 is fine if you can manage it, but make sure the lights off temps are stable too, cold nights not only stunt but will invite mould later in flower.
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Yea I'm confused I just bought peat moss so I'll try it when I water next but I do everything the same and the other 2 are doing way better have fatter buds and not as much red stems prob like 2 or 3 a plant for the other 2
 
Fatjoe

Fatjoe

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Have ya considered N toxicity?

Dark green leaf which can look blackish sometimes. New growth comes in very light green. Hit burnt tips. Hooking under of leaf on the new growth isn't far behind.

I'm not sure how much N you throw at them but itooks like they've had enough. I'd back off on the N a little.
 
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desplegado

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Fatjoe said:
Have ya considered N toxicity?

Dark green leaf which can look blackish sometimes. New growth comes in very light green. Hit burnt tips. Hooking under of leaf on the new growth isn't far behind.

I'm not sure how much N you throw at them but itooks like they've had enough. I'd back off on the N a little.
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Yea but seems a little off tbh and hard when my nutes basically have n in all em atleast the 3 main
 
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Fatjoe

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desplegado said:
Yea but seems a little off tbh and hard when my nutes basically have n in all em atleast the 3 main
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Backing off just a little wouldnt hurt. Just a little for one watering. I run mine near N tox the whole grow. I've overdone it before and I'm saying your close but if ya just stay the course you'll be good.

That leaf your pointing out is a good example of N tox. If left unchecked it can lock out your plant. Bad things happen then..
 
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desplegado

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Fatjoe said:
Backing off just a little wouldnt hurt. Just a little for one watering. I run mine near N tox the whole grow. I've overdone it before and I'm saying your close but if ya just stay the course you'll be good.

That leaf your pointing out is a good example of N tox. If left unchecked it can lock out your plant. Bad things happen then..
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Ngl not to sound rude but if u read the whole forum I'm also having problems with soil ph being close to 8 so it prob contributing I bought peatmoss to top dress today or tomorrow when I water to hopefully lower it and do I just feed it water 1 more time? Then back to nutesl,water,nute,water?
 
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desplegado said:
Ngl not to sound rude but if u read the whole forum I'm also having problems with soil ph being close to 8 so it prob contributing I bought peatmoss to top dress today or tomorrow when I water to hopefully lower it and do I just feed it water 1 more time? Then back to nutesl,water,nute,water?
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A plain watering is not a bad idea. You'll ph it of course since ya think ya have a problem there. The plant looks good overall.
I don't check ph or meter things. The promix buffers my nutrients so that's usually not an issue. Good luck to ya.
 
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desplegado

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Fatjoe said:
A plain watering is not a bad idea. You'll ph it of course since ya think ya have a problem there. The plant looks good overall.
I don't check ph or meter things. The promix buffers my nutrients so that's usually not an issue. Good luck to ya.
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I think that's what's this is supposed to do but I'm being told it's organic and wtv I'm doing or sum is raising ph or wtv (its stopped now) all ik is it's staying between 7 and 8 and I kinda need it to 6.5 and 7 so it doesn't lockout any nutes or wtv bc now im on the verge of a copper and zinc deficiency bc of ph or sun I forgot
But when I tested runoff ph on the 15th of last month they were between 7.4 and 7.7
 
Fatjoe

Fatjoe

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Just go with what you feel is right. Try not to over complicate things. I know it's frustrating.

Copper and zinc ya say? That's a rarity. Might wanna rethink that. I'll say it's a npk problem and back out of this. I don't want to confuse you in any way. I hope ya find the numbers ya seek.
 
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desplegado

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Fatjoe said:
Just go with what you feel is right. Try not to over complicate things. I know it's frustrating.

Copper and zinc ya say? That's a rarity. Might wanna rethink that. I'll say it's a npk problem and back out of this. I don't want to confuse you in any way. I hope ya find the numbers ya seek.
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Prob I'm just going off a ph chart and the first thing that drop is copper&zinc or Iron idk js looking tbh idk shit
 
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BongerChonger

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desplegado said:
I think that's what's this is supposed to do but I'm being told it's organic
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Hardly organic using Advanced 3-part + additives, just saying.
desplegado said:
all ik is it's staying between 7 and 8 and I kinda need it to 6.5 and 7 so it doesn't lockout any nutes
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That's not necessarily true. Plants will thrive up to 7.5 and 8 isn't that far out of range. You can deal with it and looks as if the plants have been. Looks good overall. I'd worry more about input pH whilst using nutes.
desplegado said:
But when I tested runoff ph on the 15th of last month they were between 7.4 and 7.7
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Tbh runoff in soil isn't an accurate pH measurement. The water has it's own pH value and picks up whatever particulates and dissolved solids on the way through. It's not a true representation. Actual soil pH might be different. Most of those soil probes aren't very reliable either.
Most accurate imo is via soil test kit using a soil sample.
desplegado said:
Prob I'm just going off a ph chart and the first thing that drop is copper&zinc or Iron idk js looking tbh idk shit
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Imo, you've just gone a little bit over with the nutes. Looks healthy overall. I personally can't see any symptoms that immediately point to pH lockout. I see too much nitrogen.
@ half nutes why?
Dunno, but you should have a better idea once you get your EC meter.
It could be simple as getting more runoff when you feed.
desplegado said:
tbh idk shit
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You've come this far and they look good, honestly, good job.
But best you can do is just chill.
One plain watering won't hurt in the meantime on next watering, if you haven't already.
I'd then carry on @ half strength nutes, exactly as you have been and test the runoff EC once your meter arrives.
Nitrogen is easily leached away for the most part, and is usually the first deficiency to show in a healthy garden.
So, I'd start by getting more runoff when you feed.
Might be simple as that, bit of buildup.
desplegado said:
Appreciate the help I have a ec and ppm meter otw but I think it's gonna be late js left LA and was supposed to be here tomorrow
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No worries, I'll refrain from commenting for a while, think I've said all I need to for now.
Good luck.
 
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