what is your honest gram per watt ? no bull shit . honest answers only.please.

racerboy71 said:

i agree, grams per watt is a horrible way to judge yield.. so say someone grew three trees, got a pound from 3 plants, but he also vegged them for 3 months, on top of 2.5 months of flowering..
another person takes 30 clones, no veg time, or say a weeks veg, then flowers for 60 days.. he also got a pound from 30 plants.. obviously the guy with the shorter veg time had better results as less electricity and nutes and and and were used to get the same pound it took the other guy 5.5 months to get..

and personally, i'd rather have small amounts of killer smoke, then pounds and pounds of big bud..
my $.02

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That all depends on what you want it for

racerboy71 said:

i agree, grams per watt is a horrible way to judge yield.. so say someone grew three trees, got a pound from 3 plants, but he also vegged them for 3 months, on top of 2.5 months of flowering..
another person takes 30 clones, no veg time, or say a weeks veg, then flowers for 60 days.. he also got a pound from 30 plants.. obviously the guy with the shorter veg time had better results as less electricity and nutes and and and were used to get the same pound it took the other guy 5.5 months to get..

and personally, i'd rather have small amounts of killer smoke, then pounds and pounds of big bud..
my $.02

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Sounds like you comparing grams per year and not grams per harvest.

I look at it like this.... I have 600 watts of light in flower. I have 5 or 6 plants in flower all the time perpetually. So.... if I wanted a gram a watt that should be about 100 grams a plant. I get about .75

Alienwidow said:

Sounds like you comparing grams per year and not grams per harvest.

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that's exactly my point as to why gpw is a bad way to determine yield..
like i said, if someone grows bigger plants with longer veg time, an someone else grew bunches of clones sog, and they both yielded the same, but one took 3 months longer to get the same gpw number, who really had a better grow? hence why gpw is a horrible yard stick imvho.

homebrewer said:

All things being equal, yield is LARGELY strain dependent. Often times, and I mean almost ALL THE TIME, the best yielding strains just aren't that good.

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So true.. Isn't that a bitch?

Dr Greenthumb Bubba OG, to me, it looked like the best of both worlds. Of course, the best plant in the pack was one of the smallest yielding of the pack. But, the yielding plants are great too.

I'm more of a sativa guy, but, it came the closest to breaking the rule

racerboy71 said:

i agree, grams per watt is a horrible way to judge yield.. so say someone grew three trees, got a pound from 3 plants, but he also vegged them for 3 months, on top of 2.5 months of flowering..
another person takes 30 clones, no veg time, or say a weeks veg, then flowers for 60 days.. he also got a pound from 30 plants.. obviously the guy with the shorter veg time had better results as less electricity and nutes and and and were used to get the same pound it took the other guy 5.5 months to get..

and personally, i'd rather have small amounts of killer smoke, then pounds and pounds of big bud..
my $.02

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i do not think its important unless the grow is commercial and folk are trying to maximize everything sog will always win
if you have the floor space and room to keep a few mothers and take constant cuttings its more work but it pays for itself in extra harvests
sog can do 6-7 per year

i would rather use a little bit more light and get a few more oz than have a better GPW it is worth it overall since electricity is much cheaper than weed
i do not have a large space to grow in so i try to make use of the vertical height i have growing fewer larger plants suits me its less complicated lol

peace

racerboy71 said:

that's exactly my point as to why gpw is a bad way to determine yield..
like i said, if someone grows bigger plants with longer veg time, an someone else grew bunches of clones sog, and they both yielded the same, but one took 3 months longer to get the same gpw number, who really had a better grow? hence why gpw is a horrible yard stick imvho.

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There are no apples to apples in this hobby.. that's for sure.

Grams/watt including cooling veg lighting, pumps etc?

skunkd0c said:

i do not think its important unless the grow is commercial and folk are trying to maximize everything sog will always win
if you have the floor space and room to keep a few mothers and take constant cuttings its more work but it pays for itself in extra harvests
sog can do 6-7 per year

i would rather use a little bit more light and get a few more oz than have a better GPW it is worth it overall since electricity is much cheaper than weed
i do not have a large space to grow in so i try to make use of the vertical height i have growing fewer larger plants suits me its less complicated lol

peace

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i agree with you skunk, and you brought up another reason why i'm against the gpw thing..

like you said, if you go sog you can run probably 2 or 3 x's the number of harvests as someone growing trees with long veg times.. ok, so maybe the guy with 4 tress under a lk got a pound, but the person running 40 clones might have gotten a half pound, but he also got a half pound 3 times more then the person with the bigger plants..

i'm beating my point to death now, i get it, lol..

nittygrittydirt said:

Grams/watt including cooling veg lighting, pumps etc?

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Nah, lights only. Totally lame though. Impossible to compare apples to apples with most peoples interpretations of gpw.

I've used it before with a friend that shared the same mother plants as myself and roughly grew in the same style, plant count, etc..
Any other bits of info that changed what the actual efficiency was would be brought up in the same discussion. Especially because the discussion was about finding the "best" way to grow in the first place. Lots of pieces are being discussed. Quick veg times were the focus for a while.. then it switched to long veg. Moved around..

It's really just saying how many oz you got under your lights. It's such a simple and dumb'd down way to state your yield relating to the light you used that it is both full of flaws AND hard to NOT use at some point.

Putting a name and abbreviation to it is really giving it too much credit.

If I say "I got a LB from my 600" then it is ok.. if i say "I got .75gpw from my 600" then it's a totally different conversation. It's the same thing, but it's not.. because of this argument, mostly.

Unless you have an 8 part nutrient lineup and buy every clone you grow then elec is prbly your largest expense. That said.. It seems reasonable to call it the "unit" of efficiency. Kwh I suppose..

In that case... grams per kwh... prbly a good number to know if you are trying to actually rate your efficiency.
If you are trying to state what your yield was relating to your flowering wattage and nothing more, then gpw is your game.
For rating efficiency, either fill in the missing info or use another way to state your yield.

TexasHank said:

I've used it before with a friend that shared the same mother plants as myself and roughly grew in the same style, plant count, etc..
Any other bits of info that changed what the actual efficiency was would be brought up in the same discussion. Especially because the discussion was about finding the "best" way to grow in the first place. Lots of pieces are being discussed. Quick veg times were the focus for a while.. then it switched to long veg. Moved around..

It's really just saying how many oz you got under your lights. It's such a simple and dumb'd down way to explain your yield (relating to your light used) that it is both full of flaws AND hard to NOT use at some point.

Putting a name and abbreviation to it is really giving it too much credit.

If I say "I got a LB from my 600" then it is ok.. if i say "I got .74gpw" from my 600 then it's a totally different conversation. It's the same thing, but it's not.. because of this argument, mostly.

Elec is the largest expensive for most cost conscious growers.
It seems reasonable to call it the "unit" of efficiency. Kwh I suppose..

In that case... grams per kwh... prbly a good number to know if you are trying to be really efficient. I've never figured it up, but, i know gpw by 12 thru 22 oz per 600. It's quick stupid math..

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spot on.. i think gpkw is a much better scale then gpw, but it takes too much effort and doesn't look nearly as impressive as saying i'm pulling 1gpw imo, which is why no one uses it..

getting a high GPW is easy with skunk strains CM bigbud etc commercial grows they yield very heavy and fast
they have an open shape and do not need so much light since the colas are not so tight anyway

2000w 2x 1000w in a 10x10 was standard many years ago when lights were much more expensive
this will just about cover the space if they are mounted high 3ft above the plants
its easy to yield way over 2kg in this space
very high GPW scores just by increasing plant numbers and space
more plants will produce more bud in more space than less plants in less space with the same amount of light
the quality will suffer but GPW does not account for quality

growing your fav pheno or cutting that only makes little crystal covered nugs will not yield like these skunk strains
genetics plays such a huge role

peace

skunkd0c said:

getting a high GPW is easy with skunk strains CM bigbud etc commercial grows they yield very heavy and fast
they have an open shape and do not need so much light since the colas are not so tight anyway

2000w 2x 1000w in a 10x10 was standard many years ago when lights were much more expensive
this will just about cover the space if they are mounted high 3ft above the plants
its easy to yield way over 2kg in this space
very high GPW scores just by increasing plant numbers and space
more plants will produce more bud in more space than less plants in less space with the same amount of light
the quality will suffer but GPW does not account for quality

growing your fav pheno or cutting that only makes little crystal covered nugs will not yield like these skunk strains
genetics plays such a huge role

peace

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so true.. i grew cali con's bubba kush, and it was a horrible yielder.. i might have gotten around a zip off one plant under a 250 at the time i think it was.. was amaznig smoke, but the yield was super crap... i only grow for myself, so i'm not all that concerned with huge yields, so long as the end result is bomb, i can usually live with smaller yields..

someone said it earlier i think in this thread, must of the bigger yielding strains aren't known for potency, like say big bud, or pretty much any of it's crosses.. personally, being i don't sell and grow for my head, i'm happy with the oz bubba kush plants over having a pound of big bud that i need to smoke an 8th of just to get a buzz..

It's all about the genetics.
I loved growing skunk. Big plants, little effort.

I know I sound like a fanboy, but, Dr GT's Bubba OG. That plant breaks the quality/quantity rule like no other.
One plant in the pack did .75 gpw with 3-4 wks veg under T8s. 8-9wks of flower.
Nothing insane, but, at that quality those are great numbers.

I passed a few cuts on but I don't have it anymore. I highly recommend though.

TexasHank said:

I know I sound like a fanboy, but, Dr GT's Bubba OG. That plant breaks the quality/quantity rule like no other.
One plant is doing.75 gpw with 3-4 wks veg under T8s. 8-9wks of flower.
Nothing insane, but, at that quality those are great numbers.

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did texas hank recently have a name change? i'm not asking what it was, just asking..

racerboy71 said:

did texas hank recently have a name change? i'm not asking what it was, just asking..

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Yeah. I don't grow anymore, so, it seemed fitting to let HH go. Onto other things.

Obviously, still obsessed with MJ though. haha. nothing really changes.

I've got personal stash for months to come. I don't know yet what I am gonna do when I run out.. Prbly throw a seed on a trail somewhere.

My girl wanted the master bedroom back.. The extra space is pretty nice. 2 tall people in a queen size bed was sorta tight. Im sleeping in what was the grow room now with room to sprawl.

lol i hate that bubba grows slow but its my fav of all the ogs i'm not keen on the lemon pine thing
the hashy chocolate coffee bubba thing is unbeatable imo i like those flavours

to truly test efficiency if that's what folk care about
they would need to account for all energy used in KWH for all stages of growth
also measure space in cubic meters not square breeders quote in m2 it should be m3

if you are in a space that has 9-10ft ceilings you could make good use of this space
measuring yield this way would penalize sog growers a little but they can always stack the grows for multi level multi story growing

grams/kwh/time/cubic space

over the course of 1 year different growers all grow the same clone using sog lst larger plants etc leds hps cfls hydro soil
so many variables even if they all grew the same clone gpw is so basic it gives no real idea of anything

folk don't need gpw or anything to judge how successful they are
if you are happy with your results you are successful
it does not worry me
i have 2x600 watt lights on 2 plants at the moment thats not very efficient but im happy with it lol

peace

^ word..

hours of labor are right up there with kwh for me. I've gotten lazy as fuck over the last few years..