What pisses you off about what is going on?

A private company has every right to offer pensions. The government does not have this right, as the money they are offering is tax money, thus it's not their right in providing such ridiculous compensations.

A 401k in a private company is not an entitlement, it's just a company incentive/benefit.

A 401k that is offered on behalf of the government, is an entitlement to some degree, but can also be viewed as a form of reasonable, additional salary. Typically 401ks are capped out in regards to what they will match from the employees deposits, so it's not as bad as it could be, were these caps non-existent. Over-all I do not agree with government-employee 401k's, but I'm not entirely opposed to them if their salary is low to begin with. Salaries are of course discretionary though.

A government pension is not comparable to that of a 401k, because the equivalent salary from a pension program would equate to absolutely absurd salaries, if you were to eliminate government-pensions, and factor that pension into the salaries the workers earned throughout their career. An 80k government job, would all the sudden be more like a 150K+ government job. Some government employees receive 150% pensions, which if they are retired for longer than they work, it basically 2.5X's their salary. That's the government and their employees lining their pockets for ya... all through bogus entitlement programs.

Everyone deserves a time to have a lunch break and possibly vacation. It really depends on what the requirements of the job are regarding vacations. Vacation time is can either be viewed a unpaid work, or just a incentive in regards to being "payed more for less". I just view it as an incentive, but not that of ridiculous, over-compensation, such as pensions.


Your average government worker does not receive as much in outright pay as your average private worker, thus the incentive they have for working for the government is those added benifits - like a pension. Now are you claiming that government workers should not get pensions, should not get any ongoing payments for services previously rendered?
 
Your average government worker does not receive as much in outright pay as your average private worker, thus the incentive they have for working for the government is those added benifits - like a pension. Now are you claiming that government workers should not get pensions, should not get any ongoing payments for services previously rendered?

would facts change your mind?
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/mzuckerman/articles/2010/09/10/public-sector-workersare-the-new-privileged-elite-class
In 2008, the average wage for 1.9 million federal civilian workers was more than $79,000, versus an average of about $50,000 for the nation's 108 million private sector workers, measured in full-time equivalents, according to federal figures. Comparing the same mix of jobs, the gap was about $8,000 in salaries and $31,000 in benefits. Ninety percent of government employees receive lifetime pension benefits. Only 18 percent of private employees enjoy that protection. Public service employees continue to gain annual salary increases; they are almost impossible to fire; they retire earlier with instant, guaranteed benefits paid for by the taxes of those very same deprived private sector workers.
 
would facts change your mind?
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/mzuckerman/articles/2010/09/10/public-sector-workersare-the-new-privileged-elite-class
In 2008, the average wage for 1.9 million federal civilian workers was more than $79,000, versus an average of about $50,000 for the nation's 108 million private sector workers, measured in full-time equivalents, according to federal figures. Comparing the same mix of jobs, the gap was about $8,000 in salaries and $31,000 in benefits. Ninety percent of government employees receive lifetime pension benefits. Only 18 percent of private employees enjoy that protection. Public service employees continue to gain annual salary increases; they are almost impossible to fire; they retire earlier with instant, guaranteed benefits paid for by the taxes of those very same deprived private sector workers.

If the comparison really was based upon the same mix of jobs, then you have made your point and I am forced to accept it.
 
then let me pull this part out

Comparing the same mix of jobs, the gap was about $8,000 in salaries and $31,000 in benefits
 
then let me pull this part out

Comparing the same mix of jobs, the gap was about $8,000 in salaries and $31,000 in benefits

I saw it but I don't see that particular qualification in the study itself. What "mix" of jobs is that? How many professionals are in government? Are we talking about a variety of scientists and administrators who have no real parallel in the private community? I believe that in many instances our modern government will hire services for many of the lower paying jobs, janitors and such.
 
Don't know for sure and it's not important enough for me to leg after but I was assuming they were comparing the guy who cuts the grass at the college compared to the guy who cuts the grass at the hospital. The janitor of the rest area compared to the janitor at the mill. The teacher at a public school compared to the teacher at a private school, you know, a like mix.

It's an assumption on my part, and we know what happens when we assume. In my personal experience it would be a Physio working in a private clinic compared to the VA. Or a nurse at a private hospital compared to the VA. I know in these instances I'm correct in my assumption.
 
-a significant portion of our elected officials are bought by corporations
-most people don't seem to know/care
-our education system is in shambles, pumping out clones who are good at memorization, not critical thought
-the cost of tuition is outrageous because institutions can keep raising it with growing federal aid to higher education, which will eventually result in another financial bubble crippling the already strained economy and probably marking the beginning of the end of the US as we know it
-outrageous medical costs ($545.00 for a single blood test in Nov. Huh??)
-rising food costs (things like milk, bread, eggs, butter, etc. have doubled in the past 2 years)
-absolutely zero accountability for the largest financial catastrophe in human history
-the war on drugs
-television (fucking useless)


I can't wait to move away from society..


Wouldn't a place like this be awesome, just build a cabin and live right next to the lake...


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Your average government worker does not receive as much in outright pay as your average private worker, thus the incentive they have for working for the government is those added benifits - like a pension. Now are you claiming that government workers should not get pensions, should not get any ongoing payments for services previously rendered?

What is a "service" by your defintion? Something you willingly contract for of your own free will or something imposed on you that you cannot avoid unless the um "service provider" harms you?
 
What is a "service" by your defintion? Something you willingly contract for of your own free will or something imposed on you that you cannot avoid unless the um "service provider" harms you?

Life is filled with things we cannot avoid. And life is filled with demands of you that you do not particularly enjoy.
 
Those are beautiful pictures by the way. Now imagine, in a society where each is "left alone", that some guy builds a gold mine up on the hill there, and he finds it profitable to use mercury and acids to extract his gold and all those nasty items quickly find their way to the lake.

Funny thing, community, it takes lots of forms. No regulations, no government, no attention to reality and you get one rich guy who in the process of his getting rich made all the others poorer - in spirit. After all, the others don't "own" the beauty of the lake, they don't "own" the fish in that lake, the gold mining guy didn't actually harm anyone else did he? He just wants to be left alone to mine for and refine his gold.
 
What pisses me off is how people dress these days....We have turned into a bunch of Slobs.
Just show how little self esteem we have for ourselves.
I guess it also has something to do with our f-upped diet..
Need to wear more jumbo tie string shorts and triple X size shirts backed up with flip flops...that's the ticket.

Oh hell...let's just cut a hole in the center of a bed sheet. Throw it over your head and your ready for a night on the Town.

Eat Portions..not Servings.

You will loose weight and feel better.
Then you can go out and buy nicer clothing.

Stimulate the economy.

"You will look Sexy and probably have more SEX too or the least last longer".
 
What pisses me off is people who wear hats in restraunts.

I've even seen signs that said "please remove your hat", and people still wear caps and cowboy hats when they eat.



Take the fucking hat off dude.



Drives me nuts.
 
people who can't grasp the concept of 4-way stops and whose turn is next are usually the same people riding in the left lane and blocking traffic. Can we blow them up?
 
what pisses me off is the lack of knowledge and intrest about history. Be it social, music, people that came before us that did great things etc. It's an indictment on our society, it shows a lack respect of how we got to be where we are and the things we have.
 
what pisses me off is the lack of knowledge and intrest about history. Be it social, music, people that came before us that did great things etc. It's an indictment on our society, it shows a lack respect of how we got to be where we are and the things we have.

Agree...with you 100% on this one.:weed:
 
people who can't grasp the concept of 4-way stops and whose turn is next are usually the same people riding in the left lane and blocking traffic. Can we blow them up?


Especially those who wave you on because they haven't kept track of who's next - often waving you on in the face of another's right of way -
 
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