What strategy should Democrats use moving forward?

What strategy should Democrats use moving forward?

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Huckster79

Huckster79

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Dems need to embrace both moderate liberals and progressive progressives, we agree on more than w the republicunts. We must negoiate and compromise w each other, we cannot become the gop w its mainstream republicunts and tea party folks, basically splitting party long term. We must exploit their weakness right now. Our political aggressiveness needs to be like theirs right now, one we can be in dominant position we negotiate and compromiise with good and decent conservatives, we need to be the model of statesmanship but till the gop is out of its insane phase we must be as brutal as they...


What we must do is assume the narrative, take the offensive stance in every argument, we often by default assume the defensive position.

We dont need our celebrities to run but we could use the creative powers of our top notch writers and such to come up with powerful, motivational messaging. Republicunts release simple strong themes, we release position papers... unfortunately the average voter wont read a position paper but will plaster his truck with bumper stickers that say "God, guns and guts made America, lets keep all three vote gop."

Once we can master marketing like the gop and are the dominant party and we can get people educated and then maybe they will read our position papers. Till then fight fire with fire...
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Huckster79 said:
We must negoiate and compromise w each other
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I agree. The left is already organized and united. What is taking the Democratic establishment so long to unify with us?


Huckster79 said:
What we must do is assume the narrative, take the offensive stance in every argument, we often by default assume the defensive position.
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So why don't we, as a party, and the leadership, put universal healthcare at the forefront of the argument? Republicans are bent on repealing the ACA and removing almost 30 million Americans from access to healthcare. Why doesn't the Democratic party and Democratic leadership step up and say they're for medicare for all? In light of Trump and the Republicans taking healthcare away from millions of Americans, why doesn't the Democratic party stand strong in saying they support a medicare for all system that covers everyone?
 
Huckster79

Huckster79

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Idk why.

We let them convince the public that the ACA is ultra liberal, its a moderate republican plan!

The minute the vote was cast the other day, dems rejoiced in the victory of the defeat of the repeal, that gives the other side a chance to regroup! when winning a battle you dont rest for one minute till absolute victory. The minute vote was done our message needed to be: "48 of these cold hearted bastards just voted for countless people to DIE due to lack of Healthcare "

I beleive the argument needs to be framed this way on healtcare: dearest republicunt please show me a succesful Healthcare system anywhere based on "the market" where people arent left to die without care or where no one goes broke and bankrupt from getting sick or hurt? Where or where does this exist?....


We have example after example to show succesful universal healtcare systems, that deliver better coverage for less for all... anything else is an expiriment! We have proof it can be done better and cheaper, as in every other developed country but ours... we can build off of and improve off other universal systems, but mr republicunt you want to gamble our lives on an expirimental healthcare system? Wtf u fool.

Furthermore what mr businessman republicunt, what is basic way insurance works? Put people in a pool and spread the risk of expense thus lowering the cost for individuals compared to the potential expense to any of them individually if not in the pool... how do u lower the risk/expense in a pool per person? That is right, increase its size... how wud we raise its size the most??? Include everyone!

Other thing that must be done is geerymandering must end for both parties, otherwise no matter how we message it wont matter, not when politicians choose their voters not other way around..
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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The reason the Democratic establishment is taking so long to unify with the rest of the left is because they don't actually represent the ideals or policy positions of the left. They want to continue to court their corporate donors while pretending to represent the left. That's why congresspeople like Pelosi and Schumer continue to give lip service to progressive positions like universal healthcare while still not fully committing to supporting it.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Padawanbater2 said:
I agree. The left is already organized and united. What is taking the Democratic establishment so long to unify with us?



So why don't we, as a party, and the leadership, put universal healthcare at the forefront of the argument? Republicans are bent on repealing the ACA and removing almost 30 million Americans from access to healthcare. Why doesn't the Democratic party and Democratic leadership step up and say they're for medicare for all? In light of Trump and the Republicans taking healthcare away from millions of Americans, why doesn't the Democratic party stand strong in saying they support a medicare for all system that covers everyone?
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Because the Democratic Party is bought and paid for by the same donor owner class that funds the right wing. They know it, so their 'strategy' is to make a show of opposition to fool the voting public but not actually move policy.

They're against the current health care proposal but where's the strong messaging about an alternative that works for all Americans?

The Democrats will only move left when they're dragged by the People, kicking and screaming the whole way.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Huckster79 said:
Idk why.

We let them convince the public that the ACA is ultra liberal, its a moderate republican plan!

The minute the vote was cast the other day, dems rejoiced in the victory of the defeat of the repeal, that gives the other side a chance to regroup! when winning a battle you dont rest for one minute till absolute victory. The minute vote was done our message needed to be: "48 of these cold hearted bastards just voted for countless people to DIE due to lack of Healthcare "

I beleive the argument needs to be framed this way on healtcare: dearest republicunt please show me a succesful Healthcare system anywhere based on "the market" where people arent left to die without care or where no one goes broke and bankrupt from getting sick or hurt? Where or where does this exist?....


We have example after example to show succesful universal healtcare systems, that deliver better coverage for less for all... anything else is an expiriment! We have proof it can be done better and cheaper, as in every other developed country but ours... we can build off of and improve off other universal systems, but mr republicunt you want to gamble our lives on an expirimental healthcare system? Wtf u fool.

Furthermore what mr businessman republicunt, what is basic way insurance works? Put people in a pool and spread the risk of expense thus lowering the cost for individuals compared to the potential expense to any of them individually if not in the pool... how do u lower the risk/expense in a pool per person? That is right, increase its size... how wud we raise its size the most??? Include everyone!

Other thing that must be done is geerymandering must end for both parties, otherwise no matter how we message it wont matter, not when politicians choose their voters not other way around..
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The reason why not boils down to Citizens United. Until we can free our political system from the fiscal stranglehold the donor/owner class currently has it in, it will ignore the needs of the lower class 90% of the population.

Your prescriptions are apt and valid- but they aren't going anywhere until that changes.
 
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