What Would an Evangelical Christian Country Be Like

Bagginski said:

There was a legit find of tall, big-boned red-haired mummies, but out in the western wastes IIRC, not in pyramids. DNA revealed little-to-no ‘asiatic’ content, but they were legit* (sorry, I forget the dating on the remains). No idea if any link has been found between that group & the Ainu of Japan, which has some similar characteristics (sorry, ain’t brushed up on it in a minute).

Acknowledging the limits of what we know is one thing; speculating on our imaginations is something else entirely.

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Lovelock Cave: A Tale of Giants or A Giant Tale of Fiction?

The Paiutes, a Native American tribe indigenous to parts of Nevada, have an oral tradition that they told to early white settlers of the area about a race of red-haired, white giants or “barbarians”

www.ancient-origins.net

Bagginski said:

I’m sorry, yeah - it really is.

Look at the workload: say (for discussion) only 500 kinds of animals, 2 each, so 1000 different animals, needing different foods, pissing & shitting on their own individual schedules. Let’s postulate a per-pair poop burden average of 10# daily. Times 500, that’s 5000 pounds. Every day.

Say it takes 5 min. to scoop each pair, and 15 to carry the waste topside & toss it overboard, 5 to return to the next, let’s add 5 for scratching, self-care, whatever…that gives us :30 x 500, or 250 hours for a single go.

Well, how many workers do we have? We have 8. If we had 10, and they all managed to work CONSTANTLY *and* collectively squeeze in another hour’s work, we could do it. However, no one would be able to sit down during the voyage - or sleep, or eat, or do anything but scoop & dispose of animal waste.


Not even time enough, or personnel, to even FEED the beasts. With only eight, each must work THIRTY HOURS PER DAY without a break, the whole time. No food, no sleep, no rest. Violent motions of the ark beneath their feet. The heavy rain keeping the people below-deck, so no escape from the endless stench. No clean clothes. Water, water, everywhere, but not a drop to drink, might be the worst of them all.

As I see it, even if it was tried, there is ZERO chance any of the crew survived, ZERO chance all the animals survived (breeding pairs, remember?). Based on reality, that is.

Remember, I didn’t say floods or flooding: we’re tsunami-aware these days, right? Also easy to guess that a big rock falling out of space could raise one HELL of a wave if it hit water (75% or the planet’s surface. LOTS of history & evidence of major/catastrophic flooding around the world. No specific evidence of which rock gawd supposedly threw; not really any solid tie between “the flood of Noah” & any particular flooding event of any proportions.

Of course, it needn’t have been an ocean strike, right? A land strike would generate hella rainfall, for sure (again, there’s evidence), and THAT’s how Paul Bunyan saved the blue ox…no, wait, that’s how the fairytale says the flood came: rain.

The big problem with a rain-induced inundation of global proportions is that the planet’s surface is only occasionally concave…and water seeks its own (lowest) level…the chance of a boat of that supposed size & inevitable weight/displacement was able to remain afloat for THIRTY DAYS (c’mon, it didn’t start to float on day one) - then come aground ON TOP OF A MOUNTAIN - is once again ZERO. It’s a tale worthy of Baron Munchausen.

Absent CONTINUAL MAGICAL INTERVENTION by *some* god in *some* machine *somewhere*, it never happened. It couldn’t have happened as relayed. The world simply isn’t like that at all, and magical intervention OF THE REQUIRED SCALE has been 100% not in evidence in recorded memory (the “inerrant” snake-oil account notwithstanding).

Back to “inerrancy” again, but just for a moment: it strongly suggests that “Bible-believers” really only believe in THE BOOK. They believe all the fantastic & anti-human crap in it BECAUSE THE BOOK TOLD THEM TO BELIEVE IT.

After all, they no longer have the weight of Rome (church or empire) crushing them, they must be brought to heel by other means.

Oh, and our occasional reminder that “the bible” was assembled for Emperor Constantine, at his behest, and to his specifications - and for no other reason. Everything since has been jockeying for position.

Next time, we’ll talk about Josephus Flavius

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CunningCanuk said:

I made this last weekend, so yummy.

Dak Bokkeum with Spinach (Korean Stewed Chicken with Spinach)

Gochujang is an indispensable Korean sauce based on fermented soybeans and chiles. You'll find it in Asian markets, or seek out Annie Chun's brand, which is more widely available.

Ingredients
Ingredient Checklist

• ⅓ cup gochujang (Korean chile sauce)
• ¼ cup (1/2-inch) slices green onion bottoms
• 2 ½ tablespoons lower-sodium soy sauce
• 2 tablespoons minced fresh garlic
• 2 tablespoons minced peeled ginger
• 2 tablespoons dark sesame oil
• 1 tablespoon brown sugar
• ¾ teaspoon crushed red pepper
• 2 pounds skinless, boneless chicken thighs, cut into 1/2-inch strips
• 1 ½ cups uncooked short-grain white rice
• 1 ½ cups water
• ⅓ cup water
• ¾ cup (1 1/2-inch) slices green onion tops
• 1 (5-ounce) bag fresh baby spinach
• 1 tablespoon toasted sesame seeds
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  Directions
• • Step 1 Combine the first 8 ingredients in a large bowl. Stir in chicken. Cover and marinate 30 minutes.
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    Step 2 Place rice in a medium saucepan; cover with water to 2 inches above rice. Stir rice; drain. Repeat procedure twice. Add 1 1/2 cups water to drained rice in pan. Bring to a boil over medium-high heat. Cover, reduce heat, and simmer for 20 minutes. Remove from heat; let stand 10 minutes.
    
    
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    Step 3 While rice cooks, bring 1/3 cup water to a boil in a Dutch oven. Add chicken mixture; bring to a simmer. Cover, reduce heat, and simmer 20 minutes. Uncover and simmer 10 minutes or until mixture thickens, stirring occasionally. Remove from heat; stir in green onion tops and spinach. Sprinkle with sesame seeds. Serve with rice.

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Bagginski said:

I’m sorry, yeah - it really is.

Look at the workload: say (for discussion) only 500 kinds of animals, 2 each, so 1000 different animals, needing different foods, pissing & shitting on their own individual schedules. Let’s postulate a per-pair poop burden average of 10# daily. Times 500, that’s 5000 pounds. Every day.

Say it takes 5 min. to scoop each pair, and 15 to carry the waste topside & toss it overboard, 5 to return to the next, let’s add 5 for scratching, self-care, whatever…that gives us :30 x 500, or 250 hours for a single go.

Well, how many workers do we have? We have 8. If we had 10, and they all managed to work CONSTANTLY *and* collectively squeeze in another hour’s work, we could do it. However, no one would be able to sit down during the voyage - or sleep, or eat, or do anything but scoop & dispose of animal waste.


Not even time enough, or personnel, to even FEED the beasts. With only eight, each must work THIRTY HOURS PER DAY without a break, the whole time. No food, no sleep, no rest. Violent motions of the ark beneath their feet. The heavy rain keeping the people below-deck, so no escape from the endless stench. No clean clothes. Water, water, everywhere, but not a drop to drink, might be the worst of them all.

As I see it, even if it was tried, there is ZERO chance any of the crew survived, ZERO chance all the animals survived (breeding pairs, remember?). Based on reality, that is.

Remember, I didn’t say floods or flooding: we’re tsunami-aware these days, right? Also easy to guess that a big rock falling out of space could raise one HELL of a wave if it hit water (75% or the planet’s surface. LOTS of history & evidence of major/catastrophic flooding around the world. No specific evidence of which rock gawd supposedly threw; not really any solid tie between “the flood of Noah” & any particular flooding event of any proportions.

Of course, it needn’t have been an ocean strike, right? A land strike would generate hella rainfall, for sure (again, there’s evidence), and THAT’s how Paul Bunyan saved the blue ox…no, wait, that’s how the fairytale says the flood came: rain.

The big problem with a rain-induced inundation of global proportions is that the planet’s surface is only occasionally concave…and water seeks its own (lowest) level…the chance of a boat of that supposed size & inevitable weight/displacement was able to remain afloat for THIRTY DAYS (c’mon, it didn’t start to float on day one) - then come aground ON TOP OF A MOUNTAIN - is once again ZERO. It’s a tale worthy of Baron Munchausen.

Absent CONTINUAL MAGICAL INTERVENTION by *some* god in *some* machine *somewhere*, it never happened. It couldn’t have happened as relayed. The world simply isn’t like that at all, and magical intervention OF THE REQUIRED SCALE has been 100% not in evidence in recorded memory (the “inerrant” snake-oil account notwithstanding).

Back to “inerrancy” again, but just for a moment: it strongly suggests that “Bible-believers” really only believe in THE BOOK. They believe all the fantastic & anti-human crap in it BECAUSE THE BOOK TOLD THEM TO BELIEVE IT.

After all, they no longer have the weight of Rome (church or empire) crushing them, they must be brought to heel by other means.

Oh, and our occasional reminder that “the bible” was assembled for Emperor Constantine, at his behest, and to his specifications - and for no other reason. Everything since has been jockeying for position.

Next time, we’ll talk about Josephus Flavius

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cannabineer said:

1/3 cup gochujang is a lot of firepower!

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Fogdog said:

*not legit

It was a Paiute legend. Lovelock Cave was excavated and bones of normal people were found.

Lovelock Cave: A Tale of Giants or A Giant Tale of Fiction?

The Paiutes, a Native American tribe indigenous to parts of Nevada, have an oral tradition that they told to early white settlers of the area about a race of red-haired, white giants or “barbarians”

www.ancient-origins.net

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Bagginski said:

The discovery I mentioned was western China or west of China. *Definitely not Paiute*

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cannabineer said:

keeping the obligate carnivores fed would have been a task of Herculean logistics.

Also, if we’re gonna invoke a bolide, there is the absence of post-strike weather in the tale to handwave away. Not to mention that it would have left some obvious regional (perhaps global) tells in the sedimentation record.

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Fogdog said:

post a link or you are just confused

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Bagginski said:

is this good?

The Mystery of the Xiaohe Mummies in China

In 1939 a remarkable discovery was done by the Swedish archaeologist Bergman Folke. A set of tombs were found in the Xinjiang Province known as the Xiaohe Tombs.

www.ancient-origins.net

DNA reveals unexpected origins of enigmatic mummies buried in a Chinese desert | CNN

Since their discovery, the ancestry of hundreds of mummified bodies buried in boats in an inhospitable desert region of northwest China has divided archaeologists.

www.cnn.com

New Research Reveals Surprising Origins of Millennia-Old Mummies Found in China

Once thought to be migrants from West Asia, the deceased were actually direct descendants of a local Ice Age population, DNA analysis suggests

www.smithsonianmag.com

Tarim mummies - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

DNA reveals surprise ancestry of mysterious Chinese mummies

The genomes of 13 remarkably preserved 4,000-year-old mummies from the Tarim Basin suggest they weren’t migrants who brought technology from the west, as previously supposed.

www.nature.com

NOVA Online | Mysterious Mummies of China | The Takla Makan Mummies

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Fogdog said:

When you are in your wife's room? Now I am confused.
Yep, you are…

Regarding the links, thanks. The thread had been trending to the fantastic and those links bring it back to earth.

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Bagginski said:

Dude, I only get that confused is when my wife’s in the room

I should be able to link you to PBS or NatGeo, so lemme go look (save my place, ‘k?)

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cannabineer said:

you didn’t marry her for being ordinary

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Bagginski said:

I ‘spect I’d be better off w/ THIS one…the one I’ve got is the worst of three

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Bagginski said:

I’m sorry, yeah - it really is.

Look at the workload: say (for discussion) only 500 kinds of animals, 2 each, so 1000 different animals, needing different foods, pissing & shitting on their own individual schedules. Let’s postulate a per-pair poop burden average of 10# daily. Times 500, that’s 5000 pounds. Every day.

Say it takes 5 min. to scoop each pair, and 15 to carry the waste topside & toss it overboard, 5 to return to the next, let’s add 5 for scratching, self-care, whatever…that gives us :30 x 500, or 250 hours for a single go.

Well, how many workers do we have? We have 8. If we had 10, and they all managed to work CONSTANTLY *and* collectively squeeze in another hour’s work, we could do it. However, no one would be able to sit down during the voyage - or sleep, or eat, or do anything but scoop & dispose of animal waste.


Not even time enough, or personnel, to even FEED the beasts. With only eight, each must work THIRTY HOURS PER DAY without a break, the whole time. No food, no sleep, no rest. Violent motions of the ark beneath their feet. The heavy rain keeping the people below-deck, so no escape from the endless stench. No clean clothes. Water, water, everywhere, but not a drop to drink, might be the worst of them all.

As I see it, even if it was tried, there is ZERO chance any of the crew survived, ZERO chance all the animals survived (breeding pairs, remember?). Based on reality, that is.

Remember, I didn’t say floods or flooding: we’re tsunami-aware these days, right? Also easy to guess that a big rock falling out of space could raise one HELL of a wave if it hit water (75% or the planet’s surface. LOTS of history & evidence of major/catastrophic flooding around the world. No specific evidence of which rock gawd supposedly threw; not really any solid tie between “the flood of Noah” & any particular flooding event of any proportions.

Of course, it needn’t have been an ocean strike, right? A land strike would generate hella rainfall, for sure (again, there’s evidence), and THAT’s how Paul Bunyan saved the blue ox…no, wait, that’s how the fairytale says the flood came: rain.

The big problem with a rain-induced inundation of global proportions is that the planet’s surface is only occasionally concave…and water seeks its own (lowest) level…the chance of a boat of that supposed size & inevitable weight/displacement was able to remain afloat for THIRTY DAYS (c’mon, it didn’t start to float on day one) - then come aground ON TOP OF A MOUNTAIN - is once again ZERO. It’s a tale worthy of Baron Munchausen.

Absent CONTINUAL MAGICAL INTERVENTION by *some* god in *some* machine *somewhere*, it never happened. It couldn’t have happened as relayed. The world simply isn’t like that at all, and magical intervention OF THE REQUIRED SCALE has been 100% not in evidence in recorded memory (the “inerrant” snake-oil account notwithstanding).

Back to “inerrancy” again, but just for a moment: it strongly suggests that “Bible-believers” really only believe in THE BOOK. They believe all the fantastic & anti-human crap in it BECAUSE THE BOOK TOLD THEM TO BELIEVE IT.

After all, they no longer have the weight of Rome (church or empire) crushing them, they must be brought to heel by other means.

Oh, and our occasional reminder that “the bible” was assembled for Emperor Constantine, at his behest, and to his specifications - and for no other reason. Everything since has been jockeying for position.

Next time, we’ll talk about Josephus Flavius

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Bagginski said:

I’m sorry, yeah - it really is.

Look at the workload: say (for discussion) only 500 kinds of animals, 2 each, so 1000 different animals, needing different foods, pissing & shitting on their own individual schedules. Let’s postulate a per-pair poop burden average of 10# daily. Times 500, that’s 5000 pounds. Every day.

Say it takes 5 min. to scoop each pair, and 15 to carry the waste topside & toss it overboard, 5 to return to the next, let’s add 5 for scratching, self-care, whatever…that gives us :30 x 500, or 250 hours for a single go.

Well, how many workers do we have? We have 8. If we had 10, and they all managed to work CONSTANTLY *and* collectively squeeze in another hour’s work, we could do it. However, no one would be able to sit down during the voyage - or sleep, or eat, or do anything but scoop & dispose of animal waste.


Not even time enough, or personnel, to even FEED the beasts. With only eight, each must work THIRTY HOURS PER DAY without a break, the whole time. No food, no sleep, no rest. Violent motions of the ark beneath their feet. The heavy rain keeping the people below-deck, so no escape from the endless stench. No clean clothes. Water, water, everywhere, but not a drop to drink, might be the worst of them all.

As I see it, even if it was tried, there is ZERO chance any of the crew survived, ZERO chance all the animals survived (breeding pairs, remember?). Based on reality, that is.

Remember, I didn’t say floods or flooding: we’re tsunami-aware these days, right? Also easy to guess that a big rock falling out of space could raise one HELL of a wave if it hit water (75% or the planet’s surface. LOTS of history & evidence of major/catastrophic flooding around the world. No specific evidence of which rock gawd supposedly threw; not really any solid tie between “the flood of Noah” & any particular flooding event of any proportions.

Of course, it needn’t have been an ocean strike, right? A land strike would generate hella rainfall, for sure (again, there’s evidence), and THAT’s how Paul Bunyan saved the blue ox…no, wait, that’s how the fairytale says the flood came: rain.

The big problem with a rain-induced inundation of global proportions is that the planet’s surface is only occasionally concave…and water seeks its own (lowest) level…the chance of a boat of that supposed size & inevitable weight/displacement was able to remain afloat for THIRTY DAYS (c’mon, it didn’t start to float on day one) - then come aground ON TOP OF A MOUNTAIN - is once again ZERO. It’s a tale worthy of Baron Munchausen.

Absent CONTINUAL MAGICAL INTERVENTION by *some* god in *some* machine *somewhere*, it never happened. It couldn’t have happened as relayed. The world simply isn’t like that at all, and magical intervention OF THE REQUIRED SCALE has been 100% not in evidence in recorded memory (the “inerrant” snake-oil account notwithstanding).

Back to “inerrancy” again, but just for a moment: it strongly suggests that “Bible-believers” really only believe in THE BOOK. They believe all the fantastic & anti-human crap in it BECAUSE THE BOOK TOLD THEM TO BELIEVE IT.

After all, they no longer have the weight of Rome (church or empire) crushing them, they must be brought to heel by other means.

Oh, and our occasional reminder that “the bible” was assembled for Emperor Constantine, at his behest, and to his specifications - and for no other reason. Everything since has been jockeying for position.

Next time, we’ll talk about Josephus Flavius

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Roger A. Shrubber said:

the whole story is ridiculous to begin with, 2 animals is far too small of a breeding population for most of them to have survived, and the ones that did would have serious genetic problems from their severely limited gene pool.
They sort of skipped over a lot of stuff in the story...most of the animals on earth didn't live anywhere close to noah, so i guess god made them want to travel across the globe to board his ark, and then made them want to go back to their homes to breed nonstop till they died...what a kind and considerate use of an animals life, to allow a deity to act like a murderous spoiled child.
I'm guessing gawd made the carnivorous animals vegetarians for the year plus that they were floating? Or did gawd just magically supply huge amounts of fresh meat daily, and tons of silage? did they just shovel all the shit overboard?
It's one of the more ridiculous stories in the bible, not one word of it makes any sense.

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bursto said:

so misinformed its unbelievable

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