Which light??

Organics101 · Jan 10, 2012

ill let these four plants i already got be a test run on how long the vegging and flowering both took, along with the growth sizes so i know what will fit in what, ill be able to time how long each proccess takes and determine off of those results what would be the most prime time to switch from veg to flower/when to start veg so that i can have perfectly vegged plants ready for flower just as my harvest is finished

wheels619 · Jan 10, 2012

Organics101 said:
i got a quick question about stretching, i know if the light is to far away the plant will began to stretch, however i havent had my light far away like thats its stayed about 13 inches or so away, caus out of my four plants, for some reason one of them is stretching tal but the inner nodes are having a big trouble growing out, ive done the same to that plant as i did with the other three and the other three are fine, its just that one guy doesnt seem to be producing its inner nodes as nice as the rest, any thoughts on what mite be causing this?

hmm got any pics? are they from seed? or clones? seeds can adopt different traits from each of the parents. so u may end up with a few diff looking plants. it all depends on the pheno.

Organics101 · Jan 10, 2012

wheels619 said:
hmm got any pics? are they from seed? or clones? seeds can adopt different traits from each of the parents. so u may end up with a few diff looking plants. it all depends on the pheno.

there all from seed and i know exactly what u mean by different traits theres all off by a few inches an i started em all the exact same time, i got the seeds from my last true female hermie so there all the same strain, but here ill get a couple pictures up

Organics101 · Jan 10, 2012

well the pictures are fuckin up my email isnt accepting anything idk why but ill keep workin on it an see what i can do about gettin some pics up

wheels619 · Jan 11, 2012

lol. yeah it happens sometimes. gotta go snap some pics today. and pot all those clones in party cups for a couple weeks.

wheels619 · Jan 11, 2012

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Monkeyfloss · Jan 11, 2012

wheels619 said:
i never said fem seeds are bad. its just been my experience to stay away from them becuz of the tendency to hermie more so than reg seeds. its in the genetics of the seed thats how they make them fem. with hermied true female plants. if the seeds arent done right when being made they will most likely hermie. read the forums. peeps complain all the time from fem seeds turning gaga on them. organic had some go gaga on him too recently if im correct not to mention i had two half pound plants go gaga on me cuz the genes werent stable enough. thats all im saying. and its personal prefference. i just have to much shit in flower to risk fem seeds unless they have been tried and tested first.

Fem seeds arent for everyone, but I think theyre great because you can easily grow them out and select the stongest mother for a new run. Its nice and quick. Would much rather work with just clones though.... Apparently fem seeds arent so popular in N.America and peeps tend to look down on them. In Europe theyre becoming more popular.

I guess its just whatever works.

Organics101 · Jan 11, 2012

Yoo i got my veg box built, spent all day on that shit an i dod manage to take 5 trips to home depot lol, spent 100 in materials, got a 3x3 6 ft tall structure now. Its a lot bigger thenni intecepated but it works perfectly i could easy fot 9 plants in here, i almost broke my fav bong in the process but managed to have it turn out perfect, ill get pics as soon as i can

wheels619 · Jan 11, 2012

Monkeyfloss said:
Fem seeds arent for everyone, but I think theyre great because you can easily grow them out and select the stongest mother for a new run. Its nice and quick. Would much rather work with just clones though.... Apparently fem seeds arent so popular in N.America and peeps tend to look down on them. In Europe theyre becoming more popular.

I guess its just whatever works.

well they are very popular here. its just that most seed companies i have found to be lacking in the fem seeds department. either not enough know how or they are just too new of a company for me to risk it. i will eventually get some more fem seeds but they def wont be very cheap and they will be from a reputable company and breader. but at the moment i just dont have the extra cash to fork out for them.

i feel if u buy seeds u shouldnt go cheap. but most people often do trying to save a buck or two and get horrible results.

Organics101 said:
Yoo i got my veg box built, spent all day on that shit an i dod manage to take 5 trips to home depot lol, spent 100 in materials, got a 3x3 6 ft tall structure now. Its a lot bigger thenni intecepated but it works perfectly i could easy fot 9 plants in here, i almost broke my fav bong in the process but managed to have it turn out perfect, ill get pics as soon as i can

sweet bro. ill be waiting for some pics.

wheels619 · Jan 11, 2012

check this crazy thing out. lol

Organics101 · Jan 12, 2012

wheels619 said:
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ooooooooh thats niceeee

Organics101 · Jan 12, 2012

wheels619 said:
check this crazy thing out. lol

dude that things fucking wilddd haha

Organics101 · Jan 12, 2012

yoo i finaly got a pic of the box

alllll day project but that shit is soooo balller

xMOONx · Jan 12, 2012

This is my EASY CFL set-up for my closet grow--I have 2 sets of 6 lights each--26 watt in my Bloom closet. Does an excellent job & cost about $18/20 each set.

Organics101 · Jan 12, 2012

thats sick is CFL as hps and mh? i kno they would keep the power bill down and the heat as well, running two 600s is hot

Organics101 · Jan 12, 2012

Organics101 said:
thats sick is CFL as hps and mh? i kno they would keep the power bill down and the heat as well, running two 600s is hot

/\/\/\ as good as hps and mh**

wheels619 · Jan 12, 2012

no where near. and u actually need more wattage in cfls to equil a 400 watt mh for veg. dont rec using cfls for flower. grab like three 120 cfm pc fans and mount two to the top and one at the bottom. the lower sucking in and the tops blowing out. should keep ur room a comfortable 70-75 degrees in ur room when the lights are on. u would need a ton of cfls to equil that 400 mh. each 26 watt bulb has about 1800 lumens max. ur 400 is about 33000 lumens. u would need 19 bulbs at about almost 500 watts. plus they have to be really close and when u have that many bulbs in a box u will need to have exhaust fans anyways. it will get about the same temps as the 400 with that many bulbs. the 400 has way more penetrating power than cfls ever will, plus if u get the right ballast u can toss an hps bulb in it for flower too and use the mh for veg. if u get a digital ballast avoid anything that needs a fan to cool itself. most good ballasts wont need fans to cool themselves becuz they tend to run cooler anyways. a fan inside of a digital ballast is just a weak point in my opinion.

my 2x2x4 is about 82 degrees inside with the fans on and only 300 watts in it. think about how many u will need to hit 500 watts? i only run 9 bulbs in it right now. and some are bigger 48 and 68 watt bulbs. i think.

oh and get a wallmounted thermometer to monitor ur temps in the beggining till u get everything fully dialed in. u can get a cheap one with humidity meter on it for like 3 bucks at home depot or wallmart in the garden section and u might want to paint the walls white or get some mylar in it for reflectivity. looks ballin tho good job bro.

Organics101 · Jan 12, 2012

wheels619 said:
no where near. and u actually need more wattage in cfls to equil a 400 watt mh for veg. dont rec using cfls for flower. grab like three 120 cfm pc fans and mount two to the top and one at the bottom. the lower sucking in and the tops blowing out. should keep ur room a comfortable 70-75 degrees in ur room when the lights are on. u would need a ton of cfls to equil that 400 mh. each 26 watt bulb has about 1800 lumens max. ur 400 is about 33000 lumens. u would need 19 bulbs at about almost 500 watts. plus they have to be really close and when u have that many bulbs in a box u will need to have exhaust fans anyways. it will get about the same temps as the 400 with that many bulbs. the 400 has way more penetrating power than cfls ever will, plus if u get the right ballast u can toss an hps bulb in it for flower too and use the mh for veg. if u get a digital ballast avoid anything that needs a fan to cool itself. most good ballasts wont need fans to cool themselves becuz they tend to run cooler anyways. a fan inside of a digital ballast is just a weak point in my opinion.

my 2x2x4 is about 82 degrees inside with the fans on and only 300 watts in it. think about how many u will need to hit 500 watts? i only run 9 bulbs in it right now. and some are bigger 48 and 68 watt bulbs. i think.

oh and get a wallmounted thermometer to monitor ur temps in the beggining till u get everything fully dialed in. u can get a cheap one with humidity meter on it for like 3 bucks at home depot or wallmart in the garden section and u might want to paint the walls white or get some mylar in it for reflectivity. looks ballin tho good job bro.

imma just keep running the MH on em instead of switching to cfls, when i was using floros the difference with using the MH was incredible, but do u know any hardware stores that will sell the fans? home depote and lowes carry tons of duct work but absolutly no fans its pointless i can only find em online. ive also been spending some time covering the walls with mylar so its nice an reflective,
also about those digital ballast, ive never really messed with a digital i actualy wasnt even aware of the different types until just recently, what does the digital do? also with my MH the ballast is seperate so i can put that off to the side to keep some heat down, it wont even have to be in the box, but usualy with any sort of cooling aspect im pretty good when it comes to it, and the lights im getting are pretty top of the line so they should stay pretty cool.
with running my 250 mh in that 7x3 spot i could actualy if i wanted to drop the temp down to 65 steady, but i just leave a few of the fans unplugged an plug em in whenever i need to, i got it all hooked up waiting for those two 600 hps which i should be getting in a few days, im almost ready to send those 4 into flower theyre about 12" or so, only took about a month to which was straight.

but yah man that 3x3 is awesome, it fits perfectly rite where i intended it to fit, i just godda cut a few holes an turn it into a proper grow space, its built but its still only halfway done i hope to get it goin pretty soon after these 4 head into flower. but thanks for the idea dude foreal its straaiight

wheels619 · Jan 13, 2012

for suree. u can find fans at any grow shop but they would be expensive. if ur looking for an inline fan i would rock ebay or craigslist. altho u can get a new 6 inch canfan for about 80 bucks on ebay brand new and they are normally aboput 60-80 bucks used on craigslist. they last like ten years so u wont have to worry about a used one crapping out on u. new at a grow shop or store it would cost u close to 120 bucks. digital ballasts are nice. they dont run hot like the older magnetics do. newer technology. i used to run magnetic till my last one caught fire. so i only run magnetic outside in my flower shed. inside i run digital just becuz i feel they dont make my room a hundred degrees and i dont have to worry about them burning my house down. lol. also digital ballasts are more efficient in the power usage department. they dont waste as much power as magnetics in my opinion. they are just more effeicient all the way around but the draw back is they are a little bit more in cost. like 120 buck just for a 400 watt ballast. but most can run both mh and hps bulbs in them and most are dimmable if need be. 100% 75% 50% so 400 300 and 200 watts. which is nice to have sometimes.

Organics101 · Jan 13, 2012

ohhh shit i need to get a digital, my mh is a magnetic im not tryin to burn my house down either haha. at the hydro store near me its only 10 extra bucks for a digital over magnetic. since ill have to 600s goin magnetics would be rediculously hot. but i know where i can get some fans at a pretty good price that will keep my room nice an cool. i cant wait to go pick those 600s up tho, ive been waitin a while to get em and i keep having to pay for other bullshit it sucks but im hopin to have em within the next week or so, then ill reallly get shit goin

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