which seeds would be best to get out of these?

Flares

Active Member
Probably gonna by some seeds locally and want to know what ppl know about these strains.
1- Diablos Kush F1 Hybrid (Fuma con Diablos x Purple Kush) 50% Sativa 50% Indica Or
2- Diablos Pink Kush Hybrid (Fuma con Diablos x Pink Kush) 50% Sativa 50% Indica - polyploid seeds (triploid seeds)
Anyone tell me more about these?
 

Jogro

Well-Known Member
a triploid is bushyer it has three branches per internode instead of two
Three leaf/branch per node plants aren't all that uncommon naturally; I think every long term grower sees plants like this from time to time.

I don't know about this particular line, but in my experience, plants with this phenotype may not be stable; sometimes they revert back to 2 branches/node as the plant gets mature.

Also, for what its worth in many/most cases multiple leaves/branches per node probably don't represent true triploidy (ie three chromosome copies instead of two), but rather a developmental phenotype called "whorled phylotaxy".

IMO, this change is more gimmicky than useful. I wouldn't kill a plant that showed it, but so far as I know these plants really don't demonstrate increased potency or yield.

You can read a bit more about these things here:
https://www.rollitup.org/seed-strain-reviews/334168-triploid-female-2.html#post4209717
 

BillyBudd

Member
Diablos Kush was designed to be a plant that would have a soaring, long lasting high with a fruity taste and decent yield. It is a connoisseur strain with commercial viability. This strain is brand new to the world, this year, but I have been working on it for the past 3 years. I love this plant and recommend it to anybody who wants a good yielding plant that will obtain AAA results in the finished product. It is easy to grow and easy to manage due to the low leaf to flower ratio. No pruning, easy to trim, grows very well behaved and orderly. It tastes awesome, the high is stellar and the effect is long lasting, up to 3 hours. It is a real F1 hybrid so all of the plants grow exactly the same every time and it has heterosis (hybrid vigour). Although it is easy to grow, I do not recommend this plant for novice smokers due to the cerebral high. It may be too much for some, especially young, people.

Diablos Pink Kush is an experimental strain (genetically modified organism) and is a triploid. Pink Kush is a tetraploid and was used as the mother plant. Pink Kush is some of the strongest pot on the planet and tastes excellent. It is however, the worst growing plant that I have ever seen. It is a tired strain and is extremely susceptible to spider mites due to the over-cloning. I wanted to create a plant that would have a better yield and refresh the genetics. I am still in the experimental stage with these seeds. It is a real triploid and should create killer smoke. This plant should be bushier than a regular plant but not quite as bushy as Pink Kush. It will not have the spider mite issue due to the refreshed genetics. Expect to feed and water this plant at about 30% more than a regular plant. I recommend 60% more for Pink Kush or another tetraploid. Polyploids are much higher in THC due to the increased density.

NOTE:
Please do not confuse triploids with whorled phyllotaxy. Tetraploids and triploids never revert back to regular diploid branch/leaf configuration while whorled phyllotaxy will. Whorled phyllotaxy is not the same thing as polyploids but look similar. Pink Kush is a tetraploid. Diablos Pink Kush is a triploid. Triploids cannot pollinate with diploids or tetraploids due to a chromosone mismatch. All tetraploids are created chemically and are considered genetically modified organisms.
 

Omgwtfbbq Indicaman

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polyploid seeds have been proven WORSE than diploid relatives, they extra genes don't exactly help or make breeding any easier. plants who display whorled phyllotaxy(3 or more bud sites per node) generally become male(when from seed they display WP) but i've had clones of females, most recently- Delicious Seeds Cotton Candy, display the whorled phyllotaxy after a cloning, did no other training after i noticed she was a disobedient girl, if you are getting seeds from a whorled plant, then it should be fine. some plants will produce 3 budsites per node or more if you fuck up a fim, cotton candy sure did on almost every clone i took.
 

hazey grapes

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polyploid seeds have been proven WORSE than diploid relatives, they extra genes don't exactly help or make breeding any easier.
i seriously doubt that triploid plants have "extra genes" that make that trait express itself. genes are essentially just switches that tell something when to divide or stop growing in a given location. there are probable less than a dozen genes responsible for the trait and as few as a single one causing it. complexity has very little to do with gene counts in general. following that logic, humans should have the most genes out of any species when we have no more than an earthworm actually and some PLANTS like the common tomato have many more genes than us. soy plants actually have more than twice as many genes as us, though you wouldn't guess if you've ever tasted plain tofu.

the genes that produce the triploid trait are no more different than squat vs stretchy, skunky vs fruity or low odor, or trippy vs stony. they're just another genetic variation. it's possible that the strains that do have that trait suck. it's a rarity. i was really psyched when i saw one of my couple dozen bagseed strains had the trait. sadly i lost them all.

i wonder why you don't see breeders using strains that have the trait trying to work it into other strains to increase productivity the same way pure schwag ruderalis has produced some nice autoflowering lowryder strains with dedicated selective breeding & crossing. maybe the trait is really really rare, and maybe most breeders aren't even aware it exists, but if i ever bought a strain that had the 3 up branching pattern, i'd try and breed it into something 33% more productive for a given space
 

stoned cockatoo

New Member
I had a seedling that started normal then became a triploid at the third node I think it was.

It grew slow and it's structure was real shit so I just culled it
 

hazey grapes

Well-Known Member
if it started normal, then turned triploid, it sounds like a mutation. the one that i grew started out that way from the beginning. the only other possibility i can imagine was that it was a cross expressing both traits. you'd think diploid would dominate though
 
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