Who do you prefer for 2012 President of the USA? If your one vote sealed the deal

Dan Kone said:

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Fun game

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budlover13 said:

Ummm, Paul sure seems "viable" according to the recent primary results.

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UncleBuck said:

then tell me how he will achieve the 1144 he needs.

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UncleBuck said:

then tell me how he will achieve the 1144 he needs.

he won't be viable come later this year. you're kidding yourself if you think he is currently viable.

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UncleBuck said:

then tell me how he will achieve the 1144 he needs.

he won't be viable come later this year. you're kidding yourself if you think he is currently viable.

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budlover13 said:

You cannot discount the 2nd place finishes in Iowa and NH.

Well, i guess YOU can in you anti-Paul mind.

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UncleBuck said:

i am not discounting them. they were the strongest finishes he was capable of and should be acknowledged as such.

high floor and low ceiling. you don't get to 1144 by picking up 5 or 10 delegates in each state.

even ron paul knows he can't win.

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beardo said:

You are discounting the power of Mr,
J. "the body" Ventura

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budlover13 said:

You cannot discount the 2nd place finishes in Iowa and NH.

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Dan Kone said:

You do realize in order to be the nominee he'll actually have to win some states right?

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sync0s said:

You do realize that Ventura was made the enemy of both the Rs and Ds when he was governor and that is the reason why he chose not to run for reelection? He was a good politician when it came to unifying the senate, but it was directed the wrong way.

Why else do you think he has such hatred for the two party system?

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sync0s said:

I thought for sure if you commented it would be that he didn't get 2nd in iowa....

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Originally Posted by Brick Top

.... as simple as peeling a turtle.

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UncleBuck said:

thank you!

it is catching on.

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I like to use the phrase when I can and this sure looked like the perfect chance to use it.

supply side economics have been practiced for over 30 years now, we have seen what happens. wages have been stagnant despite increased productivity and more money has gone to the top. this is not rhetoric, this is verifiable historical fact.

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The problem is that, right now, is the most viable option to turn things around. With that being the case you go with it only for as long as it takes you to re-write things and have something ready and in place to just switch to one day.

The only other options are:

1. Keep doing what has already been tried several times over the last three years now.

(Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.Albert Einstein)





2. Make what would in the end be series of compromised temporary Band-Aid bills past that someone will cram pork spending into or tack on a rider and it ends up being ineffectual and overly costly in the long run. After all,"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies."

yes, obama magically made everyone scared. it wasn't the massive recession we were mired in when he assumed office, it was all just "barack the magic negro" and his magic death beam of uncertainty.

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He did. Through regulations, red tape, delaying major decisions, the uncertainty of what might become of ObamaCare and if ever fully implemented how much more it would cost businesses than they have been lead to believe, since so far it's already raised health care costs 9% rather than keeping it steady, let alone making costs lower like it was promised to do, making statements that are not business friendly, statements that cause confusion and pessimism in business that makes them tighten their belts and sit on large amounts of money that would otherwise be flowing through the economy.

That is what Obama did. Things he tries to claim to have been a success, weren't in the end successes. His cash for clunkers program gave a short term boost to auto sales, but then later there was a good drop-off in sales and it was figured that all that really happened was it was a good enough deal that people who otherwise would have purchased in the near future anyway just moved up the date to get the better deal.

The thing is, the so called "clunkers" were not all really "clunkers" but they were destroyed, which means they did not remain in the market for another owner to get a decent value on a decent vehicle. Here is what followed.

Car buyers on average paid $1,800 more for a used vehicle in July than they paid a year ago at this time, according to Edmunds.com data. That’s a 10.3 percent increase, bringing the average cost of a 3-year-old vehicle to $19,248. The price of a Cadillac Escalade spiked nearly 36 percent. “A lack of confidence in the economy is driving more people to used cars, putting upward pricing pressure on a limited supply of vehicles,” said Joe Spina, a senior analyst for Edmunds. …

Spina said that at this time last year, a troubled economy had consumers buying less- expensive fuel-efficient vehicles and trading in “gas guzzlers” through Cash for Clunkers (more formally known as the Car Allowance Rebate System). “Now, those who need trucks and large SUVs are buying them and in many cases are turning to used vehicles as a way to save money,” he said. ”Prices are high because this demand comes at a time when inventory is low as a result of the current shortage of lease returns and trade-ins for vehicles of this type.” And, he said, while prices are indeed very high now, last year’s prices were low, making the gains even more dramatic.

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In other words, there was real and rational demand for the cars that the Obama administration sent to the grinders. That demand hasn’t stopped, even if tainted with political incorrectness. The top four vehicles for price increases in Edmunds’ used-car tracking are all high-end, larger cars or SUV:

• Cadillac Escalade – 35.6% increase
• Chevy Suburban – +34.2%
• Dodge Grand Caravan – +34%
• BMW X5 – +33%

As predicted last year, the people most hurt by the price increases are those who can least afford them. The used-car market usually attracts people who need transportation on a budget, who cannot afford to buy new. By destroying a quarter’s worth of trade-ins in three weeks and permanently taking them off the market, the Obama administration has forced an artificial inflation by supply restriction. Moreover, they did so by subsidizing new-car sales that would have occurred anyway, eating up three billion dollars in taxpayer money.

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That's most certainly not something that Barry can proudly hang his hat on and point to and say, hey everybody, look how great I did!

When it comes to business, Barry has been wrong at every turn.

i'm sure lowered aggregate demand has NOTHING at all to do with any of this. hell, it's not like aggregate demand has any effect on the economy

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You have put the cart before the horse. A business atmosphere that is not good exists, businesses tighten their belts, which of course means fewer paychecks. Now there are more people whose paycheck was trimmed way down to an unemployment check size. They're not going new car shopping or even buying that 45" or 60" flat screen TV that they were planning on buying prior to being laid off. That equates to fewer items/products sold and that is part of what lower demand is. It's not all just by choice. At times it is a choice made for you.

Other workers see or hear/read about layoffs, both large and small, are taking place in businesses of all sizes and types and they begin to worry how much longer they will have a job. So in case it's not all that long they try to pay down or pay off as much debt as they can or save as much money as they can, and either way that means no pool table for the family room and it wouldn't be a smart time to use the home equity line of credit to have the kitchen or maybe the bathroom, or rooms, totally remolded because you need to lower debt rather than increase it, so the workers who would have done the job have one less job to do, and they suppliers they get everything they would have used for the job(s) aren't ordered. That's also called lower demand. It's by choice so maybe it more reflects true demand, but the two together still add up to a lot of lost sales/income for just about every single type of item or service. When that happens, what does business do? It tightens its belt a little more.

All because of an unfriendly business atmosphere a downward spiral occurs. In a business friendly atmosphere the exact opposite would occur. Economic history has repeatedly proven it to be true.

Sure the system needs fixing, but were about to go down with the ship and unless we decide that we can bring ourselves to use the terrible polluting gasoline powered bilge pumps so we can drain the engine compartment and restart that terrible polluting massive engine and use it at least till we get to where a valid survival plan can be devised and totally ready to be implemented, we're on the bottom.

Right now the economy is a one trick pony and it's not comfortable with doing it's one trick right now. That is Obama's doing.

excellent analysis.

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It would have been, if we lived in some bizarro world where everything worked opposite of how things work here in the real world.

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Dan Kone said:

You do realize in order to be the nominee he'll actually have to win some states right?

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Dan Kone said:

I've tried, believe what you want.

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beardo said:

Mr Ventura is a friend of the people
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sync0s said:

if ron paul gets to the point of selecting a vp candidate, i will bet that it is andrew napalitano.

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sync0s said:

If Ron Paul gets to the point of selecting a VP candidate, I will bet that it is Andrew Napalitano.

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