Who will be the Republican challenger in 2012?

ChChoda

ChChoda

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doobnVA said:
No conservative democrats?

http://www.house.gov/melancon/BlueDogs/

Try again.

Nancy Pelosi is a progressive democrat.

Bernie Sanders is a "self-described" democratic socialist, but does not belong to the Democrat socialist party.
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None. Pelosi and Reid lapdogs, all of them.

Nancy Pelosi is a fascist idiot. And a Democrat too.

At least you can admit that the Democrats are socialists. Bernie Sanders caucuses with them, too, just like I said he did.
 
doobnVA

doobnVA

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Bernie Sanders caucuses with the democrats because his ideology more closely resembles that of the democrats and there is no "independent caucus". Democrat does not equal socialist, sorry to break it to you.

Fascism is the polar opposite of socialism. Maybe you should read a book instead of watching so much television. It's obviously rotting whatever brain you may have once possessed.
 
OregonMeds

OregonMeds

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I have to wonder about Ron Paul being anything other than republican now that I'm thinking about it. Having received help and support for previous campaigns from the republican party and their donors isn't that exactly like owing Brick Top (the one in the movie not the one on here) once you are in their debt, you're in their pocket. You can't play that game as part of either party without owing a whole lot of people a whole lot of favors period.
 
doobnVA

doobnVA

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OregonMeds said:
I have to wonder about Ron Paul being anything other than republican now that I'm thinking about it. Having received help and support for previous campaigns from the republican party and their donors isn't that exactly like owing Brick Top (the one in the movie not the one on here) once you are in their debt, you're in their pocket. You can't play that game as part of either party without owing a whole lot of people a whole lot of favors period.
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Libertarians are just republicans who are smart enough to realize being republican makes one very unpopular these days.
 
ChChoda

ChChoda

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doobnVA said:
Fascism is the polar opposite of socialism. Maybe you should read a book instead of watching so much television. It's obviously rotting whatever brain you may have once possessed.
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Bernie, Bernie, Bernie. I thought there were no socialists in congress?


It's all the same. Socialism, fascism, feudalism, communism, despotism, tyranny... Control in the hands of the few. As opposed to, control in the hands of the many. That latter one, that's called liberty. That's why you enjoyed your weekend. Freedom. Capitalism. Thank you Constitution. Thank you America.
 
Purplekrunchie

Purplekrunchie

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Wavels said:
It's a little premature but I think there are four who have a chance at the nomination.
Tim Pawlenty
Bobby Jindal
Newt Gingrich.
Sarah Palin

However I would dearly like to see Ron Paul run as an independent.
I would like to see an end to the two party system as we know it.
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Oh no, you mean Tim Pawlenty is actually making it to peoples tongues outside of Minnesota?? If he even got close I think id toss myself into a boiling vat of oil!!! This idiot is so out of touch with regular people, and he stopped doing his job so he can thump around testing the presidential waters. He ended a promising bid to make Minnesota a Med. Marijuana state with 1 stroke of his pen too citing law enforcement, he sickens me.
And the only contact you ever get from his office are canned emails, and lies that your email is indeed being forwarded to the proper dept. I never see Ron Pauls name on this list, even though hes a libertarian under the repub banner. He is the only way id ever vote republican.
 
greenearth5

greenearth5

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Ron Paul recieved no donations from any corporations while running for presidency. he relied on good old hard earned money from his indiviual supporters. (if i remember correctly)

OregonMeds said:
I have to wonder about Ron Paul being anything other than republican now that I'm thinking about it. Having received help and support for previous campaigns from the republican party and their donors isn't that exactly like owing Brick Top (the one in the movie not the one on here) once you are in their debt, you're in their pocket. You can't play that game as part of either party without owing a whole lot of people a whole lot of favors period.
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doobnVA

doobnVA

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ChChoda said:
Bernie, Bernie, Bernie. I thought there were no socialists in congress?


It's all the same. Socialism, fascism, feudalism, communism, despotism, tyranny... Control in the hands of the few. As opposed to, control in the hands of the many. That latter one, that's called liberty. That's why you enjoyed your weekend. Freedom. Capitalism. Thank you Constitution. Thank you America.
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If you ask Glenn Beck, they're all the same. In reality, not at all.

Like I said, try reading a book and watching less television. You might actually learn something for a change. I'd start with the dictionary, if I were you. Look up "liberty" first.
 
Iron Lion Zion

Iron Lion Zion

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doobnVA said:
If you ask Glenn Beck, they're all the same. In reality, not at all.

Like I said, try reading a book and watching less television. You might actually learn something for a change. I'd start with the dictionary, if I were you. Look up "liberty" first.
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He used liberty correctly... while it is not the standard definition of it, what he said does work. Don't tell someone to read a dictionary and then mention Glenn Beck in the same breath...

On a side note, I wonder what Obama's slogan will be for his 2nd run... He can't rely on a single word to get him into office anymore so I wonder what he will use.
 
greenearth5

greenearth5

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I like glenn beck somewhat... he seems to have alot of good knowledge and ideas that i like.. like solving our deficit problem.. he talks about how we need to shrink the role and size of the government...
 
doobnVA

doobnVA

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Iron Lion Zion said:
He used liberty correctly... while it is not the standard definition of it, what he said does work. Don't tell someone to read a dictionary and then mention Glenn Beck in the same breath...
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No, he didn't use liberty correctly. He substituted "liberty" for "democracy". They are not the same thing, and they do not mean the same thing.

Maybe both of you should read a dictionary.

Liberty is not "control in the hands of many". Not by any definition of the word.
 
Iron Lion Zion

Iron Lion Zion

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doobnVA said:
No, he didn't use liberty correctly. He substituted "liberty" for "democracy". They are not the same thing, and they do not mean the same thing.

Maybe both of you should read a dictionary.

Liberty is not "control in the hands of many". Not by any definition of the word.
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If decisions are in the hands of many, you have more personal say than if someone tells you what to do. Having more personal say means you have the freedom to make more decisions rather than having someone tell you what to do/what is going to happen. Having more personal decisions to make without being limited by another is freedom. Sure this is also democracy, but he didn't mean for it to be. Words can have more meaning than what the dictionary says.
Learn to think outside of the standard definitions of words before insulting someone.
 
doobnVA

doobnVA

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Iron Lion Zion said:
If decisions are in the hands of many, you have more personal say than if someone tells you what to do. Having more personal say means you have the freedom to make more decisions rather than having someone tell you what to do/what is going to happen. Having more personal decisions to make without being limited by another is freedom. Sure this is also democracy, but he didn't mean for it to be. Words can have more meaning than what the dictionary says.
Learn to think outside of the standard definitions of words before insulting someone.
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LOL! You can't just make up definitions, dude.

What he said was "liberty is control in the hands of the many".

It isn't, unless you fabricate a new definition, like you're trying to do now.
 
Iron Lion Zion

Iron Lion Zion

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doobnVA said:
LOL! You can't just make up definitions, dude.

What he said was "liberty is control in the hands of the many".

It isn't, unless you fabricate a new definition, like you're trying to do now.
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I'm not...
If I have more say in things, how is this not having more freedom? Please explain.
 
ChChoda

ChChoda

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Guess which Republican?

"We all declare for liberty; but in using the same word we do not all mean the same thing. With some the word liberty may mean for each man to do as he pleases with himself, and the product of his labor; while with others, the same word many mean for some men to do as they please with other men, and the product of other men's labor. Here are two, not only different, but incompatible things, called by the same name - liberty. And it follows that each of the things is, by the respective parties, called by two different and incompatible names - liberty and tyranny."

Good old Abe Lincoln, that's who.
 
ChChoda

ChChoda

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doobnVA said:
LOL! You can't just make up definitions, dude.

What he said was "liberty is control in the hands of the many".

It isn't, unless you fabricate a new definition, like you're trying to do now.
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lib·er·ty (l
b
r-t
)n. pl. lib·er·ties
1.
a. The condition of being free from restriction or control.
b. The right and power to act, believe, or express oneself in a manner of one's own choosing.
c. The condition of being physically and legally free from confinement, servitude, or forced labor. See Synonyms at freedom.

2.
Freedom from unjust or undue governmental control.
3.
A right or immunity to engage in certain actions without control or interference: the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights.
4.
a. A breach or overstepping of propriety or social convention. Often used in the plural.
b. A statement, attitude, or action not warranted by conditions or actualities: a historical novel that takes liberties with chronology.
c. An unwarranted risk; a chance: took foolish liberties on the ski slopes.

5. A period, usually short, during which a sailor is authorized to go ashore.

Idiom: at liberty
1.
Not in confinement or under constraint; free.
2.
Not employed, occupied, or in use.

[Middle English liberte, from Old French, from Latin l
bert
s, from l
ber, free; see leudh- in Indo-European roots.]

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

liberty [ˈlɪbətɪ]n pl -ties
1.
the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction
2.
the right or privilege of access to a particular place; freedom
3.
(often plural) a social action regarded as being familiar, forward, or improper
4.
(often plural) an action that is unauthorized or unwarranted in the circumstances he took liberties with the translation
5.
(Transport / Nautical Terms)
a. authorized leave granted to a sailor
b. (as modifier) liberty man liberty boat

at liberty free, unoccupied, or unrestricted

take liberties (with) to be overfamiliar or overpresumptuous

take the liberty (of or to) to venture or presume (to do something)[from Old French liberté, from Latin lībertās, from līber free]



Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged 6th Edition 2003. © William Collins Sons & Co. Ltd 1979, 1986 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003
 
Iron Lion Zion

Iron Lion Zion

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ChChoda said:
lib·er·ty (l
b
r-t
)n. pl. lib·er·ties
1.
a. The condition of being free from restriction or control.
b. The right and power to act, believe, or express oneself in a manner of one's own choosing.
c. The condition of being physically and legally free from confinement, servitude, or forced labor. See Synonyms at freedom.

2.
Freedom from unjust or undue governmental control.
3.
A right or immunity to engage in certain actions without control or interference: the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights.
4.
a. A breach or overstepping of propriety or social convention. Often used in the plural.
b. A statement, attitude, or action not warranted by conditions or actualities: a historical novel that takes liberties with chronology.
c. An unwarranted risk; a chance: took foolish liberties on the ski slopes.

5. A period, usually short, during which a sailor is authorized to go ashore.

Idiom: at liberty
1.
Not in confinement or under constraint; free.
2.
Not employed, occupied, or in use.

[Middle English liberte, from Old French, from Latin l
bert
s, from l
ber, free; see leudh- in Indo-European roots.]

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

liberty [ˈlɪbətɪ]n pl -ties
1.
the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction
2.
the right or privilege of access to a particular place; freedom
3.
(often plural) a social action regarded as being familiar, forward, or improper
4.
(often plural) an action that is unauthorized or unwarranted in the circumstances he took liberties with the translation
5.
(Transport / Nautical Terms)
a. authorized leave granted to a sailor
b. (as modifier) liberty man liberty boat

at liberty free, unoccupied, or unrestricted

take liberties (with) to be overfamiliar or overpresumptuous

take the liberty (of or to) to venture or presume (to do something)[from Old French liberté, from Latin lībertās, from līber free]



Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged 6th Edition 2003. © William Collins Sons & Co. Ltd 1979, 1986 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003
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Here is my gift to you... kiss-ass
 
doobnVA

doobnVA

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I don't see any definition that matches ChChoda's assertion that liberty is "power in the hands of the masses".

Nice try, though.

I bet you two were SUPER in English class. NOT!
 
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