why continually buy seeds?

bootyforusall · Nov 16, 2013

i used to smoke weed from clones until i learned from a pro grower friend that told me clones always have 50% of the original thc of the mother plant so it is trash! bongsmilie

i only smoke the dank from the seeds!! :clap:

CaretakerDad · Nov 16, 2013

bootyforusall said:
i used to smoke weed from clones until i learned from a pro grower friend that told me clones always have 50% of the original thc of the mother plant so it is trash!
i only smoke the dank from the seeds!!

That is total Bullshit and you need better friends

MightyMike530 · Nov 16, 2013

"i only smoke the dank from the seeds!!"

We can at least agree on this!

EverythingsHazy · Nov 16, 2013

MightyMike530 said:
This topic is very interesting to me as I am a noob grower who doesnt like to shell out money for seeds/clones and has no contacts for obtaining seeds/clones for free. I am also hoping to create my own strain by crossbreeding, with the ultimate goal of creating a plant that is as acclimated to my growing area as possible (if possible). Good stuff, now on to my noob questions.

Say I breed a male and a female, and then select males and females from the seeds from the first cross and breed those, how many times can you breed males and females together that originated from the original male/female cross? Is there a set rule, I'm guessing no, but also do the genetics really deteriorate over time, over several interbreedings. That seems to be the nature of things with inbreeding, but has anybody continually bred male and females that originated from the same m/f cross?

How do you select a "superior" male for crossing with females? What qualities do you look for?

What does IBL stand for?

You can keep crossing them forever. thats what happens in the wild. All cannabis plants came from one pair of parents that crossed anyway just like all other plants that are from seed.

Also, once you get to the point where you like a strain you have (from seed or clone), you are bprob better off investing in some CS spray to make fem seeds and save yourself the trouble of culling males after wasting time growing them to preflower

MightyMike530 · Nov 16, 2013

But will the genetics eventually deteriorate through all the inbreeding? Will potency decrease? Some folks claim that potency deteriorates if you take a clone of a clone of a clone, etc. I haven't looked into that enough to have an opinion one way or the other.

Of course, as I progress, I will choose males and females that appear the most vigorous. Anyhow, still unsure of what traits would make one male plant more desirable than another.

I just read about someone using CS to feminize seeds, I guess it is a pretty common practice. Perhaps its the only way to feminize seeds, I don't know. I wonder if you could, somehow, breed a male plant that only produces feminized seeds? I think it might take a while to have crossed plants enough to exhibit the traits I am hoping to maintain.

It will be an interesting journey whatever the result. Hopefully I will end up with something pretty special when its all said and done. My goal is to be as patient as possible and select only plants that exemplify the traits I am after.

silasraven · Nov 17, 2013

GreenSummit said:
some people dont have the space or time to breed. others like trying different strains all the time. some like having a personal seedbank for whatever end of the weed world scenario they have in their head.

and you could be missing something, depending on the strains you are trying to cross/breed, you probably arent going to end up with same quality as the parents, unless you are doing IBLs or landraces. many seeds from breeders are hybrid or polyhybrid now, so chances are every seed you breed with yield a different kind of plant.

just really research your genetics and get stable strains if you want to go this route.

its fucking true, ever gone to the point where you are almost out of weed and you cloned like there was no tomorrow. theres a reason to keep seeds stalked

twistedwords · Dec 15, 2013

Simple answer here, the reason growers don't make their own seed..."LAZY".

For all of the other comments such as breeding and suck will degrade over time, hogwash. What do you think the plant has been doing for a million years or so? DUH!

KushLyle · Dec 19, 2013

There is such a thing as scientific in-breeding and this is what real breeders of marijuana strains do. It cannot be just a shotgun approach
that is why seeds must come from a reliable seedbank or breeder. It is easy to produce seeds on your own but the quality of the hybrid is always suspect if not done scientifically. Just saying

jcdws602 · Dec 19, 2013

KushLyle said:
There is such a thing as scientific in-breeding and this is what real breeders of marijuana strains do. It cannot be just a shotgun approach
that is why seeds must come from a reliable seedbank or breeder. It is easy to produce seeds on your own but the quality of the hybrid is always suspect if not done scientifically. Just saying

Sorry bro but you obviously have never bred any cannabis plants.......the most inexperienced pollen chucker can and do get stellar results.....alot of the hype strains out were made by pollen chucking fools.......

bongbrain · Dec 20, 2013

who ever said that the popular strains of today come from pollen chuckers. the only reason the weed is any good is because someone took out all the bad traits. not all breeders are this smart.

diet coke · Dec 20, 2013

Pollen chucking is fun and a good hobby

I crossed a white widow with berry bomb and the f1's are great. I am now working on getting f3 seeds. I also had 2 stellar plants that I pollinated with the f1 pollen. I have those seeds in dirt now to see how the genetics soup works.

I have 1000 + seeds for my spring grow out doors , all from 6 seeds ordered.

tobinates559 · Jan 6, 2014

im about to chuck my first pollen, after i make my own seeds i want to make f2's,f3's...and so on until it is damn near IBL

GreenSanta · Jan 6, 2014

you can definitely get some nice plants from pollen chucking!! I believe that with the genetics of nowadays, any male you chose is probably better than any males 15 years ago...

ZionEaze (Revolution X Cheese#1)

SpaceGrin (Spacebomb X Dr.Grinspoon)

Another ZionEaze, 12/12 from seed!!!

SpaceChemo (Spacebomb X Chemo)

KushLyle · Jan 17, 2014

Breeding requires scientific understanding..Something that I don't have full grasp of at the moment. Coming up with a stable hybrid from your crossing is already difficult to achieve so as of now I prefer to just buy seeds from my favorite seedbank.

zeerocool · Jan 17, 2014

One thing no one has mentioned is when a plant is grown from a seed it develops a tap root. Clones do not.

Also hybrid crosses contain what's known as hybrid vigor. You will notice faster and larger plants when grown from seed. In f1, f2 seeds you will notice the vigor of the first set is less. Also as with and genetic inbreeding you enhance the not only the good traits but the bad too. So just be selective and detailed when picking the plants you breed.

Cloning is great to keep a steady flow of plants coming in and out of your grow room

Matt420Aus · Jan 17, 2014

GreenSummit said:
some people dont have the space or time to breed. others like trying different strains all the time. some like having a personal seedbank for whatever end of the weed world scenario they have in their head.

and you could be missing something, depending on the strains you are trying to cross/breed, you probably arent going to end up with same quality as the parents, unless you are doing IBLs or landraces. many seeds from breeders are hybrid or polyhybrid now, so chances are every seed you breed with yield a different kind of plant.

just really research your genetics and get stable strains if you want to go this route.

haha i I like your comment about end of the weed world scenario, like the USA TV show doomsday preppers. Maybe I can start a show going round to growers houses and interviewing them about what strains would they store for the end of the world scenario, what bong would they toke out of the moment before an a-bomb was dropped on their head, throw a pound of bud on the table and light it on fire so they could die from smoke affixiation rather than face the end.

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