Will Al Gore Melt?

Wavels

Well-Known Member
I read this this morning, way too funny and pithy to not post here.

However, in all seriousness, where is the debate?
Why are global warming alarmists so like thought police? Hmmmm....



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BY FLEMMING ROSE AND BJORN LOMBORG
Sunday, January 21, 2007 12:01 a.m. EST
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[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica][FONT=Verdana, Times]Al Gore is traveling around the world telling us how we must fundamentally change our civilization due to the threat of global warming. Last week he was in Denmark to disseminate this message. But if we are to embark on the costliest political project ever, maybe we should make sure it rests on solid ground. It should be based on the best facts, not just the convenient ones. This was the background for the biggest Danish newspaper, Jyllands-Posten, to set up an investigative interview with Mr. Gore. And for this, the paper thought it would be obvious to team up with Bjorn Lomborg, author of "The Skeptical Environmentalist," who has provided one of the clearest counterpoints to Mr. Gore's tune.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica][FONT=Verdana, Times]The interview had been scheduled for months. The day before the interview Mr. Gore's agent thought Gore-meets-Lomborg would be great. Yet an hour later, he came back to tell us that Bjorn Lomborg should be excluded from the interview because he's been very critical of Mr. Gore's message about global warming and has questioned Mr. Gore's evenhandedness. According to the agent, Mr. Gore only wanted to have questions about his book and documentary, and only asked by a reporter. These conditions were immediately accepted by Jyllands-Posten. Yet an hour later we received an email from the agent saying that the interview was now cancelled. What happened?[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica][FONT=Verdana, Times]One can only speculate. But if we are to follow Mr. Gore's suggestions of radically changing our way of life, the costs are not trivial. If we slowly change our greenhouse gas emissions over the coming century, the U.N. actually estimates that we will live in a warmer but immensely richer world. However, the U.N. Climate Panel suggests that if we follow Al Gore's path down toward an environmentally obsessed society, it will have big consequences for the world, not least its poor. In the year 2100, Mr. Gore will have left the average person 30% poorer, and thus less able to handle many of the problems we will face, climate change or no climate change.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica][FONT=Verdana, Times]Clearly we need to ask hard questions. Is Mr. Gore's world a worthwhile sacrifice? But it seems that critical questions are out of the question. It would have been great to ask him why he only talks about a sea-level rise of 20 feet. In his movie he shows scary sequences of 20-feet flooding Florida, San Francisco, New York, Holland, Calcutta, Beijing and Shanghai. But were realistic levels not dramatic enough? The U.N. climate panel expects only a foot of sea-level rise over this century. Moreover, sea levels actually climbed that much over the past 150 years. Does Mr. Gore find it balanced to exaggerate the best scientific knowledge available by a factor of 20?[/FONT][/FONT]

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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica][FONT=Verdana, Times]Mr. Gore says that global warming will increase malaria and highlights Nairobi as his key case. According to him, Nairobi was founded right where it was too cold for malaria to occur. However, with global warming advancing, he tells us that malaria is now appearing in the city. Yet this is quite contrary to the World Health Organization's finding. Today Nairobi is considered free of malaria, but in the 1920s and '30s, when temperatures were lower than today, malaria epidemics occurred regularly. Mr. Gore's is a convenient story, but isn't it against the facts?[/FONT][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica][FONT=Verdana, Times]He considers Antarctica the canary in the mine, but again doesn't tell the full story. He presents pictures from the 2% of Antarctica that is dramatically warming and ignores the 98% that has largely cooled over the past 35 years. The U.N. panel estimates that Antarctica will actually increase its snow mass this century. Similarly, Mr. Gore points to shrinking sea ice in the Northern Hemisphere, but don't mention that sea ice in the Southern Hemisphere is increasing. Shouldn't we hear those facts? Mr. Gore talks about how the higher temperatures of global warming kill people. He specifically mentions how the European heat wave of 2003 killed 35,000. But he entirely leaves out how global warming also means less cold and saves lives. Moreover, the avoided cold deaths far outweigh the number of heat deaths. For the U.K. it is estimated that 2,000 more will die from global warming. But at the same time 20,000 fewer will die of cold. Why does Mr. Gore tell only one side of the story?[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica][FONT=Verdana, Times]Al Gore is on a mission. If he has his way, we could end up choosing a future, based on dubious claims, that could cost us, according to a U.N. estimate, $553 trillion over this century. Getting answers to hard questions is not an unreasonable expectation before we take his project seriously. It is crucial that we make the right decisions posed by the challenge of global warming. These are best achieved through open debate, and we invite him to take the time to answer our questions: We are ready to interview you any time, Mr. Gore--and anywhere.[/FONT][/FONT]
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medicineman

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BY FLEMMING ROSE AND BJORN LOMBORG
The truth may lie somewhere between Gores extreme view and Lomborgs corporate view, but the truth is very likely to exact change if we want to survive. With China (A billion +) coming to life, and wanting all things western, some changes will surely need to be made. It's hard to imagine we might have to give up some of the luxuries of western culture if we want a decent world for our grandchildren, but it will show what we are made of. If we can act responsibly, maybe the society has a chance
 

ViRedd

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BY FLEMMING ROSE AND BJORN LOMBORG
The truth may lie somewhere between Gores extreme view and Lomborgs corporate view, but the truth is very likely to exact change if we want to survive. With China (A billion +) coming to life, and wanting all things western, some changes will surely need to be made. It's hard to imagine we might have to give up some of the luxuries of western culture if we want a decent world for our grandchildren, but it will show what we are made of. If we can act responsibly, maybe the society has a chance
I would imagine that would include junking old cars and big block, gas guzzling engines, would it not?

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medicineman

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I would imagine that would include junking old cars and big block, gas guzzling engines, would it not?

I drive it a quarter mile at a time, actually a half mile as I have to return to the start, man you don't know nothin! Those fumes that emit from my hot-rod are pure ambrosia, when you sit on the starting line with the convertor stalled against the brake and your waiting for the green light, the smell is pure adrenalized. the moment the light turns green, the huge surge of power lifts the front wheels in the air and your off on a wild 10 second ride, culminating in a 122mph trap speed, Yeehaw! you'll never know the thrill! If they outlaw race cars, there will be a major depression!
 

7xstall

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al gore is the perfect mouthpiece for a movement based entirely on un-observed claims and imaginative cataclysms... it's also people like him (documented liars) who bask in the spotlight/mitigate any chance of having the issues taken seriously by most people.
 

medicineman

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al gore is the perfect mouthpiece for a movement based entirely on un-observed claims and imaginative cataclysms... it's also people like him (documented liars) who bask in the spotlight/mitigate any chance of having the issues taken seriously by most people. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and that is certainly opinion not fact. I don't mind you bashing Gore, I feel him too mundane to be President, but the realm of global warming is here, you can either accept it and do something, or argue against it and do nothing, your choice. Just remember what you are leaving for your grandchildren might not be what you thought!
 

7xstall

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he shouldn't even be fooling around with any of this, all i'm saying is he poisons the well. he is a grandstanding fool and he's in the way of the truth.

once we take this out of the "movement" category and put it into the "fact" arena it will go a long way toward changing things for the better.
 

medicineman

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he shouldn't even be fooling around with any of this, all i'm saying is he poisons the well. he is a grandstanding fool and he's in the way of the truth.

once we take this out of the "movement" category and put it into the "fact" arena it will go a long way toward changing things for the better.
Facts is facts and they don't change people like Dubyas' mind in the least, without a movement the war in Viet Nam would still be going on. Movements change some of the real small minded folks minds, those people in the red states in the middle of nowhere need movements to wake them the fuck up!
 

7xstall

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if i wanted a movement to make a difference i wouldn't put a politically neutered yet still polarizing figure in front of it...
 

medicineman

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if i wanted a movement to make a difference i wouldn't put a politically neutered yet still polarizing figure in front of it...
Not all people are as astute as you, they see Gore as the president that got fucked out of the presidency by the supreme court and that bunch of crooked politicians in florida (Jeb Bush etc.). They actually have this human quality called empathy, and feel obligated to listen to a man that should have been president.
 

Dankdude

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Gore Lost it a long time ago... I believe you may be right though, he would have been a mundane president.
But as a vice president he was able to spell POTATO unlike Dan Quayle
 

7xstall

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come on Dank, surely you can come up with a more significant political gaff that the mispelling of a rarely used word can't you? what about pure reasoning (in)ability, such as:

"If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure."

"I am not part of the problem. I am a Democrat."

"[It's] time for the human race to enter the solar system."

and that great, foot in mouth incident that would forever belittle the man many democrats to this day adore as their true president, even after calling to concede, calling to unconcede then conceding again, but following up with a law suit:

"As many of you know, I was very instrumental in the founding of the Internet" lol
 
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