Will Al Gore Melt?

Dankdude

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Lake Sediments


Findings from analysis of lake sediments reinforces those from seabed sediments. Some examples:

In Switzerland, the remains of tiny aquatic creatures in the sediments of Lake Neufchatel showed Swiss temperatures fell by 1.5° C during the shift from the Medieval Warming to the Little Ice Age.34 The authors note that mean annual temperatures during the warming were “on average higher than at present.”

In southwest Alaska, the University of Illinois’ F. S. Hu analyzed the silica produced by living organisms, organic carbon and organic nitrogen in lake sediments. He found the climate shifts have been similar in the subpolar regions of both the North Atlantic and North Pacific — “possibly because of sun-ocean-climate linkages.”35

In West Africa, sediments from Cameroon’s Lake Ossa show that the climate oscillates with the 1,500-year cycle in the northern and southern movements of the Intertropical Convergence Zone.36 Francis Nguetsop of the French National Museum of Natural History says his lake sediment core showed southward shifts of the zone were marked by low precipitation in the northern subtropics (Nigeria and Ghana) and high precipitation in the subequatorial zone (Zaire and Tanzania).37

In East Africa,Belgium’s DirkVerschuren built an 1,100-year rainfall-drought history for Kenya’s Lake Naivasha, based on 1) sediments, 2) fossil diatoms and 3) midge species and numbers.38 “In tropical Africa,” Verschuren says, “the data indicate that, over the past millennium, equatorial east Africa has alternated between contrasting climate conditions, with significantly drier climate than today during the ‘Medieval Warm Period’ (1000–1270) and a relatively wet climate during the ‘Little Ice Age’ (1270–1850) that was interrupted by three prolonged dry episodes.”

In Africa’s Central Highlands, sediment cores from Lake Victoria show a 1,400- to 1,500-year spacing of precipitation-evaporation fluctuations over the past 10,000 years.39

In a lake high on Mount Kenya, Weizmann Institute researchers retrieved a six-foot core of sediment that accumulated between 2250 B.C. and A.D. 750. The team analyzed the ratio of oxygen isotopes in the algae skeletons (called biogenic opal). The largest anomaly was a rapid warming — 4° C — during the 800 years between 350 B.C. and A.D. 450, reflecting a warmer climate in equatorial East Africa.40 Was this the Roman Warming? The researchers noted warming during the same period in the Swedish part of Lapland and in the northeastern St. Elias Mountains of Alaska and the Canadian Yukon.

In Central America, near the abandoned Mayan cities, lake sediment cores testify to a prolonged drought during the cold Dark Ages that may have caused the collapse of the entire Mayan culture.41 A team from the University of Florida, led by David Hodell, recently confirmed evidence of a Yucatan drought from 800 to 1000, based on the gypsum levels in a core from the muddy bottom of ancient Lake Chichancanab.42

Seabed cores from the Cariaco Basin just off the Venezuelan coast (in the same climatic region) echo the Mayan drought. Gerald Haug of the University of Southern California and Konrad Hughen of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute analyzed titanium concentrations; more titanium was associated with more rainfall.43

Mayan cities thrived in the Yucatan lowlands for 1,000 years — mostly during the Roman Warming era. In the cold Dark Ages, however, the Mayans suffered at least 100 years of low rainfall, punctuated by periods of three to nine years in a row with little or no rainfall.
 

Dankdude

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In Argentina, a study of saline lake sediments from a high volcanic plateau found that rainfall and climate changed sharply when the world shifted from warm to cool and back again. The study team concluded, “The Little Ice Age stands as a significant climatic event in the Altiplano and South Amer-ica.”44

More Global Connections. A remarkable similarity in weather patterns has been documented for southeastern Africa’s Lake Malawi and the Cariaco Basin off the coast of Venezuela. Researchers studied sediment layers in Lake Malawi, and reconstructed a climate record by comparing the algae fossils and ratios of niobium to titanium over 25,000 years.45 More niobium indicated a dryer climate with the Intertropical Convergence Zone shifted to the south, so more volcanic ash was wind-blown from north of the lake. Knowing that both Lake Malawi and the Caribbean are impacted by the ITCZ, they found the reconstructed Malawi climate history “remarkably similar” to that of the Cariaco Basin since the Late Glacial period. They also found that the Lake Malawi record was often anti-phased to the Greenland climate record.

In central Chile, geochemicals, sediments and algae cyst populations from Laguna Aculeo showed a major increase in floods during 400 B.C. to A.D.200 (the pre-Roman cold era), 500 to 700 (the Dark Ages) and from 1300 to 1700 (the Little Ice Age). During cooling periods, westerly winds bring additional rainfall to the lake.46

Near Antarctica,on Signy Island, lake sediments clearly show the Roman Warming and the Dark Ages, the Medieval Warming, the Little Ice Age and the 20th century warming — which is cooler to date than the Medieval Warming.47
 

Dankdude

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Cave Stalagmites

On the Arabian Peninsula, a stalagmite study also emphasized the “globalness” of climate. Germany’s Ulrich Neff found oxygen-18 isotopes yielded a very precise record of the 1,500-year climate cycle in the region’s monsoon rainfall. Neff says the monsoons were considerably stronger during the Climate Optimum (5,000 to 7,000 years ago), which also produced an era of heavy rainfall in the Sahel regions of Africa, in Arabia and in India. The Oman stalagmite’s cycles were also in phase with the temperature fluctuations recorded in Greenland ice cores 10,000 years ago, indicating that both were then controlled by glacial boundaries. Since the melt-off of the huge ice sheets, however, the stalagmite proxy says the Indian Ocean monsoon has been governed by variations in solar activity instead.52

In China, researchers analyzed a cave stalagmite near Beijing using the manganese/strontium ratio as a “geochemical thermometer.”53 The team found a strong warming from 700 to 1000, corresponding to the Medieval Warm Period, which may have reached China earlier than Europe. From 1500 to 1800, the air temperature was about 1.2° C lower than now.

In South Africa, a cave stalagmite from the Makapansgat Valley shows that the Medieval Warming started before 1000 and lasted until around 1300. [See Figure III.] Temperatures there may have been 3 to 4° C higher than at present. The Little Ice Age in the region extended from around 1300 to 1800, and was about 1° C cooler than today.54 The lowest temperatures were recorded during the Maunder and Sporer minimums when low sunspot counts indicated low solar activity. The same South African stalagmite revealed cold periods in the cave region between 800 and 200 B.C. — corresponding to the unnamed cooling period before the Roman Warming.55 (The stalagmite doesn’t show unusual warming in the 20th century.)

In New Zealand, the oxygen-18 isotopes in a stalagmite show the coldest recent period was 1600 to 1700, following exceptionally warm temperatures from 1200 to 1400.56 A. T. Wilson and Chris Hendy of New Zealand’s Waikato University state specifically that since their country is “in the Southern Hemisphere and a region meteorologically separated from Europe,” finding the Medieval Warming and the Little Ice Age there demonstrates they are “not just a local European phenomenon.”
 

Dankdude

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Fossilized Pollen

In northwestern Spain, pollen analysis from 3,000 years of sediments in the Ria de Vigo shows an alternation of three relatively cold periods with three relatively warm episodes. The research team concluded that “a millennial-scale climatic cyclicity over the last 3,000 years is detected for the first time in northwest Iberia, paralleling global climatic changes recorded in North Atlantic marine records.”57

In East Africa, pollen data from the bottom of Kenya’s Lake Naivasha showed a two-century drought during the warming period from 980 to 1200.58 The lake’s water levels fell to their lowest point in 1,000 years, while the vegetation shifted strongly away from woody plant species toward more grasses.


In Peru, declining amounts of fossilized pollen in a 4,000-year core from a lake bed indicate declining vegetation (and rainfall) for several centuries after A.D. 100 —when the Roman Warming gave way to the Dark Ages.59 After 900, increased pollen indicated greater numbers of plants and warmer temperatures, followed by the Little Ice Age and another pollen decline.
 

medicineman

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More Global Connections. You can post this crap from now till doomsday if you are so inclined. I will still contend that man in his ultimate ignorance has had a hand in this climate change. Man has produced so much heat from his effluences that it could not help but change the global temps. Just the fact that there are 6+ billion people breathing elevated temps. (above the surrounding temps) could inflate it, let alone all the fossil fueled energy plants and even Nukes generate heat, and then you have millions of cars with 700+ degree exhaust temps running all over the globe, hell a fart is even above the mean temp, Natural gas heaters etc, every time you open your front door in winter, some heat escapes, what about the heat that goes up your chimney or the flue in gas fired heaters, come on now, you really can't believe that 6+ billion people have had no effect on global warming, shake that sand out!
 

7xstall

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Tell me why it is going to be in the 90s in LA in february! Tell me why there are killer tornados in central florida in January-february. tell me why there are killer hurricanes in the south East one year and none the next. Tell me why the ice caps and glaciers are melting at a rate not seen since recorded history. You wanna know why, global warming! You head in the sand folks can blame it on 1500 year cycles if you want, but it is still real. Maybe instead of sitting on your hands, you might try and figure out a way to reverse it. Maybe we'll have to give up some of the luxuries we enjoy, boy would that cause a stir among the soccer moms and all the stinking yuppies, spoiled little rich kids with nothing better to do than figure out how to consume more, yeah that would piss them off. "What, you mean I have to give up something to save life as we know it on the planet, Absured"!


Tell me why the ice caps and glaciers are melting at a rate not seen since recorded history.

the history of which you speak is only a few decades long, not much for the basis of gathering evidence.

the observation of several severe storms then none has an obvious cause; the excess atmospheric energy was spent on those major storms med. energy is like that in a closed system. you would want to worry if we had year after year of severe storms, that would indicate something unusual going on.

we have to be honest and admit that we know very very little about how this planet works. we hardly understand atoms, have almost no clue about complex molecules but we have some firm grasp on billions of interdependent energy systems involving different states of matter and we can factor in variables like solar weather too?

someone has their head in the sand and is looking to blame us greedy, ignorant, war mongering Americans for somethng dreadful again....
 

7xstall

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More Global Connections. You can post this crap from now till doomsday if you are so inclined. I will still contend that man in his ultimate ignorance has had a hand in this climate change. Man has produced so much heat from his effluences that it could not help but change the global temps. Just the fact that there are 6+ billion people breathing elevated temps. (above the surrounding temps) could inflate it, let alone all the fossil fueled energy plants and even Nukes generate heat, and then you have millions of cars with 700+ degree exhaust temps running all over the globe, hell a fart is even above the mean temp, Natural gas heaters etc, every time you open your front door in winter, some heat escapes, what about the heat that goes up your chimney or the flue in gas fired heaters, come on now, you really can't believe that 6+ billion people have had no effect on global warming, shake that sand out!

med, seriously, lay off the kool aid, it's time to go home chief.

what about volcanoes like the one that blew my house up? they put more "pollution" out than all industrial nations combined. swamps, they generate methane on a large scale. what about lightening and forest fires?



nukes release heat in the earth all the time, why not put some water on it and use the steam to turn a generator?????

we are tiny, we are so tiny.
 

Dankdude

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Med you have a core assumption that Man has ultimate power over all things.
This just isn't so. Environmentalist overemphasize mans importance
 

medicineman

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Med you have a core assumption that Man has ultimate power over all things.
This just isn't so. Environmentalist overemphasize mans importance
I wonder how a nuclear holocast would affect the global temps? We might get a chance to find out in the near future. Then I'll bet you guys will change your minds, that is if there are any minds left!
 

Dankdude

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Apples and oranges med, until that actually happens man is insignificant in the scheme of things....

Instead of discounting anything I posted, try reading it first....

AL GORE DIDN'T INVENT THE INTERNET!!!!!!!
MANBEARPIG DOESN'T EGSIST!!!!!
THE SCIENCE THAT AL GORE BASES HIS MOVIE ON IS FLAWED!!!!!
 

Dankdude

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If it makes you comfortable to run around like chicken little, screaming at the top of your lungs "The Sky is Falling", By all means do so.....
I need the entertainment.
 

medicineman

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If it makes you comfortable to run around like chicken little, screaming at the top of your lungs "The Sky is Falling", By all means do so.....
I need the entertainment.
well there's the real possibility of your grandkids not agreeing with you, but that is your business. As far as this arguement, I'll be dead and gone in 20+ years, so it probably won't affect me, and If you guys want to live in denial, go ahead. I think I remember you Dank being dead against the second hand smoke issue also, and I believe you finally came to your senses, but I am only glad to see some progress in admitting our fallibilities, not trying to chide anyone on this subject, maybe someday you will see that, look Ma, there really was a point to mans' contribution to global warming, and again maybe not. I'm not going to change my mind as I've seen that science can be bought by both sides, so I infuse some precious "common sense" and keep on trucking!
 

Dankdude

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I quit smoking because it was no longer economically feasible for me.... They tacked on an additional $1.00 tax on it and I could no longer absorb that cost.

I still am against second hand smoke issues.

But what if you are wrong with YOUR assumptions on Global Warming?
Will you feel foolish in retrospect?

Personally I think a Volcano puts out more greenhouse gasses than man could ever do in 10,000 years. But since it is naturally done, environmentalist ignore that fact and say man is causing it... There are no absolutes .


The below is the only Absolute:

 

medicineman

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I would rather admit my fraility and foolishness while trying to tame the beast, then to do nothing and be right! Now you can continue with this topic ad-infinitum, I am no longer interested!
 

Dankdude

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sorry if I hurt your feelings.

As far as secondhand smoke issues, I'm against anything that is designed to take away someones personal rights.
 

medicineman

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As far as secondhand smoke issues, I'm against anything that is designed to take away someones personal rights. Is it not my right to be free from a toxic carcinogen being bandied about by smokers? If you want to smoke, do it at home. It has no place in a public venue, there are babies that have to breath that shite in public, no public smoking period. Would they let you walk around with a can of nerve gas spraying it in the air everywhere you went? I think not. there must be some control on second hand smoke.
 

Dankdude

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The point is that no smoking ordnances should not be forced upon owners of businesses if they choose to allow smoking.
If smoking is allowed in an establishment don't go in there med.
 
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