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jawbrodt

jawbrodt

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Okay, here's my theory.....


...when flushing, we are removing the excess nutes, etc....from the entire plant, not just the fan leaves. They just happen to be the first place to become depleted, visibly. For example,....if we'd start flushing alot earlier, the buds would eventually turn yellow, too. IMO, it's a balancing act, because if you flush too early, it'll deplete the plant, stopping it from getting to it's full potential. On the other hand, if you wait too long, you'll end up with excess nutes, etc....left in the plant/buds. Personally, I think 2 weeks is too long to flush, because you're likely losing some unknown quantity of growth/maturity, once the plant has begun starving. I rarely flush. I only flush, if I feel that the soil is particularly contaminated. Otherwise, I just switch to plain water, for the last 3-10 days, depending on what my plant is telling me. If it's really green, I switch to water a little earlier, and vice-versa.
 
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Illumination

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fruitrollup said:
let me guess... you like your nuggets dense and un flushed! better go vote and join the most retarded shit ive ever heard
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If you go and read your fluffy thread you will see I voted fluffy...not for your reasons but for mine..as I prefer sativas for the headier buzz...but for my current lil closet grow I chose an indica biased hybrid with the sativa type high qualities. . . If all you are here to do is stir s&%t then please go elsewhere:joint:

riddleme said:
Don't feed the troll just ignore him, if he keeps it up I will report it
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Sorry my friend but I had to show him he doesn't know what he is talking about because he implied that I prefer dense nugs to fluffy when I voted in HIS poll previously that I prefer FLUFFY! He doesn't even research his own poll before he mouths off so therefore this exemplifies that he does not research at all, so is full of ignorance stupidity and a total waste of everyone's time...


Ok done ranting...smoking a bowl and life is good...thanks teach....needed that...

Namaste' to all...even to you fruit:peace: :eyesmoke:
 
racerboy71

racerboy71

bud bootlegger
i agree with riddleme on this one.. i don't flush my plants and i use chemical ferts, fox farms to be exact, and my buds surely don't taste like chemicals.. if your not over feeding your plants and only giving them what they need to grow and flourish, were is this build up of salts coming from? i could possible understand the need to flush in a hydro setup where one is constantly feeding the plants nutes several times a day, but in soil, i just don't see the need to flush.. i only feed my plants once or twice a week, so i don't really see how much salts are being built up.. and why one would want to starve their plants of vital nutes during the last two weeks of growth when you usually have a nice swell and alot the terpines mature is well beyond me..
 
lovemug

lovemug

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i dont think you can compare an outdoor grow with an indoor grow as far as flushing would be concerned. mother natures takes care of herself alot better than any indoor grow could. when plants are outside they have full reign for thier roots to concure. inside they are confined to a much smaller area.
 
lime73

lime73

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That was one of the best threads that I have read so far...still new here,and have allot more research to do, and I to have been confused as to the process of flushing, among other things..:roll: but more so the understanding of how it all works.
To many conflicting people that ramble one about who is right and who is wrong, this thread was very educational to me on how it all works and wow...That is True Wisdom let me tell you. Very thought out discussion and I want to say thanks for the info. Wish more people would take the time to read more and do less...just seem like as soon as somebody says one thing that they have a heard, people are jumping to do it like right Now...instead of absorbing some of the information, and trying to better understand it, they would rather do it, not even realizing that they might be doing the wrong thing for their plant at that time... hope I'm not rambling here.
I am no expert and I have made many mistakes in my time but would like be able to have discussions like the one Here... not bitching like school children at the park.
I wish more threads could be like this one and I will continue looking for them as I would like to be able to understand what it is I am doing to best of my abilities and have allot to learn...need to talk to people like you to really be Successful! Anyways enough of that blah blah blah...sorry if I'm not making any sense here but I find it difficult getting out what I'm trying to say sometimes. Hope I didn't intrude but THANK-YOU Riddleme for the AWESOME discussion! + rep to you my friend!!!:peace:

Is there more threads like this I can read that you could suggest??? Anything I don't mind reading and learning! Thanks
 
Magnificient

Magnificient

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Is there more threads like this I can read that you could suggest??? Anything I don't mind reading and learning! Thanks


Just click go on search, then use advanced search for riddleme...they're all good posts. Also check out Roseman if you're into hydroponics. By reading these you'll be able to find other people with really good posts.
 
Viagro

Viagro

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Can I flush on soil?

You should avoid watering more than normal and having a lot of run-off in soil grows. Heavy watering or flushing/rinsing the soil can cause bud mold (run-off also washes out nutrients). Instead, give the plants their daily requirements and water at the start of the light cycle. Even if they let the leaves hang a bit now and then in the final 10+ days it's better than over-watering at this stage.

In principle you should never have to flush in soil cultivation. It leads to all sorts of complications like waterlogged soil, nutrient run-off, fungus, etc.

If you already know you have made a mistake like over-watering, always wait for plant health to improve before taking steps further with feeding, etc. You can't "cure" anything with feeding unless there is a real nutrient deficiency at hand. You won't get a nutrient deficiency in soil if plants are in quality soil, have an adequate container size, and the pH of your water is OK. If the pH of your water is not within range you need to correct it... feeding would only stress the plants even more because they can't take up the nutrients in a substrate watered with a wrong pH.

Flushing your soil prior to harvest does NOT improve aroma and taste of the buds. It DOES increase chances of getting bud mold within 48 hours and can easily lead to other fungal infections which threaten your crop. The smart way to increase aroma is to buy quality soil and mix it with beneficial aroma enhancers such as worm manure and compost. Rinsing substrates should only be applied to hydroponic cultivations. The idea is to water with a very low EC, special ripening products, or only pure water a few days or a week prior to harvest - again, there should be no need to flush large amounts of water through the system. In coco coir this can also lead to a soggy substrate and increase the risk of bud mold.
 
riddleme

riddleme

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Viagro said:
Can I flush on soil?

You should avoid watering more than normal and having a lot of run-off in soil grows. Heavy watering or flushing/rinsing the soil can cause bud mold (run-off also washes out nutrients). Instead, give the plants their daily requirements and water at the start of the light cycle. Even if they let the leaves hang a bit now and then in the final 10+ days it's better than over-watering at this stage.

In principle you should never have to flush in soil cultivation. It leads to all sorts of complications like waterlogged soil, nutrient run-off, fungus, etc.

If you already know you have made a mistake like over-watering, always wait for plant health to improve before taking steps further with feeding, etc. You can't "cure" anything with feeding unless there is a real nutrient deficiency at hand. You won't get a nutrient deficiency in soil if plants are in quality soil, have an adequate container size, and the pH of your water is OK. If the pH of your water is not within range you need to correct it... feeding would only stress the plants even more because they can't take up the nutrients in a substrate watered with a wrong pH.

Flushing your soil prior to harvest does NOT improve aroma and taste of the buds. It DOES increase chances of getting bud mold within 48 hours and can easily lead to other fungal infections which threaten your crop. The smart way to increase aroma is to buy quality soil and mix it with beneficial aroma enhancers such as worm manure and compost. Rinsing substrates should only be applied to hydroponic cultivations. The idea is to water with a very low EC, special ripening products, or only pure water a few days or a week prior to harvest - again, there should be no need to flush large amounts of water through the system. In coco coir this can also lead to a soggy substrate and increase the risk of bud mold.
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chock full of bad info, simply amazing the crap that is out there, even worse is folks accepting it because of the source. Just check any of my grow threads, since I actually flush everytime I water and have incredible results, oh yeah I've also NEVER had bud mold LOL
 
Viagro

Viagro

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riddleme said:
chock full of bad info, simply amazing the crap that is out there, even worse is folks accepting it because of the source. Just check any of my grow threads, since I actually flush everytime I water and have incredible results, oh yeah I've also NEVER had bud mold LOL
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Yeah, Mike at Mandala Seeds doesn't know what he's talking about...he's just a master grower and well-respected breeder.

Sheesh.
 
riddleme

riddleme

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Viagro said:
Yeah, Mike at Mandala Seeds doesn't know what he's talking about...he's just a master grower and well-respected breeder.

Sheesh.
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Yeah and growers like myself and Uncle Ben don't know anything, and people reading our threads and actually learning to grow are getting it all wrong LOL I don't need to argue as the proof of what I say is clear in the pics from my grows
 
SCARHOLE

SCARHOLE

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Hell yeah RiddleME


Remember the old days no one flushed MJ.
It became popular when Organics became the trend to try an improve taste (90s?).
An chemical fertz became the devil.


I dont mess with flushing, I couldnt taste any difference in the weed when i did my own comparisons. (This summer an last grow)
The plants fertilized to the end in my outdoor grow were denser IMHO.
I also use MG nutes (an love em). No chemical taste.
Feed an flush an there are no salts built up?

People agree that Girdeling, puncturing stem an stressing before harvest isnt good.
SO why is stress from lack of nutes any different?

I want my ladies to keep producing flowers an trics an growing tell the day I cut her down. If I can.
Especialy when Im using UVB to try an increase trics.

In my cab taste is mainly dertmined by Gentics an dry/cure.
Good gentetics + slowly dry/ cure = good taste.

P.S. Ive been expermenting with mirrors in my lil cab. Love em.
 
allywado

allywado

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I am also a very logic minded person but i dont know much about this topic. using deductive reasoning i would have to say that if it does infact make it taste better when you flush then i can imagine that once the buds have sucked up the nutes from the leaves the nutes disopate quicker as there must be a lot less nutes in the leaves than what was being fed to the plants. just my high theory :D
 
Wolverine97

Wolverine97

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riddleme said:
Yeah and growers like myself and Uncle Ben don't know anything, and people reading our threads and actually learning to grow are getting it all wrong LOL I don't need to argue as the proof of what I say is clear in the pics from my grows
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Just keep in mind, Mandala is probably referring to a true "soil" grower, not using modified soil-less gardening. There is, as you know, a big difference. Actual soil can get waterlogged pretty easily if not heavily modified to improve drainage.
 
Longtimetoker

Longtimetoker

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Hello Riddle, I’ve read most of your threads including the posts you made in UBs threads. I’m an old school gardener myself and get a good laugh from most of what I read on RIU but there are a few people like yourself that are spot on!
At the beginning of this thread there was some discussion about organic and inorganic nutrients. Inorganic being called chemicals or salts and some posts using the terms as if chemical salts were something entirely different from organic nutrients. Below is a quote I would like to share with those folks who don’t know the difference between “organic” and “inorganic” nutrients.


Botany for Gardeners by Brian Capon, 3rd edition, p174, Mineral Nutrient Needs

“Whether such minerals are obtained from organic sources (composted vegetable matter, for example) or inorganic forms (commercial, crystalline, or liquid blends of chemicals), the mineral elements are the same. The principal difference between the two sources is that decomposing organic matter slowly releases small quantities of unspecific minerals into the soil, whereas inorganic fertilizers are concentrations of selected elements prepared for immediate and clearly defined uses.”
 
riddleme

riddleme

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Longtimetoker said:
Hello Riddle, I’ve read most of your threads including the posts you made in UBs threads. I’m an old school gardener myself and get a good laugh from most of what I read on RIU but there are a few people like yourself that are spot on!
At the beginning of this thread there was some discussion about organic and inorganic nutrients. Inorganic being called chemicals or salts and some posts using the terms as if chemical salts were something entirely different from organic nutrients. Below is a quote I would like to share with those folks who don’t know the difference between “organic” and “inorganic” nutrients.


Botany for Gardeners by Brian Capon, 3rd edition, p174, Mineral Nutrient Needs

“Whether such minerals are obtained from organic sources (composted vegetable matter, for example) or inorganic forms (commercial, crystalline, or liquid blends of chemicals), the mineral elements are the same. The principal difference between the two sources is that decomposing organic matter slowly releases small quantities of unspecific minerals into the soil, whereas inorganic fertilizers are concentrations of selected elements prepared for immediate and clearly defined uses.”
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Thank you for the share, I keep tryin to tell folks that for what we do in terms of hyper driving these plants that chem nutes are better for control, when hyper driving it is us that should be in the drivers seat, not completely possible with organics. I have never condemned them I simply prefer being in control LOL it is so difficult to swade herd mentallity, but one I have been aware of for many years is the herd hardly ever gets it right when there is a choice. even more difficult in this forum where there so much bad/distorted info, happy to see another logical soul here :)
 
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Yeah Right

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My two cents as a new grower, but a 41 year old coming from a gardening back ground. I made tons of mistakes during my last grow but still ended up with decent yield and potency. I just simply cut quit feeding nutrients the last couple weeks. Well, really soon, more fan leaves than I was comfortable with were yellowing and dropping fast. I actually added a small amount of N late flower. It slowed the yellowing and dropping but I also think it cost yield. It's simple high school botany. Plants use leaves to convert solar energy through photosynthesis. It's just that simple. It's like a human dieting AND training for a sport? Michael Phelps could not build or maintain the muscle mass to be a champion swimmer if you cut his energy intake. You cut the energy for the building blocks and no more building blocks. Do you see any other fruit farmer starving the plant before harvest? Common sense.......Now, magazine articles and headlines sell magazines. Well placed products in said magazines pay bills. So nutrient company X says I've got this magic product you add at this qty of water and use for this duration. The author got paid (maybe the nute guy is his buddy) the magazine got paid and could go to print. The company mentioned in the article sells product. A guy reads it.....bad ass magazine pics to PROVE it it's better. He tries it, swears by it (but it's probably the other 14 things he changed in his grow). Word of mouth ends up being a post. Maybe there's a youtube video that some stoner computer geek made. And a legend or myth is suddenly gospel.

Sorry that I was windy. I work around marketing bullshit every day.
 
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Yeah Right

Active Member
Hmmmm, we've tried that. But without starting a huge political debate. There's no common sense in ANY plant being illegal. We've declared war on mother nature. BTW.....Happy Earth day.
 
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